The Classical Monarchist Party: Official HQ [NSG Senate]

[The Nihilistic view]

This is the lay of the lay of the land, you have been gone for a while and then very inactive in the month you have been back. Now you are back in a rather short process have become chairman and not just chairman but it has been decided you should be PM as well. I know of several other senators who expressed interest the last week that you had not been posting. Dangelia for one, senators who have put in the hard graft whilst you have been gone. Served this party well and you swan in here grab the PMship and then appoint a load of other senators who have been very inactive to the posts whilst casting aside those who have done much work over the preceding 3-4 months. Of course this reminds me of those early senate days with gross over exaggeration and misrepresentations of others.

As for this stawmanning of my position, I don't see why I should have to vote at the time for somebody who despite being on for a couple of hours could not be bothered to vote for NB. As This was latter confirmed in a post to OT it is not about party or ideology but purely about having a PM who could be bothered to vote for us. Why you wish to take it to issues that are not even there beats me. Instead you come with a triad of speeches for arguments that have not been raised and the such like. The senate is not like that anymore, and I hope he realises it soon. This is not the senate of April June and July, and all the better for it. Perhaps taking time to acclimatize would be a good idea?

I also found many parts amusing. I mean what bluff would that be Sir? stating I would not vote for a PM who had not voted of us? Though if it was a bluff you would have fallen for it as you voted. I found it funny that you assert that a former member and monarchist finds this party an unnecessary partner. If you had been around you would know I was at the forefront of calling for the CMP to be included. I only laugh as to save myself from crying.

Maybe this shows you lack the required knowledge and experience of the senate as it is now for the PMship this time around but at no point did I say I was opposed to you as PM provided you voted for NB.

Now as for this supposed warning and threat to break said coalition the words I uttered were thus "I'm a little confused as to why after such a long hiatus you decide to disregard what the rest of the coalition has agreed with regards to business safety" Now if that constitutes a warning and a threat as opposed to a simple question maybe we already live in this "1000 year lefty-liberal Reich" Irredendo has been harping on about and perhaps he is the instigator? As to what the coalition agreed, Maryginia was to be business safety minister and has been penciled in to our current cabinet make for appointment. This due to his appointment requiring a trade of ministries, but it was oked by all parties involved including the CMP. Personally, removing him would I believe feel to him like a betrayal. But again I should probably excuse Irredento as the type of behavior, hype and over exaggeration he has just displayed were commonplace last time he was active in the senate in June-July. Though he should note that it is not common now.

[Irredento]

TNV has once threatened to break our alliance if I become Chairman and he has also issued a warning that I had best not dare change any cabinet members.

This sort of attitude bothers me and makes me feel as though at least he thinks of the CMP as some sort of unnecessary partner who should acquiesce to demands from outside the Party. I feel that it's in our best interests to call his bluff on this one.

Once things are actually finalised, only then will we begin discussing my cabinet picks with the coalition. Let us get our house in order and then we can negotiate. I'd prefer that the threats and warnings cease until then at the very least.

Nihil has no authority to break any alliances involving the CMP, and his threats are neither backed by NFC leadership nor by me as president, nor are they representative of NFC positions.

The decisions you make for CMP cabinet picks have nothing to do with the NFC. They are yours alone (the CMP) to make. Just like you couldn't go telling Reform who to pick DPM.

And for the record, I appreciate the CMP's contributions to the NFC, not the least of which was Distruzio's tenure as PM before he went inactive.

As long as you have a PM pick from within the CMP within a couple of days after the election (if I win), everything will be fine. Just try to pick someone who will get confirmed, please.

This is incredibly reassuring, thank you.

Regardless of how much personal authority or influence Nihil might hold among his fellow libertarians, it's never a good idea to start issuing warnings and demands to one's closest political allies just after a change of leadership since there's no way of knowing how such a gamble will turn out. I know that I have the respect of my fellow Party members even if TNV is not very familiar with me and the CMP are a tightknit group. It's probably a good idea to keep this in mind in future.

As I said before, I can do compromise and I know I can make this coalition work for us all. Back in my time as Chairman the first time around, I built and maintained a strong alliance with a party with whom we didn't entirely see eye-to-eye and I feel that we have far more in common with the libertarians overall as we did with them.

