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Postby Distruzio » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:47 pm

Corenea wrote:
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I didn't suggest the LibCoa was against the State. I specifically stated that they were dismissive of government. That's a very different description, isn't it? Your appeal to their ideal of the proper scale of government only agrees with my statement. And the Blackshirts seek to increase it's scale further than we do. They are lower on the political scale whereas the LibCoa is higher than we.


But what about immigration, economics, personal rights? The Blackshirts are opposite of our idea


As are the libertarians.
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:51 pm

They don't seem to be able to cause too much harm and honestly, I think they can be a great addition to the coalition. The more the merrier of course.
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Postby Corenea » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:52 pm

Distruzio wrote:
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But what about immigration, economics, personal rights? The Blackshirts are opposite of our idea


As are the libertarians.


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Postby Distruzio » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:55 pm

Corenea wrote:
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As are the libertarians.


Screw it, I'm filibustering this if i can


Look, I'm not arguing with you. Not in the slightest. We're having a conversation. If you disagree that's fine. That's no vice.
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Postby New Zepuha » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:02 pm

Gentlemen, after a day of deliberating and reviewing my options. The IASM is my choice for nomination as the PM. I would also like to begin putting together a cabinet, please go to your parties and bring forth candidates.
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Postby Britanno » Wed Sep 11, 2013 11:50 pm

New Zepuha wrote:Gentlemen, after a day of deliberating and reviewing my options. The IASM is my choice for nomination as the PM. I would also like to begin putting together a cabinet, please go to your parties and bring forth candidates.


With all due respect, I thought seen as you picked your Vice the coalition voted on the PM? Now I know this might sound hypocritical, but the coalition does tend to choose these things. I personally think IASM would be able to show off his best abilities in the Interior ministry, and I know he is interested in such a position.
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Postby The IASM » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:08 am

Britanno wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Gentlemen, after a day of deliberating and reviewing my options. The IASM is my choice for nomination as the PM. I would also like to begin putting together a cabinet, please go to your parties and bring forth candidates.


With all due respect, I thought seen as you picked your Vice the coalition voted on the PM? Now I know this might sound hypocritical, but the coalition does tend to choose these things. I personally think IASM would be able to show off his best abilities in the Interior ministry, and I know he is interested in such a position.

I'd still prefer to become the Prime Minister.
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Postby New Zepuha » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:36 am

If you'd like to take a vote on this, go right ahead once you finish your chairman vote. I do not mind, but you all know who I back.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:28 am

I just think that this

Distruzio wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:I will prepare a list of questions.

Do you intend to work with me to select ministers?


Of course and of course.

Your views on the current government?


The current government has proven itself quite conciliatory to all parties of even the most disparate political bents. While I personally do not ascribe to similar opinions I cannot deny that such an approach has proven quite effective at satisfying the public. That, of itself, does not, necessarily, discredit my own personal biases but it does show me that alternatives are just as valid. Which is a particular quality (my willingness to consider opinions and positions on their merits rather than on their deviation from my own) that has, in my experience, proven quite advantageous. If I'm to be considered for any position of influence in the Senate, if I'm to honorably and respectfully represent my constituency, my party, and my nation each, then I must recognize value where it lies. Thus I, while disagreeing with particular actions of this government at times, will never deny my approval of the results.

Your views on foreign policy?


My positions are of an Aurentine-centric perspective. I would, ideally, see our nation more closely aligned with the United Kingdom and her Commonwealth Realms although I do see the benefit of close ties with the nations of the European Union. A just and proper economic and financial policy that emphasizes the preeminence of this governments commitment to her population is, I believe, paramount. Therefore I would not take kindly to legislation that bends the Aurentine economic actors to the whims of foreign nations. Mind you, this is no articulation for autarky. Such is the way to despotism, I am certain. A foreign policy conveying eternal commitment to amicable and reciprocal economic, cultural, and political respect among all nation with which we deal is the clear way to Aurentine prosperity... so long as this government (and any future government) remembers where its loyalty lies - to Aurentina.

Your views on freedom of speech?


Our political opponents will seize upon my own affection for the ideal of monarchism as a way to undermine this coalition through fearmongering. Of that I have no doubt. They will paint us as theocratic, despotic, and nigh totalitarian in our intent. They will challenge the public to consider a skeptical view of government synonymous with adulation for tyrannical government. And my presence on the platform will justify this perception for them... unfortunately, the truth requires distortion for these tactics to hold any legitimacy.

I am a liberal traditionalist, sir. Liberty is the primary virtue of humanity; there can be no other. If we on the right emphasize the preeminent existence of the individual Aurentine then we must, as a necessity, recognize those individuals self-ownership. And we do. With such a recognition central in our coalition manifesto it becomes clear to any but the most belligerently pigheaded that civil liberties are, therefore, obvious and undeniable. Freedom of speech is no right. It is no enigmatic abstract ideal enforced by government. It is fact: as much a fact as the existence of the human being themself.

I say this as a monarchist first and foremost. I cannot - I will not - brook any infringement of free speech. For to do so is to challenge the existence of the individual as a sovereign and independent being. That would be unconscionable to me.

Do you support interventionism?


