The Classical Monarchist Party: Official HQ [NSG Senate]

[Grand Longueville]

Sir, are you suggesting that the NFC break its electoral pact with the CMP, effectively, expel the CMP from the Coalition?

That is totally out of line. Irredento had his reasons for his long absence, and responsibly resigned from his posts before leaving. Since returning he has been more than sufficiently active. Maryginia is indeed generally quite active, and I do believe Irredento's comments were unfair although I believe they were prompted by misconception rather than any ill will. However the fact is he has been absent for the last 36 hours in which nominations for the chairman's position have taken place, and President Schmidt specifically asked us to select a Prime Minister as quickly as possible. I have only done so through the established protocol for choosing new leaders of the Party.

You assume that Irredento has not voted yet because he does not plan to. I am sure he will do so in good time, especially as I now request as Lord President that he does so.

However, I suggest that since the CMP has been promised the Premiership by the President, in the event that Irredento fails to be confirmed by the Senate as Prime Minister I should be second choice, since I am clearly active and cannot be accused of wasting any time in voting for Tom Schmidt as President. And if I become Prime Minister, I assure you I will not look kindly on anyone who rejected my CMP compatriot.

That is a total strawmaning of my point. I never said anywhere that it should not be a CMP candidate, but that it should not be a candidate that has not voted yet has been online and failed to vote yet expects and has had the time to argue a case to be your PM candidate.

And so you would think that would make him understanding to those who have not been online for a mere two day's wouldn't you? But it seem's not. If you believe it unfair, why not raise it at the time?

Again, if we dispense with the straw for a minute, I don't believe those failing to get out and vote should get a seat. Though threatening those how take a principled stand does not really indicate to me that you are the right candidate for PM in that event. But your party has several others who either have voted or have not been online that would make much better Pm's, people that don't silence opposition with threats. You know making threats on a misrepresentation of another's position is never a good idea.

As you say, you were promised the PM position but as you also know you were promised this in return for your votes. If' you fill you positions with people who did not vote, clearly you would not be fully holding up your side of the coalition agreement.

I suggest you stop rocking the boat lad.

[The Nihilistic view]

You can't steal that I own it!

*Looks at the door to the Minister of the Interior's Office*
"Alfred Wintle... Nope, don;t see your name on it anywhere."

*A stocky Janitor with a mop of blonde hair comes along and removes the plaque and replaces it with a sign*

"T.B.A"

[Celritannia]

If the Coalition members still wish to see a more active member of their government selection, I would gladly bite the bullet and nominate myself as the CMP chairman, including the cabinet position of PM. However, this is all with the permission of the Lord President, which I have the up most respect for, and require his advice in any and all matter relating to either the CMP or the cabinet.

[Beta Test]

*Looks at the door to the Minister of the Interior's Office*
"Alfred Wintle... Nope, don;t see your name on it anywhere."

*A stocky Janitor with a mop of blonde hair comes along and removes the plaque and replaces it with a sign*

"T.B.A"

*scrawls Rupert Weinthal on door with permanent marker*

But seriously, there is an obligation to vote for the Coalition if you expect to receive a ministry for yourself.

[The Nihilistic view]

If the Coalition members still wish to see a more active member of their government selection, I would gladly bite the bullet and nominate myself as the CMP chairman, including the cabinet position of PM. However, this is all with the permission of the Lord President, which I have the up most respect for, and require his advice in any and all matter relating to either the CMP or the cabinet.

Yes,

You
Maryginia
Divitaen- though he is going to be more inactive he said.
Dangelia
The Gallant Old Republic
or Grand Longueville
that above.
Are the people who have voted or have not been on to have the chance to vote that I had in mind when I said that above.

[Dangelia]

If the Coalition members still wish to see a more active member of their government selection, I would gladly bite the bullet and nominate myself as the CMP chairman, including the cabinet position of PM. However, this is all with the permission of the Lord President, which I have the up most respect for, and require his advice in any and all matter relating to either the CMP or the cabinet.