So long as the CMP is treated with respect and fairness, you shall have my respect and full support in turn. I look forward to working with you, sir.

[The Nihilistic view]

Nihil has no authority to break any alliances involving the CMP, and his threats are neither backed by NFC leadership nor by me as president, nor are they representative of NFC positions.

The decisions you make for CMP cabinet picks have nothing to do with the NFC. They are yours alone (the CMP) to make. Just like you couldn't go telling Reform who to pick DPM.

And for the record, I appreciate the CMP's contributions to the NFC, not the least of which was Distruzio's tenure as PM before he went inactive.

As long as you have a PM pick from within the CMP within a couple of days after the election (if I win), everything will be fine. Just try to pick someone who will get confirmed, please.

This is incredibly reassuring, thank you.

Regardless of how much personal authority or influence Nihil might hold among his fellow libertarians, it's never a good idea to start issuing warnings and demands to one's closest political allies just after a change of leadership since there's no way of knowing how such a gamble will turn out. I know that I have the respect of my fellow Party members even if TNV is not very familiar with me and the CMP are a tightknit group. It's probably a good idea to keep this in mind in future.

As I said before, I can do compromise and I know I can make this coalition work for us all. Back in my time as Chairman the first time around, I built and maintained a strong alliance with a party with whom we didn't entirely see eye-to-eye and I feel that we have far more in common with the libertarians overall as we did with them.

So long as the CMP is treated with respect and fairness, you shall have my respect and full support in turn. I look forward to working with you, sir.

*Point's to above post*

I tried to warn you, I suppose I shall have to call your bluff. You sir are a lair, and to borrow your own phrase if you will allow me the liberty of changing a few words? it's never a good idea to start issuing lies about one's closest political allies just after a change of leadership since there's no way of knowing how such a gamble will turn out. I might also add maybe you should show this fairness you speak of to members of your party who have worked bloody hard for your party in your very long absence.

[New Bierstaat]

Nihil has no authority to break any alliances involving the CMP, and his threats are neither backed by NFC leadership nor by me as president, nor are they representative of NFC positions.

The decisions you make for CMP cabinet picks have nothing to do with the NFC. They are yours alone (the CMP) to make. Just like you couldn't go telling Reform who to pick DPM.

And for the record, I appreciate the CMP's contributions to the NFC, not the least of which was Distruzio's tenure as PM before he went inactive.

As long as you have a PM pick from within the CMP within a couple of days after the election (if I win), everything will be fine. Just try to pick someone who will get confirmed, please.

This is incredibly reassuring, thank you.

Regardless of how much personal authority or influence Nihil might hold among his fellow libertarians, it's never a good idea to start issuing warnings and demands to one's closest political allies just after a change of leadership since there's no way of knowing how such a gamble will turn out. I know that I have the respect of my fellow Party members even if TNV is not very familiar with me and the CMP are a tightknit group. It's probably a good idea to keep this in mind in future.

As I said before, I can do compromise and I know I can make this coalition work for us all. Back in my time as Chairman the first time around, I built and maintained a strong alliance with a party with whom we didn't entirely see eye-to-eye and I feel that we have far more in common with the libertarians overall as we did with them.

So long as the CMP is treated with respect and fairness, you shall have my respect and full support in turn. I look forward to working with you, sir.

As long as I am chief executive, the CMP will hold a prominent position in the Aurentine government.

I do ask, though, that if you do become PM, you do your best to be an active member of the government, being head of government and all. There will be times when ministerial changes are in order, and I don't have the authority to make them. Distruzio's absence made day-to-day operations difficult.

I also must concur with Nihil in that the Senate is quite different than it was last summer: less like NSG and more like a Senate. Breaking decorum is more frowned upon than ever before.

Anyways, you've got my side of things. Up to you what you want to do.

[Irredento]

*snip*

Please just cut it out, alright? It's clear you have some issue with me but just drop it, alright?

Who is and is not appointed to what positions in the CMP is up to the CMP. I am open to listening to the Lord President and my fellow Party members but I will not be bullied by you.

You're mentioning all these different people and trying to run a party of which you aren't even a member. Dangelia in particular is someone with whom I'm quite friendly.

