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If we were to reboot the Senate as a Baltic nation, what name should the NDP have?

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Corenea
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Postby Corenea » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:59 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Corenea wrote:I have a problem with Hippo or Costa more than I have a problem with Lamaredia or Humansanity mainly because you can actually make good discussions with them and also Costa's old guy was kind of a jerk and Hippo will be the right wing Kam (pre-NDP Kam that is)

I know this might sound silly, but who's Hippo?

Nevanmaa's old nation. Notorious for calling anyone who doesn't agree with him leftist, blamed Nazi bombings on the Senate on Socialists (according to him, the Nazis have Socialists in the name, thus making them socialist)

pretty much the right-wing version of pre-NDP Kam
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:01 pm

Corenea wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:I know this might sound silly, but who's Hippo?

Nevanmaa's old nation. Notorious for calling anyone who doesn't agree with him leftist, blamed Nazi bombings on the Senate on Socialists (according to him, the Nazis have Socialists in the name, thus making them socialist)

pretty much the right-wing version of pre-NDP Kam

Oh, okay.
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Maklohi Vai
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:45 pm

There is important news from the Progress Coalition regarding the upcoming Presidential election and assorted business that needs to be taken care of before it. Please direct yourself to the Coalition thread and read this post: viewtopic.php?p=18257431#p18257431

We get DPM. Anybody who wishes to have the position has two days to announce their candidacy, and then we'll have a two day election. Go ahead.
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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jan 05, 2014 2:59 pm

I'd be interested in DPM.
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Lamaredia
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Postby Lamaredia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:28 pm

Before I announce my intentions, what is the official nature of the DPM office? What work does he/she/they do?
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Ainin
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Postby Ainin » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:15 am

I'm interested in Interior.

(ie can we ask the RGs to swap it for Telecom?)
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:18 am

Geilinor wrote:I'd be interested in DPM.

Your in interested Dirty Pussy Mouth?

Totally disregard this post nothing to see here.
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People Who Say Ni
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Postby People Who Say Ni » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:54 am

I just posted this in the coffee shop. Can anyone from the party offer some criticism?
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:01 am

People Who Say Ni wrote:I just posted this in the coffee shop. Can anyone from the party offer some criticism?

Against!
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Ainin
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Postby Ainin » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:05 am

People Who Say Ni wrote:I just posted this in the coffee shop. Can anyone from the party offer some criticism?

"Convicted criminals are prohibited"

I think that should be revised to:

"Criminals convicted of a felony or violent delict are prohibited"
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Postby Ainin » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:15 am

This is just a random idea that came into my head.

Third Amendment to the National Symbols Act
Reflecting our beautiful unified nation's everlasting fight against nationalist, xenophobic and racist terror organisations that seek to destroy its public peace and stability, the official motto of the Aurentine Commonwealth is changed from "Democratia, Sensibilitate, Libertas" (Democracy, Sensibility, Freedom) to "In varietate concordia" (United in Diversity).

EDIT: This was an awful idea, ignore.
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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:21 am

Ainin wrote:I'm interested in Interior.

(ie can we ask the RGs to swap it for Telecom?)


The Red-Greens are open to swap for telecom.
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Kamchastkia
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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:23 am

Lamaredia wrote:Before I announce my intentions, what is the official nature of the DPM office? What work does he/she/they do?

This ^^^
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Ainin
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Postby Ainin » Mon Jan 06, 2014 4:27 am

Lamaredia wrote:Before I announce my intentions, what is the official nature of the DPM office? What work does he/she/they do?

The job of the DPM is to hope the PM dies so he can take over.

That's essentially it.

It's just a glorified Minister W/O Portfolio.
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Lamaredia
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Jan 06, 2014 1:11 pm

Ainin wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:Before I announce my intentions, what is the official nature of the DPM office? What work does he/she/they do?

The job of the DPM is to hope the PM dies so he can take over.

That's essentially it.

It's just a glorified Minister W/O Portfolio.

Oh... Okay then, I'll run for it.
EDIT: Can I still keep my position as the secretary if I get the DPM?
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Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result

Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result

Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%

Result
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People Who Say Ni
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Postby People Who Say Ni » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:08 pm

What do ministers get the power of doing? Does holding office assist in any way with passing bills - do ministers require less sponsors, for example.
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Maklohi Vai
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:35 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Ainin wrote:The job of the DPM is to hope the PM dies so he can take over.

That's essentially it.

It's just a glorified Minister W/O Portfolio.

Oh... Okay then, I'll run for it.
EDIT: Can I still keep my position as the secretary if I get the DPM?

Well, the new VP would appoint a new PpT, and thereby a new SoS. I don't know about holding both positions at once.

People Who Say Ni wrote:What do ministers get the power of doing? Does holding office assist in any way with passing bills - do ministers require less sponsors, for example.
No, but their bills are more closely viewed and scrutinized, and are also unofficially government policy. Most importantly perhaps, the work of the ministers is used to judge the government as a whole, so you need active people.
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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:04 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:Oh... Okay then, I'll run for it.
EDIT: Can I still keep my position as the secretary if I get the DPM?

Well, the new VP would appoint a new PpT, and thereby a new SoS. I don't know about holding both positions at once.

People Who Say Ni wrote:What do ministers get the power of doing? Does holding office assist in any way with passing bills - do ministers require less sponsors, for example.
No, but their bills are more closely viewed and scrutinized, and are also unofficially government policy. Most importantly perhaps, the work of the ministers is used to judge the government as a whole, so you need active people.


Again (lost count of the number of times) , the PpT can't be removed once in the role by the government. A vote of no confidence for a valid reason or voluntary resignation are the only ways we get a new one. To this day it's only because of resignations we have had new ones.

This because it's supposed to be non-partisan not changed everytime there is a new government.

EDIT: I have no plans to get rid of Lam as secretary.
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Postby Beta Test » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:07 pm

Oh and I could dismiss both of you at will...
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:11 pm

Beta Test wrote:Oh and I could dismiss both of you at will...


*Point's to previous post*
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Postby Beta Test » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:14 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Beta Test wrote:Oh and I could dismiss both of you at will...


*Point's to previous post*

But I could remove you, as I'm the one who appoints you.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:16 pm

Beta Test wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
*Point's to previous post*

But I could remove you, as I'm the one who appoints you.


No you can't that's the point, the bill does not have a clause that allows a PpT to be removed once appointed by the VP by anything other than a vote of no confidence for a valid reason.
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Oneracon
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:46 pm

Unicario wrote:
Ainin wrote:I'm interested in Interior.

(ie can we ask the RGs to swap it for Telecom?)


The Red-Greens are open to swap for telecom.

^ This, I was concerned you weren't going to offer it to us. :lol:
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Maklohi Vai
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:48 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Unicario wrote:
The Red-Greens are open to swap for telecom.

^ This, I was concerned you weren't going to offer it to us. :lol:

So we get Interior, you get Telecom? I'm ok with that.
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Postby Beta Test » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:50 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Beta Test wrote:But I could remove you, as I'm the one who appoints you.


No you can't that's the point, the bill does not have a clause that allows a PpT to be removed once appointed by the VP by anything other than a vote of no confidence for a valid reason.

I shall have that amended accordingly.
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