Yes,

You
Maryginia
Divitaen- though he is going to be more inactive he said.
Dangelia
The Gallant Old Republic
or Grand Longueville
that above.
Are the people who have voted or have not been on to have the chance to vote that I had in mind when I said that above.

[Grand Longueville]

If the Coalition members still wish to see a more active member of their government selection, I would gladly bite the bullet and nominate myself as the CMP chairman, including the cabinet position of PM. However, this is all with the permission of the Lord President, which I have the up most respect for, and require his advice in any and all matter relating to either the CMP or the cabinet.

Yes,

You
Maryginia
Divitaen- though he is going to be more inactive he said.
Dangelia
The Gallant Old Republic
or Grand Longueville
that above.
Are the people who have voted or have not been on to have the chance to vote that I had in mind when I said that above.

Or?

[Old Tyrannia]

If the Coalition members still wish to see a more active member of their government selection, I would gladly bite the bullet and nominate myself as the CMP chairman, including the cabinet position of PM. However, this is all with the permission of the Lord President, which I have the up most respect for, and require his advice in any and all matter relating to either the CMP or the cabinet.

I have no doubt you would make a great Chairman and Prime Minister, Cel. But we did go through the motions of nominating candidates, and Irredento was the only one who stepped forward within the alloted time period, which has now elapsed. Unless Irredento was to say himself that he would consent to my retroactively extending the nomination period to include your self-nomination and thus call an election with the two of you as candidates, which I must add would have to last at least 48 hours to give the Party a fair amount of time to make its voice heard hence my earlier wish to hurry along the nominations in light of President Schmidt wanting to appoint his Prime Minister as soon as possible, I would be unwilling to remove him from a role which he has legitimately "won" even if no election took place.

[The Nihilistic view]

Yes,

that above.
Are the people who have voted or have not been on to have the chance to vote that I had in mind when I said that above.

Or?

Yes,

You, Maryginia, Divitaen- though he is going to be more inactive he said, Dangelia, The Gallant Old Republic or Grand Longueville.

That's how one may write a list in the English language is it not?

[Kouralia]

If the Coalition members still wish to see a more active member of their government selection, I would gladly bite the bullet and nominate myself as the CMP chairman, including the cabinet position of PM. However, this is all with the permission of the Lord President, which I have the up most respect for, and require his advice in any and all matter relating to either the CMP or the cabinet.

I have no doubt you would make a great Chairman and Prime Minister, Cel. But we did go through the motions of nominating candidates, and Irredento was the only one who stepped forward within the alloted time period, which has now elapsed. Unless Irredento was to say himself that he would consent to my retroactively extending the nomination period to include your self-nomination and thus call an election with the two of you as candidates, which I must add would have to last at least 48 hours to give the Party a fair amount of time to make its voice heard hence my earlier wish to hurry along the nominations in light of President Schmidt wanting to appoint his Prime Minister as soon as possible, I would be unwilling to remove him from a role which he has legitimately "won" even if no election took place.

*Endorses Cel*

[Grand Longueville]

Or?

Yes,

You, Maryginia, Divitaen- though he is going to be more inactive he said, Dangelia, The Gallant Old Republic or Grand Longueville.

That's how one may write a list in the English language is it not?

I would have used "and". I would have also deployed the oxford comma.

[Kouralia]

Yes,

You, Maryginia, Divitaen- though he is going to be more inactive he said, Dangelia, The Gallant Old Republic or Grand Longueville.

That's how one may write a list in the English language is it not?

I would have used "and". I would have also deployed the oxford comma.

syndetic listing ftw

[Celritannia]

If the Coalition members still wish to see a more active member of their government selection, I would gladly bite the bullet and nominate myself as the CMP chairman, including the cabinet position of PM. However, this is all with the permission of the Lord President, which I have the up most respect for, and require his advice in any and all matter relating to either the CMP or the cabinet.

