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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:11 pm

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I never said he did. I wasn't protesting what he did, but what he didn't do; in this case, publicly push for a Catholic moral standpoint.

Why Catholic morality? Why not just morality? Push for the 10 commandments why do we have to push for the Catholic version?


What do you mean, "Catholic version"? Catholic morality founded on thomism, distributism, the Nicomachean Ethics, etc. These ought to be the lynchpins of this Party and this Commonwealth.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:12 pm

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New Bierstaat wrote:206. Why?


Well you appear to be missing one..........

Oh, and which would that be, Boris?
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Postby Maryginia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:13 pm

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Dangelia wrote:Oh come on. The Stoned Party is just a joke. It's not meant to be taken seriously. It shouldn't be taken into consideration.


I think it makes a joke out of anything you affiliate yourself with. I will submit to the ruling of the Lord President, but I feel it is in poor taste.

I as a party member am going to concur with dangelia It is a joke, It's not meant to be taken seriously, As for my opinion with Dangelia, I'd prefer Distruzio, that's not to say, I don't think Dangelia would be a good choice, I'd just prefer Distruzio, However as a second option Dangelia is a good one, I don't care ab out a candidate's religion, as If I did, Well, There's not many Jewish senators.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:20 pm

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Nuverikstan wrote:Why Catholic morality? Why not just morality? Push for the 10 commandments why do we have to push for the Catholic version?


What do you mean, "Catholic version"? Catholic morality founded on thomism, distributism, the Nicomachean Ethics, etc. These ought to be the lynchpins of this Party and this Commonwealth.

Why do we have to call it Catholic morality? It seems like Catholics are trying to force their laws on the people.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:22 pm

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Well you appear to be missing one..........

Oh, and which would that be, Boris?


Ah, well, now you mention it. And i'm no Doctor mind, but. You seem to have misplaced your Humerus.
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Postby Dangelia » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:22 pm

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I think it makes a joke out of anything you affiliate yourself with. I will submit to the ruling of the Lord President, but I feel it is in poor taste.

I as a party member am going to concur with dangelia It is a joke, It's not meant to be taken seriously, As for my opinion with Dangelia, I'd prefer Distruzio, that's not to say, I don't think Dangelia would be a good choice, I'd just prefer Distruzio, However as a second option Dangelia is a good one, I don't care ab out a candidate's religion, as If I did, Well, There's not many Jewish senators.

Don't worry. I also prefer Distruzio. But, if I'm called to be PM, I will be PM.

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Postby New Bierstaat » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:27 pm

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New Bierstaat wrote:Oh, and which would that be, Boris?


Ah, well, now you mention it. And i'm no Doctor mind, but. You seem to have misplaced your Humerus.

Bah! Humbug. I have two! :D

In all seriousness, I guess my main issue with it is that it would make the government and NFC, as well as the PM's office, look a little like a joke.

But now that I think about it, we've all done things to make this RP look like a joke at times. I'm not making it a condition of me nominating you or anything, no worries. You're my second choice after Dist.
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Postby Grand Longueville » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:34 pm

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What do you mean, "Catholic version"? Catholic morality founded on thomism, distributism, the Nicomachean Ethics, etc. These ought to be the lynchpins of this Party and this Commonwealth.

Why do we have to call it Catholic morality? It seems like Catholics are trying to force their laws on the people.


It is called Catholic because of its identity and association with the Church. No one is forcing any laws on anyone, do cease the hyperbole.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:55 am

*Walks in to the Party HQ, sees discussion is about religion. Walks back out*

In all seriousness, a persons religion should not be the leading factor when selecting a candidate for a government position. As long as the person in question has a good set of morals (even atheists have morals), then that is all that matters. But as long as the person selected for government adheres to the populous, protecting their rights, ensuring their security, and so on, that should be far more important than what religion they are, or what name they call God or the gods.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:06 am

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:Well I was rather late in responding, I've been busy trying to pull bills through in my home region.

The difference is that the American one (other than the king of England, who, as Churchill once said, was German) was not rebelling against aristocracy which had all but disappeared in the colonies except in the ways that the culture of the Constitution preserved it (just look at pictures of George Washington and he looks like a King, John Adams as before).


Just to correct you here, George III was the King of Great Britain (King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801), and was 100% British (his first language was English). Only his father and grand farther were German, the result of that, established the Premiership of Great Britain.

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Postby The Gallant Old Republic » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:43 pm

As others have mentioned I find it unnecessary to bother about Dangelia not being a Catholic for the simple reason that he is not only 'morally straight' in a general sense but also has clearly proven himself to be devoted to both cause and morals easily in line with the party.

Concerning King George III I stand largely corrected, I thought he did speak German first and he is certainly more dis-attached than I thought, but I did naturally know him as King of Britain as well as Elector/King of Hanover in Germany. Thus while being evidently English in character and upbringing surely he had some 'taste' of German to him (nothing wrong with that especially since I am largely German and English) and of course was known to hire out massive numbers of Hessian German soldiers for the wars, particularly the Revolution, though it may have been just as well his minister who decided on it.
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Postby The Gallant Old Republic » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:46 pm

I should have noted that similarly I am not a Catholic, nor Orthodox being of Anglican-derived traditions, but as evidenced below in my signature support Catholic Social Teaching and besides that the philosophic and moral tradition of the west, I trust this is sufficient.
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:48 am

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:Concerning King George III I stand largely corrected, I thought he did speak German first and he is certainly more dis-attached than I thought, but I did naturally know him as King of Britain as well as Elector/King of Hanover in Germany. Thus while being evidently English in character and upbringing surely he had some 'taste' of German to him (nothing wrong with that especially since I am largely German and English) and of course was known to hire out massive numbers of Hessian German soldiers for the wars, particularly the Revolution, though it may have been just as well his minister who decided on it.


