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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:01 pm

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I don't agree with the idea of 'Divine Right'. I believe in a meritocratic monarchy. It may seem 2 different ends of the scale, but the Roman Empire technically had a Meritocratic Monarchy, Augustus was the adopted son of Julius Caesar, appointed by the Roman Senate. Same thing happened to the adopted son of Augustus.

I am just not committed to the whole principle of 'first born should succeed.'

I agree it shouldn't be first born. I feel that instead, the monarch chooses the best among his children to rule after his death. It also limits the possibility of having an idiot as monarch. But even if there is an idiot, the senate vote can appoint a regent in his place.


Exactly. Or at least the Monarch and an appointed Privy Council decide, looking over specific qualities of each individual.

If we are to take divine right in to the prospect, many gods did not like the British Monarch's fist born. Edward the VIII abdicated in 1936. Henry Frederick died in 1612, leaving Charles to succeed the 3 Kingdoms. And of course the Black Prince fell to the black Death. The First born does not seem to be liked :P

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:11 pm

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Dangelia wrote:I agree it shouldn't be first born. I feel that instead, the monarch chooses the best among his children to rule after his death. It also limits the possibility of having an idiot as monarch. But even if there is an idiot, the senate vote can appoint a regent in his place.


Exactly. Or at least the Monarch and an appointed Privy Council decide, looking over specific qualities of each individual.

If we are to take divine right in to the prospect, many gods did not like the British Monarch's fist born. Edward the VIII abdicated in 1936. Henry Frederick died in 1612, leaving Charles to succeed the 3 Kingdoms. And of course the Black Prince fell to the black Death. The First born does not seem to be liked :P


and the number of time a second born has not been liked?

Oh and you missed the biggest of the all. Henry VIII was not the firstborn.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:14 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
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Exactly. Or at least the Monarch and an appointed Privy Council decide, looking over specific qualities of each individual.

If we are to take divine right in to the prospect, many gods did not like the British Monarch's fist born. Edward the VIII abdicated in 1936. Henry Frederick died in 1612, leaving Charles to succeed the 3 Kingdoms. And of course the Black Prince fell to the black Death. The First born does not seem to be liked :P


and the number of time a second born has not been liked?

Oh and you missed the biggest of the all. Henry VIII was not the firstborn.


I see what you did there ;)

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:16 pm

Celritannia wrote:
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and the number of time a second born has not been liked?

Oh and you missed the biggest of the all. Henry VIII was not the firstborn.


I see what you did there ;)


I don't know what you mean....... ;)
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I think the ideal system is that used in the times of Anglo Saxon England (you know, that region I have in my signature) which, as I understand, was a mix of sorts between the problematic 'noble republic' (a King is elected somewhat like the HRE but the nobles favor a weak king in order to preserve their power) and the first born succession which may result in a downright bad king. The Anglo-Saxons used the Witanagemoot, a council of advisors and important figures from across the country, to formally except the king as king. This way the succession would pass normally but the Witanagemoot could pass over a weak successor in favor of another. This ended when Harold was elected to the protest of William of Normandy (darn those Normans!).
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:09 am

I thjnk that, due to Distruzio's extended absence, it would be appropriate for me to call a party election for the next chairman. Since the next Chairman of the Classical Monarchist Party will also become the NFC's Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition following the presidential elections, we are under some time pressures and I don't have as much time as I'd like to organize this, so I apologize to any party members who feel rushed or don't vote in time due to failing to check the thread in the next couple of days. Nominations will be open from now until midday tomorrow, GMT, after which voting will begin immediately (or as soon as I can get to a computer to declare voting open), so would-be Chairmen have 24 hours to nominate themselves.

In the meantime, be sure to vote for incumbent President Tom Schmidt in the presidential elections. That is all. God Save the Queen.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:19 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:I thjnk that, due to Distruzio's extended absence, it would be appropriate for me to call a party election for the next chairman. Since the next Chairman of the Classical Monarchist Party will also become the NFC's Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition following the presidential elections, we are under some time pressures and I don't have as much time as I'd like to organize this, so I apologize to any party members who feel rushed or don't vote in time due to failing to check the thread in the next couple of days. Nominations will be open from now until midday tomorrow, GMT, after which voting will begin immediately (or as soon as I can get to a computer to declare voting open), so would-be Chairmen have 24 hours to nominate themselves.

In the meantime, be sure to vote for incumbent President Tom Schmidt in the presidential elections. That is all. God Save the Queen.


Will it be possible to nominate Maryginia for Party Chairman?
If he decides to step down from the nomination, I will not mind. However, I do believe Maryginia will be a good candidate for Chairmanship of the CMP.
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The Queen! *Toasts*
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The Nihilistic view wrote:The Queen! *Toasts*


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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:27 am

Celritannia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I thjnk that, due to Distruzio's extended absence, it would be appropriate for me to call a party election for the next chairman. Since the next Chairman of the Classical Monarchist Party will also become the NFC's Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition following the presidential elections, we are under some time pressures and I don't have as much time as I'd like to organize this, so I apologize to any party members who feel rushed or don't vote in time due to failing to check the thread in the next couple of days. Nominations will be open from now until midday tomorrow, GMT, after which voting will begin immediately (or as soon as I can get to a computer to declare voting open), so would-be Chairmen have 24 hours to nominate themselves.