I have no doubt you would make a great Chairman and Prime Minister, Cel. But we did go through the motions of nominating candidates, and Irredento was the only one who stepped forward within the alloted time period, which has now elapsed. Unless Irredento was to say himself that he would consent to my retroactively extending the nomination period to include your self-nomination and thus call an election with the two of you as candidates, which I must add would have to last at least 48 hours to give the Party a fair amount of time to make its voice heard hence my earlier wish to hurry along the nominations in light of President Schmidt wanting to appoint his Prime Minister as soon as possible, I would be unwilling to remove him from a role which he has legitimately "won" even if no election took place.

I completely understand, Lord President. I do not wish to take away Irredento's position as PM. I voice the concern of inactivity and possible delay in appointing the Commonwealth's Government. I would feel terrible to rip Irredento's winnings for him, and while I respect all members of the CMP, I am as worried as you are, Lord President, in the high amount of inactivity.
If Irredento was to become highly active during the Premiership of the Commonwealth, I will gladly retract my nomination for Chairman and PM, possibly asking to be nominated for Deputy Chairman of the CMP instead.

[Grand Longueville]

I would have used "and". I would have also deployed the oxford comma.

syndetic listing ftw

Liberal.

EDIT: At least be consistent! Use commas or don't.

[Irredento]

Well now, this is certainly interesting. I left without getting the chance to put forward my vote for our Tom Schmidt earlier but the assumption that I wasn't going to get around to it is an odd one.

I actually just posted my vote in the election thread before seeing all of this nonsense.

If I may say the noises coming out of this party as are going to make it mighty hard to vote in a CMP PM.

Might I ask what personal gripes you have with me? I assume there is a good reason that you would be willing to break off our alliance in order to oppose me?

On the point of inactivity, it bemuses me how a senator who has recently been back from a very long period of inactivity can call a senator who regularly is active (I know this because we TG and RP together) inactive. In fact until today Maryginia was the last one of the two active having been online several days since the 8th which was the last time Irredento was on.

I actually check the CMP HQ and main Senate threads on a daily basis, excepting the very rare days when I am actually otherwise occupied, and in my time here I would honestly argue that I've been one of the most active members of the Party, with the only exception being when some very serious family issues in real life took up a lot of my time and left me emotionally drained to the point where I couldn't really handle things. I think it's quite clear that I'm back on top of things now, however, so I can't help but feel that your hostility towards me is highly uncalled for.

Considering how I'm literally the only person active enough to have been around even once during the campaign to become Chairman, I just can't figure out exactly what is behind your harsh criticisms of me.

On a second point, the NFC won't be happy with a PM who did not vote for the coalition in the election. I personally won't be voting for a PM candidate who can't be bothered to make a short trip to a polling station to support the side he seeks to be PM of.

Once again, I did actually vote the candidate, when I had the time. I don't know what made you assume that I didn't intend to do this.

I had assumed that I could count you among my allies. If nothing else, I'm grateful that you've corrected me on this matter in such a blunt and honest manner. I'll keep your actions in mind in future.

[The Liberated Territories]

The same applies for Grand Longueville, he needs to vote if we are to be happy with him holding a ministry. He has been active over the election. If you are in this coalition you have duty, a duty to support that coalition in elections. You should not expect to get ministries and executive positions unless you support the coalition candidate with votes.

I hope your all having a lovely day though.

I have no duty. I have a contract. Entirely different thing.

*fades out*

[The Nihilistic view]

The same applies for Grand Longueville, he needs to vote if we are to be happy with him holding a ministry. He has been active over the election. If you are in this coalition you have duty, a duty to support that coalition in elections. You should not expect to get ministries and executive positions unless you support the coalition candidate with votes.

I hope your all having a lovely day though.

I have no duty. I have a contract. Entirely different thing.