He did speak German, just not as a first language.
I don't know much about the German mercenaries, but I would presume George III's position as Elector of Hanover made it easier to contract them. But then again, many German mercenaries were hired for other wars.

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Postby Dangelia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:16 pm

Celritannia, are you Jewish?

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:31 pm

Dangelia wrote:Celritannia, are you Jewish?


Jewish? No, I am an Athiest. Both my parents were Protestants (Church of England I believe). Why?

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Postby Dangelia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:33 pm

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Dangelia wrote:Celritannia, are you Jewish?


Jewish? No, I am an Athiest. Both my parents were Protestants (Church of England I believe). Why?

I noticed that you said G-d instead of God which is something that is predominately done by Jews.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:34 pm

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Jewish? No, I am an Athiest. Both my parents were Protestants (Church of England I believe). Why?

I noticed that you said G-d instead of God which is something that is predominately done by Jews.


TBH I never knew why people put a dash in the middle of God. I just thought it was out of respect or something :/
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Postby Dangelia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:39 pm

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Dangelia wrote:I noticed that you said G-d instead of God which is something that is predominately done by Jews.


TBH I never knew why people put a dash in the middle of God. I just though it was out of respect or something :/

The reason they do it is because in Hebrew the word YHWH, often transliterated as Yahweh, Jehovah, etc. Since it is the holy name of God, it is rarely used. I believe only the high priest is allowed to say YHWH, but only once in the temple for the Passover. Likewise, if you couldn't say it, many couldn't write it. So that's why many Jews write G-d. Also, when saying 'gods', you don't need to pluralize as it's not referring to God.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:42 pm

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TBH I never knew why people put a dash in the middle of God. I just though it was out of respect or something :/

The reason they do it is because in Hebrew the word YHWH, often transliterated as Yahweh, Jehovah, etc. Since it is the holy name of God, it is rarely used. I believe only the high priest is allowed to say YHWH, but only once in the temple for the Passover. Likewise, if you couldn't say it, many couldn't write it. So that's why many Jews write G-d. Also, when saying 'gods', you don't need to pluralize as it's not referring to God.


The plural is there for those you believe in Polytheism, which is something I have an interest in.
Although the Shinto religion interests me the most.

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Postby Dangelia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:44 pm

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Dangelia wrote:The reason they do it is because in Hebrew the word YHWH, often transliterated as Yahweh, Jehovah, etc. Since it is the holy name of God, it is rarely used. I believe only the high priest is allowed to say YHWH, but only once in the temple for the Passover. Likewise, if you couldn't say it, many couldn't write it. So that's why many Jews write G-d. Also, when saying 'gods', you don't need to pluralize as it's not referring to God.


The plural is there for those you believe in Polytheism, which is something I have an interest in.
Although the Shinto religion interests me the most.

Oh sorry, I miswrote it. I meant that you're not supposed to capitalize the 'g' in 'gods' when it's plural.

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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:47 pm

Dangelia wrote:Oh sorry, I miswrote it. I meant that you're not supposed to capitalize the 'g' in 'gods' when it's plural.


Ah my mistake :P
Oh of course, since the plural is referring to a number of specific gods, rather than referring to the deity called God.
My English grammar isn't at its best while I have this cold :P
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Dangelia wrote:Oh sorry, I miswrote it. I meant that you're not supposed to capitalize the 'g' in 'gods' when it's plural.


Ah my mistake :P
Oh of course, since the plural is referring to a number of specific gods, rather than referring to the deity called God.
My English grammar isn't at its best while I have this cold :P

Celritannia, since you're atheist, what do you think of divine right?
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Postby Celritannia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:52 pm

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Ah my mistake :P
Oh of course, since the plural is referring to a number of specific gods, rather than referring to the deity called God.
My English grammar isn't at its best while I have this cold :P

Celritannia, since you're atheist, what do you think of divine right?


I don't agree with the idea of 'Divine Right'. I believe in a meritocratic monarchy. It may seem 2 different ends of the scale, but the Roman Empire technically had a Meritocratic Monarchy, Augustus was the adopted son of Julius Caesar, appointed by the Roman Senate to be Dictator (then Emperor). Same thing happened to the adopted son of Augustus.

I am just not committed to the whole principle of 'first born should succeed.'
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Postby Dangelia » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:55 pm

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Dangelia wrote:Celritannia, since you're atheist, what do you think of divine right?


I don't agree with the idea of 'Divine Right'. I believe in a meritocratic monarchy. It may seem 2 different ends of the scale, but the Roman Empire technically had a Meritocratic Monarchy, Augustus was the adopted son of Julius Caesar, appointed by the Roman Senate. Same thing happened to the adopted son of Augustus.

I am just not committed to the whole principle of 'first born should succeed.'

I agree it shouldn't be first born. I feel that instead, the monarch chooses the best among his children to rule after his death. It also limits the possibility of having an idiot as monarch. But even if there is an idiot, the senate vote can appoint a regent in his place.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:58 pm

Dangelia wrote:
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Ah my mistake :P
Oh of course, since the plural is referring to a number of specific gods, rather than referring to the deity called God.
My English grammar isn't at its best while I have this cold :P

Celritannia, since you're atheist, what do you think of divine right?


I am an Atheist and I believe in divine right, as a useful tool to keep the gullible masses in check.
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