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The Gallant Old Republic
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Postby The Gallant Old Republic » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:22 pm

Well I was rather late in responding, I've been busy trying to pull bills through in my home region.

When I say Edmund Burke kind of way I was referring to his well known statement against the French Revolution concerning the Jacobins and other radicals destroying France, not so much in a general sense (should have specified that). By extension I hate the whole of the French Revolution (as did John Adams and many American leaders who believed in a sort of aristocracy of virtue), however this does not extend to the American Revolution. The difference is that the American one (other than the king of England, who, as Churchill once said, was German) was not rebelling against aristocracy which had all but disappeared in the colonies except in the ways that the culture of the Constitution preserved it (just look at pictures of George Washington and he looks like a King, John Adams as before). Perhaps the best example of this is that a monarchy was never out of the question, it famously even being offered to George Washington.
So in short Jacobins= losers/culture killers (I call my phone a Jacobin out of pure hatred and thanks to Russell Kirk's notion of calling cars 'mechanical Jacobins' since they are destroyers of society) and American revolutionaries = same culture as before.

Consequently, I can not be called a High Tory in a pure sense. On one level, like John Adams I believe in aristocracy, but one of virtue just as much as birth. Also, as mentioned, William Cobbett is of large importance as an example (a more Chesertonian one as well, Chesterton felt Cobbett was an excellent representation of England itself) who fought with the established hierarchy purely because it had abandoned true-England of the countryside rather than the factory. Despite being ultimately more 'Kirkian' (which is ultimately based, in my opinion, on the traditions and establishment of American society and is thus effectively the equivalent, albeit different, of English High Toryism) what remains however the same (from the same wikipedia article) is:
-"A High Tory also favours a strong community, in contrast to Whig, liberal and neoconservative individualism."
-"High Tories prefer the values of the historical landed gentry and aristocracy, with their noblesse oblige and their self-imposed sense of duty and responsibility, to those of the modern commercial business class. Their focus is on maintaining a traditional, rooted society and way of life, which is often as much threatened by modern capitalism as by state socialism."
-Thus: "A "High Tory" bears some resemblance to traditionalist conservatives in the United States."

Since that likely didn't run smoothly: Basically, there are many differences between England's traditionalist conservatives and America's, however, rather than being separate movements I find that each is based on his own nation's traditions and society and thus are the same thing in different manifestations with goal based on nearly the same premises. I too, for instance, along with Russell Kirk hate neo-conservative viewpoints and economics (especially free trade). This is naturally ironic, Kirk being one of the founders of the American conservative movement was often invited to neoconservative conferences where he insulted the very people who claimed him as their forefather, though in a nice way.
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New Bierstaat
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Postby New Bierstaat » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:08 pm

Some time ago, I was told that Distruzio needed time to respond to concerns about his activity. I feel it's been enough time now (he has not logged into NS for 7 days, and hadn't done anything in the Senate for nearly a week before that) that it's time to at least start thinking about alternatives. If I win reelection, I will not nominate him for PM if he does not post in a Senate thread between now and the end of the presidential election.

If a replacement is necessary, the CMP will have the first chance to fill the vacancy. I'd like to officially propose Dangelia for the job. Dangelia has been reliably active throughout my time as president.

If nobody from the CMP is interested in the PM job, then another party will give the CMP appropriate ministry concessions in exchange for the prime ministership.
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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:45 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:Some time ago, I was told that Distruzio needed time to respond to concerns about his activity. I feel it's been enough time now (he has not logged into NS for 7 days, and hadn't done anything in the Senate for nearly a week before that) that it's time to at least start thinking about alternatives. If I win reelection, I will not nominate him for PM if he does not post in a Senate thread between now and the end of the presidential election.

If a replacement is necessary, the CMP will have the first chance to fill the vacancy. I'd like to officially propose Dangelia for the job. Dangelia has been reliably active throughout my time as president.

If nobody from the CMP is interested in the PM job, then another party will give the CMP appropriate ministry concessions in exchange for the prime ministership.


Dangelia would make a fine Prime Minister. Though, I would prefer Distruzio.

Dangelia, how would you react to such a notion of you being appointed PM?
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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:49 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:Some time ago, I was told that Distruzio needed time to respond to concerns about his activity. I feel it's been enough time now (he has not logged into NS for 7 days, and hadn't done anything in the Senate for nearly a week before that) that it's time to at least start thinking about alternatives. If I win reelection, I will not nominate him for PM if he does not post in a Senate thread between now and the end of the presidential election.

If a replacement is necessary, the CMP will have the first chance to fill the vacancy. I'd like to officially propose Dangelia for the job. Dangelia has been reliably active throughout my time as president.

If nobody from the CMP is interested in the PM job, then another party will give the CMP appropriate ministry concessions in exchange for the prime ministership.


Dangelia would make a fine Prime Minister. Though, I would prefer Distruzio.

Dangelia, how would you react to such a notion of you being appointed PM?

I agree with you. I prefer Distruzio. But, if I'm appointed I'll do it. *thumbs up* :D

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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:57 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia would make a fine Prime Minister. Though, I would prefer Distruzio.

Dangelia, how would you react to such a notion of you being appointed PM?

I agree with you. I prefer Distruzio. But, if I'm appointed I'll do it. *thumbs up* :D


Is your senator Orthodox?
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Postby Dangelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:58 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote:I agree with you. I prefer Distruzio. But, if I'm appointed I'll do it. *thumbs up* :D


Is your senator Orthodox?