*fades out*

You have a duty to fulfill your contractual obligation.

*say's a voice from the shadows*

[Irredento]

As for me becoming Chairman again, I'm happy to do this and, not that I wish to toot my own horn, but I think I ran things pretty well last time and don't see why I wouldn't be able to do so again. I would actually love to have Celritannia as my Deputy Chairman, especially for those rare occasions when I am actually unable to be as active as usual, as I feel it is very important to always have someone actively taking the helm of the party. I feel that Senator Celritannia and myself are fairly similar in our views and so it would be a good pairing. If he will accept, then I must point out that, just as I did with my Deputy Chairman back in the day, I would like to work closely with him on deciding the party line on certain issues and I also feel it is important to have both him and our Lord President as a constant check on my own power and balance against me tipping things too far in the direction of my own narrow interests and political goals. That said, if anyone else wishes to stand for the position of Chairman, I'm fine with letting people vote for who they want rather than myself being appointed without opposition.

Whether I am to be Chairman or not, I sincerely hope that my fellow Cavaliers do not see me as incompetent as TNV apparently does and I'm honestly kind of stunned at this attack on my character. Perhaps I was hasty and even somewhat mistaken in saying that Maryginia hadn't been active but these statements were based on the conversation in posts prior to my own. It is also the case that I suggested someone else for that position. If the Lord President deems this unfair, I of course would not be opposed to reinstating Maryginia in that cabinet position, but my different choice was based not only on inactivity but also, quite honestly, a desire to put someone more in line with the distributist and mercantlist views of the CMP in such a heavily economics-based position rather than a pure libertarian. This might be seen as unfair but I didn't have feelings and privileges in mind so much as political expediency.

Finally, just to clarify, my reasons for stepping down back then were deeply personal and if anyone really wants to know more about what actually went on back then, I'd rather leave that to telegrams, but I'm happy to talk about it if necessary.

[The Liberated Territories]

I have no duty. I have a contract. Entirely different thing.

*fades out*

You have a duty to fulfill your contractual obligation.

*say's a voice from the shadows*

D'oh. Well its not like it is involuntary.

Anyway I definitely would endorse Maryginia for the role of PM.

[Irredento]

Hm... I was always wary of this alliance with libertarians, just as wary as I was of the old alliance we had with the proto-fascists back in the day, because I always had this lingering worry that they would use us to get their issues through with the help of our votes but then leave us lying broken in the dirt when we actually needed them to help us in return.

For a while there, I had put these worries behind me, but now I feel these doubts slowly creeping back into my psyche for some reason.

What use to us is this so-called "alliance" if we are not even allowed to control our own Party and appoint our own members to its positions without their permission? Perhaps we have gotten many more bills passed in the Senate by working with these people, but how many of them can be described as monarchist rather than purely libertarian bills? Perhaps we should discuss this now that they've opened that can of worms?

I'd be interested to hear thoughts on this from all sides.

[The Gallant Old Republic]

As a member of the CMP I will carry out my duty and accept the position of Minister of Business Safety if it is otherwise approved. Concerning our alliance with the coalition I will just briefly say that it remains important to work with them (after all libertarian is better than leftist, by far).

[New Bierstaat]

Hm... I was always wary of this alliance with libertarians, just as wary as I was of the old alliance we had with the proto-fascists back in the day, because I always had this lingering worry that they would use us to get their issues through with the help of our votes but then leave us lying broken in the dirt when we actually needed them to help us in return.

For a while there, I had put these worries behind me, but now I feel these doubts slowly creeping back into my psyche for some reason.

What use to us is this so-called "alliance" if we are not even allowed to control our own Party and appoint our own members to its positions without their permission? Perhaps we have gotten many more bills passed in the Senate by working with these people, but how many of them can be described as monarchist rather than purely libertarian bills? Perhaps we should discuss this now that they've opened that can of worms?