Finally, the fact that you're still using those few months of inactivity against me is really kind of sick considering how I told you the very personal and distressing reasons for that absence. If you're going to be like that, then please, just don't talk to me. That's just not okay, man. Not even slightly. Just don't talk to me, alright? I would appreciate that a lot.

[The Liberated Territories]

I thought Nihil was more of a modern liberal, not a libertarian...

Neither do I appreciate the fact that one person somehow makes us all guilty via association.

True, it was a libertarian revolution that brought down the French monarchy, and I cannot say that the intellectual inheritors of the early new Whigs and the inheritors of traditional enlightened despotian monarchism (if my labels are correct) can always get along, but at least continue a truce against a greater threat is perhaps crucial, and I am not the one to break a contract, even a political one. Thus I offer mutual assistance without accepting anything more than needed.

[Irredento]

As long as I am chief executive, the CMP will hold a prominent position in the Aurentine government.

I do ask, though, that if you do become PM, you do your best to be an active member of the government, being head of government and all.

I've always been one of the most active members of the CMP and I don't foresee this changing any time soon.

In fact, I'm just going to give you guys the scoop on what's actually up with me right now...

The only time I was absent was due to being the fulltime carer for my 88 year old bedridden grandmother who I have to feed and change several times a day. I didn't want to mention this in public because it's obviously a very private matter but the way Nihil is using it against me is too much. He already knows full well about my situation as I already told him and yet still goes on about how I didn't "put in hard graft" because I was gone during that time. So yeah, it's absolutely no one's business, but I kind of had to say, just so people understand why I'm getting so upset when he consistently criticises me for my "inactivity" during that time. It's just sick and not okay. There's not much that I can't deal with but he's going way too far here.

I also must concur with Nihil in that the Senate is quite different than it was last summer: less like NSG and more like a Senate. Breaking decorum is more frowned upon than ever before.

Don't worry about this. I'm quite cordial and friendly even if I am known to joke around sometimes. I'm never aggressive without being provoked in a big way.

[New Bierstaat]

Irredento: I only posted it because those are things I would ask of any PM.

I think you'll do fine. No worries.

[Dangelia]

Hey, is there anyway I an get more involved in the next administration other than just being a senator or minister.

[The Nihilistic view]

*snip*

Please just cut it out, alright? It's clear you have some issue with me but just drop it, alright?

Who is and is not appointed to what positions in the CMP is up to the CMP. I am open to listening to the Lord President and my fellow Party members but I will not be bullied by you.

You're mentioning all these different people and trying to run a party of which you aren't even a member. Dangelia in particular is someone with whom I'm quite friendly.

Finally, the fact that you're still using those few months of inactivity against me is really kind of sick considering how I told you the very personal and distressing reasons for that absence. If you're going to be like that, then please, just don't talk to me. That's just not okay, man. Not even slightly. Just don't talk to me, alright? I would appreciate that a lot.

#Learn2OOC/IC

But moving on why would I not have an issue with a senator who enjoys lying? And continues to do so even after I posted the exact text of what I said to you on business safety appointment and confirmed at that same time the only reason I was opposed to you was due to you having not voted yet but still claiming the nomination.


We had a conversation at the time a few months back when we talked about it and I said what I said then from the heart. Now you really do have to learn the OOC/IC difference. Whatever you OOC reason your IC senator has been missing in action for months, and that has to be ICly acknowledged and thus IC this is an issue that has to be addressed. You can't just ICly act as if you were here all the time. I am sorry if you mixed up OOC and IC but I reiterate what I said to you in November on the matter by TG is my OOC position. What goes down here is purely IC.

[Irredento]

#Learn2OOC/IC

But moving on why would I not have an issue with a senator who enjoys lying? And continues to do so even after I posted the exact text of what I said to you on business safety appointment and confirmed at that same time the only reason I was opposed to you was due to you having not voted yet but still claiming the nomination.


We had a conversation at the time a few months back when we talked about it and I said what I said then from the heart. Now you really do have to learn the OOC/IC difference. Whatever you OOC reason your IC senator has been missing in action for months, and that has to be ICly acknowledged and thus IC this is an issue that has to be addressed. You can't just ICly act as if you were here all the time. I am sorry if you mixed up OOC and IC but I reiterate what I said to you in November on the matter by TG is my OOC position. What goes down here is purely IC.