Military interventionism? No, sir. I would, however, support international ostracism. Any foreign government that proves itself hostile to its population deserves, I think, outright vilification and ostracism. Rather than relying on military intervention or economic sanctions which only punish the poorest and most vulnerable of the foreign population, I would see Aurentina repudiate recognition of the offensive regime outright and forthwith. It is never the population with which a government takes offense - it is ever the other government of that population. Therefore I could not, in good conscience, support any initiatives that bring harm and suffering to the victims of oppressive regimes.

That said, I would, however, support the initiation of foreign medical and nutritional aide stations within the territory of cooperating governments for the harboring of refugees. Aurentina must be seen as a neutral but dependable ally of the citizens of the world rather than a rampaging brute in search of demons to slay.

I would, also, support the military defense of allied nations under the initiated offensive of hostile nations with the expectation that they, likewise, commit to a mutual defense of Aurentina.

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I look forward to any other questions you, or any other senator, might have.[/quote]


beats this.

The IASM wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:Do you intend to work with me to select ministers?

Your views on the current government?

Your views on foreign policy?

Your views on freedom of speech?

Do you support interventionism?

VP mate has already been chosen. But not confirmed by the coalition.

1. Yes.
2. Negative for being incredibly idiotic and over moralistic.
3. We should maintain a realist policy which is deigned to ultimately tactically protect Aurentine interests at a minimal cost to society.
4. We should make sure that people are allowed to speak what they wish however hate speech and revealing classified documents dealt should be illegal.
5. Only in a cost effective manner which is to protect Aurentina's interest.
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Postby The IASM » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:29 am

Fixed.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:33 am

Wtf just happened?
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Postby Belmaria » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:35 am

Britanno wrote:Wtf just happened?

The website has decided to not like you, so it screwed up your thread :p
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Postby The IASM » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:35 am

Belmaria wrote:
Britanno wrote:Wtf just happened?

The website has decided to not like you, so it screwed up your thread :p

Fixed. :p
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Postby Britanno » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:36 am

Belmaria wrote:
Britanno wrote:Wtf just happened?

The website has decided to not like you, so it screwed up your thread :p


*Nods to armed guards*

You were saying?
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Postby Belmaria » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:38 am

Britanno wrote:
Belmaria wrote:The website has decided to not like you, so it screwed up your thread :p


*Nods to armed guards*

You were saying?

I don't think you want to do that. Unless you're blind, you obviously see LCP PPS here beside me. I advise you to call off your men before things get ugly.
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Postby The IASM » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:40 am

Belmaria wrote:
Britanno wrote:
*Nods to armed guards*

You were saying?

I don't think you want to do that. Unless you're blind, you obviously see LCP PPS here beside me. I advise you to call off your men before things get ugly.

*Notices a General Atomics MQ-1 Predator outside*

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Postby Britanno » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:47 am

Belmaria wrote:I don't think you want to do that. Unless you're blind, you obviously see LCP PPS here beside me. I advise you to call off your men before things get ugly.


Do what? I only nodded randomly, it's not like I was giving a signal to my guards or anything.
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Postby Britanno » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:55 am

Voting has been open for a few days, and the final result of the chairman elections are:

Britanno - 6
Finium - 5

Well done to Finium for putting up an excellent fight, but I hope we can all work together. We will install a right wing majority government because we care. The Progress Coalition is hypocritical in its own name, the Communist Party, Socialist Action Party and Red Greens will not give us progress.

I think we should have a vote on the PM candidiate, what do you think?

As well as this, could parties post three ministries they would like in the order they would like them. For example, if a party posted this:

1. Finance
2. Telecommunications
3. Interior

They are saying that they want Finance the most, but also want Telecommunications and Interior.

Due to only one objection from a member of Reform, the Blackshirts are now members. However, if there is suddenly strong opposition to this then the decision can be repealed.
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Postby Corenea » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:18 am

I just don't think fascists and right-wing democracies don't mix
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Postby Britanno » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:20 am

Corenea wrote:I just don't think fascists and right-wing democracies don't mix


While I respect this, I feel that the only way for us to stand united as a side on the spectrum is to accept them. We have a deal with the Libertarians, so if the Blackshirts join then the right stands united.
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Postby Macedonian Grand Empire » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:26 am

As the vice president of reform i will ask all of the parties to put forward requests for ministries that they have a quality members to staff them.In order to have the best chance to have an elected goverment that is capable in place.
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Don't mind me. I'll just be Rand Paul in the Senate protesting then
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Postby Kouralia » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:38 am

[IC] I, as a serving member of an organisation which has fought fascists, and as a retired member of an organisation which has fought fascists, and as a 'Second Class Citizen' wholeheartedly oppose the inclusion of the Aurentine Blackshirt Party.

EDIT: I'm not a second class citizen: I'm to be deported by the ABP. So, I refuse to stand as Vice President or 2nd As. Chairman for them.
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Postby Corenea » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:55 am

Kouralia wrote:[IC] I, as a serving member of an organisation which has fought fascists, and as a retired member of an organisation which has fought fascists, and as a 'Second Class Citizen' wholeheartedly oppose the inclusion of the Aurentine Blackshirt Party.

EDIT: I'm not a second class citizen: I'm to be deported by the ABP. So, I refuse to stand as Vice President or 2nd As. Chairman for them.


An ally. Let us protest the incursion of fascist

All immigrants here please oppose the incursion of fascists
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Postby Belmaria » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:03 am

Corenea wrote:Don't mind me. I'll just be Rand Paul in the Senate protesting then

:lol2: Good analogy
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