In the meantime, be sure to vote for incumbent President Tom Schmidt in the presidential elections. That is all. God Save the Queen.


Will it be possible to nominate Maryginia for Party Chairman?
If he decides to step down from the nomination, I will not mind. However, I do believe Maryginia will be a good candidate for Chairmanship of the CMP.

Nominating other members is fine, but they will have to confirm their intentions to run before being put on the ballot.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:28 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
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Will it be possible to nominate Maryginia for Party Chairman?
If he decides to step down from the nomination, I will not mind. However, I do believe Maryginia will be a good candidate for Chairmanship of the CMP.

Nominating other members is fine, but they will have to confirm their intentions to run before being put on the ballot.


That's understandable :)

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Postby New Bierstaat » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:56 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:I thjnk that, due to Distruzio's extended absence, it would be appropriate for me to call a party election for the next chairman. Since the next Chairman of the Classical Monarchist Party will also become the NFC's Prime Minister or Leader of the Opposition following the presidential elections, we are under some time pressures and I don't have as much time as I'd like to organize this, so I apologize to any party members who feel rushed or don't vote in time due to failing to check the thread in the next couple of days. Nominations will be open from now until midday tomorrow, GMT, after which voting will begin immediately (or as soon as I can get to a computer to declare voting open), so would-be Chairmen have 24 hours to nominate themselves.

In the meantime, be sure to vote for incumbent President Tom Schmidt in the presidential elections. That is all. God Save the Queen.

If I win, I'd like to nominate my prime minister as soon after the election as possible. After being nominated, the candidate will have to deliver a speech to the Senate on why he/she should be confirmed as PM. After being confirmed, the newly-seated prime minister will appoint the cabinet as agreed upon before the election.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:39 pm

Is Irridento still active?
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:48 pm

most of our leading CMP members are inactive.
As is Maryginia.

I would suggest The Lord President to assume the role of Prime Minister if he wishes to lead the cabinet.
Equally, I would nominate myself as a candidate for chairmanship, but my activity within the senate is mainly voting on bills, with no real experience in an actual cabinet position.

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Postby Grand Longueville » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:00 pm

Celritannia wrote:most of our leading CMP members are inactive.
As is Maryginia.

I would suggest The Lord President to assume the role of Prime Minister if he wishes to lead the cabinet.
Equally, I would nominate myself as a candidate for chairmanship, but my activity within the senate is mainly voting on bills, with no real experience in an actual cabinet position.


I second the call for the Lord President to assume the role!

God save the Queen!

EDIT: I too have such such experience in voting on bills and, while I haven't recorded them, I have always voted with the party line. I did however, hold the Ministerial post of Minister of Culture, but I was treacherously inactive. This wouldn't happen again if I assumed such a role.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:09 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Celritannia wrote:most of our leading CMP members are inactive.
As is Maryginia.

I would suggest The Lord President to assume the role of Prime Minister if he wishes to lead the cabinet.
Equally, I would nominate myself as a candidate for chairmanship, but my activity within the senate is mainly voting on bills, with no real experience in an actual cabinet position.


I second the call for the Lord President to assume the role!

God save the Queen!

EDIT: I too have such such experience in voting on bills and, while I haven't recorded them, I have always voted with the party line. I did however, hold the Ministerial post of Minister of Culture, but I was treacherously inactive. This wouldn't happen again if I assumed such a role.


Well I am active, I just have limited confidence in my abilities as a cabinet member.

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Postby Dangelia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:18 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Celritannia wrote:most of our leading CMP members are inactive.
As is Maryginia.

I would suggest The Lord President to assume the role of Prime Minister if he wishes to lead the cabinet.
Equally, I would nominate myself as a candidate for chairmanship, but my activity within the senate is mainly voting on bills, with no real experience in an actual cabinet position.


I second the call for the Lord President to assume the role!

God save the Queen!

EDIT: I too have such such experience in voting on bills and, while I haven't recorded them, I have always voted with the party line. I did however, hold the Ministerial post of Minister of Culture, but I was treacherously inactive. This wouldn't happen again if I assumed such a role.

I'm okay with you being Minister of Culture, as I will be too busy to be Minister of Culture for next term. I also agree that The Lord President should be the Party Chairman

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Dangelia wrote:The Lord President should be the Party Chairman

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Postby Grand Longueville » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:05 pm

I would feel far more comfortable if the Lord President acted as Chairman and subsequently as PM.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:29 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:I would feel far more comfortable if the Lord President acted as Chairman and subsequently as PM.


Yeah, because having an atheist run the most religious party in the senate while leading this secular state is a terrible idea :P

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Postby Grand Longueville » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:32 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:I would feel far more comfortable if the Lord President acted as Chairman and subsequently as PM.


Yeah, because having an atheist run the most religious party in the senate while leading this secular state is a terrible idea :P


I wouldn't feel comfortable with that scenario.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:34 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
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Yeah, because having an atheist run the most religious party in the senate while leading this secular state is a terrible idea :P


I wouldn't feel comfortable with that scenario.


Really? ;)

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:34 pm

Grand Longueville wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
Yeah, because having an atheist run the most religious party in the senate while leading this secular state is a terrible idea :P


I wouldn't feel comfortable with that scenario.


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Postby Grand Longueville » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:35 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Grand Longueville wrote:
I wouldn't feel comfortable with that scenario.


Are you going to vote Sir?


I don't like voting too early in the game. But yes, I suppose so.
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