You have done almost nothing but criticise me today for being busy in real life, both in the short term like when I left before getting around to voting earlier today, and in the long term, accusing me of "swanning in here and grabbing the PMship from more worthy people". These criticisms are based on how I have spent my time in real life and the worst part is that you already know why these absences happened and yet you insist on questioning me on the issue regardless. After the point where I telegramed you about this stuff again today, you should probably have considered that maybe, just maybe, you had gone too far, but you still didn't drop it.

If you wish to criticise me IC, then criticise my policies or my political stances or, hell, even my suggested appointments to the cabinet, that part was fine by me and our disagreements were purely IC at that point, but you have been utterly disrespectful about an IRL situation you know full well about and I cannot comprehend how you don't realise this. Don't post about how I am unworthy of leading a Party of which you are not even a member with your reason being that I left to go do things IRL earlier than planned. I'm not going to come up with a completely original story for where my Senator has been whenever I go afk. When I make it clear that I have been absent for a few months for "deeply personal reasons", you shouldn't keep harping on about it and criticising me for it, especially when you know the very real OOC reason that anyone in their right mind wouldn't feel like making up stories about and for that matter I don't think anyone else would be so base as to keep questioning me on where I've been, IC or OOC, considering the circumstances. If not wanting to come up with an excuse disqualifies me from the Senate then so be it but I came here for fun, albeit nerdy political fun, but fun all the same. I'd just rather not discuss some things and I would think this perfectly understandable in most eyes.

[The Nihilistic view]

OOC: I think it's a shame that you can't understand the difference between OOC/IC and that based on this you chose your present course of action all the while you criticize someone for being more inactive when they have been more active than yourself. So You in fact started this whole inactivity thing ICly. If you don't want to be criticized for it don't accuse somebody else of being inactive. I would say that is quite a simple rule of life. All you have to say is your senator took a sabbatical it's not exactly hard nor does it require any thinking.

But no instead you merge OOC and IC and then attack me based on a lie. Still despite making it abundantly clear the difference you are unable to or maybe for reasons of trying to make be look bad unwilling to accept you got this basic RP tenant wrong. And still are posting as if your RL problems exist in our fictional nation. They don't, as I have said twice already when we TGed about it a while ago you got my OOC perspective on the situation you faced, and that is the truth. Now if you are unable or maybe unwilling to separate the two situations and understand how OOC somebody can be sympathetic and understanding. Yet ICly have a problem with your IC comment's about the job another senator has been doing when ICly you have been worse then maybe the senate just is not the place for you.

But, I believe it is the place for you, I based on before it would be great to have you around. If you can realise the difference between the two or even just understand, I don't have a single problem forgetting about anything you have said. I can understand how you may be rusty at that kind of thing or not realise how that works round here at the moment but you have to know it was pure IC. You don't have to take it so personally, you have to know to emotionally detach from the IC as that is just role play. Nothing more. Now we were good friends before OOly and for me nothing changed just please realise the difference so we can move on. Get back to the repore we enjoyed all those months ago. If I knew you did not really get the difference I would not RPed so much on it. Why would I OOCly want to upset an old friend especially because as you know from our TG's before my own experience in such a matter?

Take it at face value, there is no hidden meaning nor agenda one can be friends OOCly yet have political differences or issues IC.

[Old Tyrannia]

If everyone has quite finished with their fifty-cents, I believe that the matter is now closed. The once and, barring a radical and unexpected turn in the election, future President has stated he is happy to appoint Irredento as Prime Minister of Aurentina. Both Irredento and Celritannia are happy with the latter taking the position of Deputy Chairman, an appointment I am happy to confirm. I remain of the firm opinion that Maryginia, and not GOR, should be appointed to the Business Safety position with all due respect and no ill will to the latter, but it is the Chairman's prerogative. And Nihilistic View is hereby barred from our party headquarters for causing an entirely unnecessary ruckus and behaving most discourteously towards the Party hierarchy.

To paraphrase St. Augustine, Tyrannia locuta est. Causa finita est.