I'd be interested to hear thoughts on this from all sides.

Nobody from outside the CMP will be deciding your prime minister pick. You pick the candidate, and I'll nominate him/her.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say we've left you in the dust.

[Irredento]

Anything is better than leftist. I just can't abide by our so-called "allies" outright making demands and stating who can and cannot be appointed to positions that they already agreed our Party have control over. They need to understand that I am not the previous Chairman and so of course there will be differences between then and now. I am not even a libertarian for that matter. However, I am willing to work with them, but only if there is compromise. This is something that seems to be sorely lacking based on the attitude they have shown here.

If I am to be Chairman, then things obviously will change. I will honour agreements that I feel are mutually beneficial to us but they must be ready to renegotiate certain things that are blatantly not. The CMP were never pushovers when I was Chairman first time around and I won't allow them to be this time either. By all means, let's work together, but it's a two way street. We can discuss any changes I'm making once everything is actually finalised and we've confirmed that everyone can carry out their duties in the positions I've offered them. If they wish to smash an alliance that I know I can make work just because we won't meekly acquiesce to their demands, then let them, but know that 1000 year lefty-liberal reich that follows this decision was not our doing.

[Irredento]

Hm... I was always wary of this alliance with libertarians, just as wary as I was of the old alliance we had with the proto-fascists back in the day, because I always had this lingering worry that they would use us to get their issues through with the help of our votes but then leave us lying broken in the dirt when we actually needed them to help us in return.

For a while there, I had put these worries behind me, but now I feel these doubts slowly creeping back into my psyche for some reason.

What use to us is this so-called "alliance" if we are not even allowed to control our own Party and appoint our own members to its positions without their permission? Perhaps we have gotten many more bills passed in the Senate by working with these people, but how many of them can be described as monarchist rather than purely libertarian bills? Perhaps we should discuss this now that they've opened that can of worms?

I'd be interested to hear thoughts on this from all sides.

Nobody from outside the CMP will be deciding your prime minister pick. You pick the candidate, and I'll nominate him/her.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say we've left you in the dust.

TNV has once threatened to break our alliance if I become Chairman and he has also issued a warning that I had best not dare change any cabinet members.

This sort of attitude bothers me and makes me feel as though at least he thinks of the CMP as some sort of unnecessary partner who should acquiesce to demands from outside the Party. I feel that it's in our best interests to call his bluff on this one.

Once things are actually finalised, only then will we begin discussing my cabinet picks with the coalition. Let us get our house in order and then we can negotiate. I'd prefer that the threats and warnings cease until then at the very least.

[New Bierstaat]

Nobody from outside the CMP will be deciding your prime minister pick. You pick the candidate, and I'll nominate him/her.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say we've left you in the dust.

TNV has once threatened to break our alliance if I become Chairman and he has also issued a warning that I had best not dare change any cabinet members.

This sort of attitude bothers me and makes me feel as though at least he thinks of the CMP as some sort of unnecessary partner who should acquiesce to demands from outside the Party. I feel that it's in our best interests to call his bluff on this one.

Once things are actually finalised, only then will we begin discussing my cabinet picks with the coalition. Let us get our house in order and then we can negotiate. I'd prefer that the threats and warnings cease until then at the very least.

Nihil has no authority to break any alliances involving the CMP, and his threats are neither backed by NFC leadership nor by me as president, nor are they representative of NFC positions.

The decisions you make for CMP cabinet picks have nothing to do with the NFC. They are yours alone (the CMP) to make. Just like you couldn't go telling Reform who to pick DPM.

And for the record, I appreciate the CMP's contributions to the NFC, not the least of which was Distruzio's tenure as PM before he went inactive.

As long as you have a PM pick from within the CMP within a couple of days after the election (if I win), everything will be fine. Just try to pick someone who will get confirmed, please.

EDIT: I see that the party seems to have chosen. I'd be honored, Irredento, to nominate you as my PM.