Yeah. Why does that matter?

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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:02 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
Is your senator Orthodox?

Yeah. Why does that matter?


I am less likely to support an Orthodox than a Catholic.
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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:03 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote:Yeah. Why does that matter?


I am less likely to support an Orthodox than a Catholic.

Distruzio is orthodox. I don't get the logic.

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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:21 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
I am less likely to support an Orthodox than a Catholic.

Distruzio is orthodox. I don't get the logic.


He is quite sympathetic to the Church, however. I have not found you to be so sympathetic.
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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:24 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote:Distruzio is orthodox. I don't get the logic.


He is quite sympathetic to the Church, however. I have not found you to be so sympathetic.

What do you mean?

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Postby Nuverikstan » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:28 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote:Distruzio is orthodox. I don't get the logic.


He is quite sympathetic to the Church, however. I have not found you to be so sympathetic.


When was the last time he was trying to knock you down. I am Baptist by the way so you know I am not biased.
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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:45 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
He is quite sympathetic to the Church, however. I have not found you to be so sympathetic.

What do you mean?


Distruzio appears to be not only open to, but in favor of, the Catholic approach to morality that is present, seemingly, in the core of the party. I have not noticed you to harbor the same favor.
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I am a Catholic Seminarian, faithful to the Magisterium of Holy Mother Church, discerning a vocation to the Priesthood

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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:46 pm

Nuverikstan wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
He is quite sympathetic to the Church, however. I have not found you to be so sympathetic.


When was the last time he was trying to knock you down. I am Baptist by the way so you know I am not biased.


I never said he did. I'm not sure how you want me to answer.
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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:50 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote:What do you mean?


Distruzio appears to be not only open to, but in favor of, the Catholic approach to morality that is present, seemingly, in the core of the party. I have not noticed you to harbor the same favor.

:rofl: Oh, you're funny!


Of course I'm in favor to the Catholic approach to morality. I'm a distributist (although, I'm still learning about it).

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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:55 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
Distruzio appears to be not only open to, but in favor of, the Catholic approach to morality that is present, seemingly, in the core of the party. I have not noticed you to harbor the same favor.

:rofl: Oh, you're funny!


Of course I'm in favor to the Catholic approach to morality. I'm a distributist (although, I'm still learning about it).


Furthermore, I don't think it prudent for you to continue heralding the "Stoned Party" in your signature if you were to represent the CMP as Prime Minister.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:58 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote: :rofl: Oh, you're funny!


Of course I'm in favor to the Catholic approach to morality. I'm a distributist (although, I'm still learning about it).


Furthermore, I don't think it prudent for you to continue heralding the "Stoned Party" in your signature if you were to represent the CMP as Prime Minister.

I'd concur with this as President and from the NFC's standpoint as well.
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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:59 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote: :rofl: Oh, you're funny!


Of course I'm in favor to the Catholic approach to morality. I'm a distributist (although, I'm still learning about it).


Furthermore, I don't think it prudent for you to continue heralding the "Stoned Party" in your signature if you were to represent the CMP as Prime Minister.

Oh come on. The Stoned Party is just a joke. It's not meant to be taken seriously. It shouldn't be taken into consideration.

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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:01 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Dangelia wrote: :rofl: Oh, you're funny!


Of course I'm in favor to the Catholic approach to morality. I'm a distributist (although, I'm still learning about it).


Furthermore, I don't think it prudent for you to continue heralding the "Stoned Party" in your signature if you were to represent the CMP as Prime Minister.


As a Monarchist an ex member I find it offensive that you don't think it prudent to make jokes. Indeed I am from the Incredibly Strong Aurentine Gorilla Party and Proud Sir.

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Postby Nuverikstan » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:01 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:
When was the last time he was trying to knock you down. I am Baptist by the way so you know I am not biased.


I never said he did. I'm not sure how you want me to answer.

I mean knock down your denomination.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:02 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
Furthermore, I don't think it prudent for you to continue heralding the "Stoned Party" in your signature if you were to represent the CMP as Prime Minister.

I'd concur with this as President and from the NFC's standpoint as well.


How many bones have you got in your body Mr President?
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Grand Longueville
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:02 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
Furthermore, I don't think it prudent for you to continue heralding the "Stoned Party" in your signature if you were to represent the CMP as Prime Minister.

Oh come on. The Stoned Party is just a joke. It's not meant to be taken seriously. It shouldn't be taken into consideration.


I think it makes a joke out of anything you affiliate yourself with. I will submit to the ruling of the Lord President, but I feel it is in poor taste.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:06 pm

Nuverikstan wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
I never said he did. I'm not sure how you want me to answer.

I mean knock down your denomination.


I never said he did. I wasn't protesting what he did, but what he didn't do; in this case, publicly push for a Catholic moral standpoint.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:07 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:I'd concur with this as President and from the NFC's standpoint as well.


How many bones have you got in your body Mr President?

206. Why?
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:08 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:I mean knock down your denomination.


I never said he did. I wasn't protesting what he did, but what he didn't do; in this case, publicly push for a Catholic moral standpoint.

Why Catholic morality? Why not just morality? Push for the 10 commandments why do we have to push for the Catholic version?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:09 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
How many bones have you got in your body Mr President?

206. Why?


Well you appear to be missing one..........
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