[Irredento]

I'm glad all that's over and we can finally get back to business. I was still open to holding an election to decide on the new Chairman as it didn't feel quite right to assume the position unelected. However, now that Celritannia, seemingly the only other candidate, has decided to accept my offer of the Deputy Chairman position, I feel less hesitation to carry out my duty, especially considering how in the past I have always afforded the Deputy Chairman just about as much power as myself, with them having the utmost influence over me. If there are any other potential candidates, I would of course be willing to run against them, but at the same time it would be best not to get bogged down in an endless debate over leadership. If anything, the fact that I am essentially unelected will keep me in check and listening to the opinion of the Party above my own more than ever, just as a King is more apt to act in a just manner than an elected leader. Nobless oblige and all that.

Finally, having had some time to think about it, and in the interests of fairness, I've decided that Maryginia should in fact carry on in his capacity as Business Safety Minister, if he is indeed active enough to do this. In the event that he cannot in the near future, only then will I consider GOR to have inherited the position.

I trust this is alright with everyone?

[Wolfmanne]

Welcome back Irredento. It's... interesting to see you back.

[Irredento]

Welcome back Irredento. It's... interesting to see you back.

Thank you. I had my reasons for being absent and it's good to be back.

[Celritannia]

I'm glad all that's over and we can finally get back to business. I was still open to holding an election to decide on the new Chairman as it didn't feel quite right to assume the position unelected. However, now that Celritannia, seemingly the only other candidate, has decided to accept my offer of the Deputy Chairman position, I feel less hesitation to carry out my duty, especially considering how in the past I have always afforded the Deputy Chairman just about as much power as myself, with them having the utmost influence over me. If there are any other potential candidates, I would of course be willing to run against them, but at the same time it would be best not to get bogged down in an endless debate over leadership. If anything, the fact that I am essentially unelected will keep me in check and listening to the opinion of the Party above my own more than ever, just as a King is more apt to act in a just manner than an elected leader. Nobless oblige and all that.

Finally, having had some time to think about it, and in the interests of fairness, I've decided that Maryginia should in fact carry on in his capacity as Business Safety Minister, if he is indeed active enough to do this. In the event that he cannot in the near future, only then will I consider GOR to have inherited the position.

I trust this is alright with everyone?

Not to mention, an equal but opposite. While you are a hightory, I am a liberal, our opinions and view on matters may differ, but it allows an insight to different voices. Not only that, as a traditionalist, you have the ears of the conservatives. As a liberal, I am able to hear the voices of the libertarians of the party. Perhaps possibly establish ties with certain members of more liberal parties outside of our coalition.

It is no different to a US presidential campaign, the Presidential candidates usually chose a VP candidate opposite to themselves.

[Irredento]

Not to mention, an equal but opposite. While you are a hightory, I am a liberal, our opinions and view on matters may differ, but it allows an insight to different voices. Not only that, as a traditionalist, you have the ears of the conservatives. As a liberal, I am able to hear the voices of the libertarians of the party. Perhaps possibly establish ties with certain members of more liberal parties outside of our coalition.

It is no different to a US presidential campaign, the Presidential candidates usually chose a VP candidate opposite to themselves.

Agreed. What I particularly like about having you as Deputy Chairman is not only that you can keep the balance but also that you seem like someone I can get on with quite well despite our political differences. At the end of the day, we are both committed monarchists with our eyes on a higher prize than the petty political arguments of the day and I feel that I will almost certainly need you to stop me from getting caught up in smaller issues and remind me of this every once in a while.

Also, I must admit that your flag played a part in me being so open to having you work alongside me as soon as you made the offer. A Kaiser Reinhard fan can definitely work together with a Lelouch vi Britannia fan. We can do great things for this party, you and I, of this I am certain.

As soon as this Presidential election business and any order of government is out of the way, I propose that we go on a bit of a recruitment drive, both inside the Senate and out, inviting friends and people from other RPs and so on to join us. The CMP needs an injection of fresh blood if we are to survive and it is the duty of all loyal men here to harvest it.

Deo, Regi, Patriae!

[Phalnia]

As soon as this Presidential election business and any order of government is out of the way, I propose that we go on a bit of a recruitment drive, both inside the Senate and out, inviting friends and people from other RPs and so on to join us. The CMP needs an injection of fresh blood if we are to survive and it is the duty of all loyal men here to harvest it.

Deo, Regi, Patriae!

Well this seems like an appropriate time to announce my return to the Senate and NS as a whole. I would first like to apologize for my absence, unfortunately there were unavoidable events that kept me away. Secondly, I would like to congratulate Divitaen for his win in the past election for MoE. So, what's been happening since November?

[Divitaen]

As soon as this Presidential election business and any order of government is out of the way, I propose that we go on a bit of a recruitment drive, both inside the Senate and out, inviting friends and people from other RPs and so on to join us. The CMP needs an injection of fresh blood if we are to survive and it is the duty of all loyal men here to harvest it.

Deo, Regi, Patriae!

Well this seems like an appropriate time to announce my return to the Senate and NS as a whole. I would first like to apologize for my absence, unfortunately there were unavoidable events that kept me away. Secondly, I would like to congratulate Divitaen for his win in the past election for MoE. So, what's been happening since November?

Thanks for the congratulations. You may also like to know that due to my upcoming IB exams, I won't be running for any executive positions for a long while, so it seems quite coincidental that you would mention it about now. Anyway, the most significant event so far would be the presidential elections, and it seems like the NFC is going to retake the government once again, so yay us.

[Irredento]

As soon as this Presidential election business and any order of government is out of the way, I propose that we go on a bit of a recruitment drive, both inside the Senate and out, inviting friends and people from other RPs and so on to join us. The CMP needs an injection of fresh blood if we are to survive and it is the duty of all loyal men here to harvest it.

Deo, Regi, Patriae!

Well this seems like an appropriate time to announce my return to the Senate and NS as a whole. I would first like to apologize for my absence, unfortunately there were unavoidable events that kept me away. Secondly, I would like to congratulate Divitaen for his win in the past election for MoE. So, what's been happening since November?

It's great to have you back.

As someone who has been in a similar situation, I have nothing but sympathy for those who are kept busy with real life goings on.

I hope to see much more of you from now on. Our Party is in need of much more activity after all.

[Old Tyrannia]

As soon as this Presidential election business and any order of government is out of the way, I propose that we go on a bit of a recruitment drive, both inside the Senate and out, inviting friends and people from other RPs and so on to join us. The CMP needs an injection of fresh blood if we are to survive and it is the duty of all loyal men here to harvest it.

Deo, Regi, Patriae!

Well this seems like an appropriate time to announce my return to the Senate and NS as a whole. I would first like to apologize for my absence, unfortunately there were unavoidable events that kept me away. Secondly, I would like to congratulate Divitaen for his win in the past election for MoE. So, what's been happening since November?

Phalnia, if you are still interested in the Environment Ministry since I am to be appointed Minister of the Environment when Irredento is confirmed as Prime Minister, I would like to appoint you as Deputy Minister of the Environment. I could do with an extra pair of hands to help write bills.

[Irredento]

Well this seems like an appropriate time to announce my return to the Senate and NS as a whole. I would first like to apologize for my absence, unfortunately there were unavoidable events that kept me away. Secondly, I would like to congratulate Divitaen for his win in the past election for MoE. So, what's been happening since November?

Phalnia, if you are still interested in the Environment Ministry since I am to be appointed Minister of the Environment when Irredento is confirmed as Prime Minister, I would like to appoint you as Deputy Minister of the Environment. I could do with an extra pair of hands to help write bills.

This is a fine idea, Lord President. The more we can have actively playing a leading role in the Party and government, the better, especially since doing this has the potential to make the problems that accompany inactivity things of the past.

If anyone else I've appointed to the cabinet wishes to take on a Deputy of their own both to help them make fair decisions and, more importantly, to take over from them when they are absent, arrange things with them and then let us all know of your choice in this thread.

While it's not mandatory to do this by any means, I highly recommend it, as it would be invaluable in the times you are absent during important events in the Senate. Please consider all of this, cavaliers*.



*I accidentally wrote "comrades" at first and I now feel like I need to take a shower to get all this red off

[Phalnia]

Thank you all for the warm welcome. Best of luck to Divitaen in your upcoming exams. And I would be proud to serve as Deputy Minister of the Environment. After I've gone over the new legislation passed in my absence, I'll see if any ideas come to mind and share them.

[Dangelia]

You know the previous kings of Aurentina? What if we were to draw down the lineage of those kings and their family and find the current prince?