TET: Good-bye and hello, as always.

[Gidgetisms]

I think you're reading a bit too much into a washed up child star's desperate grasp at continuing fame, to be honest, and singling her out doesn't address just how many people, white or not, are doing the exact same thing without this absurd furor following them around.

That's the point. That white people do this all the fucking time. That slavery is still with us in ideology. That is why she needs to be shamed. Not for her perceived "sluttiness" or for her failure of skills at "twerking" but for her blatant and obvious racism. The message must be sent that this behaviour is unacceptable.

It wont happen, they'll make excuses for her.

[Grenartia]

No. Its more awesome than that.

What about a Chinese ripoff of MASH?

No foreign ripoff of M*A*S*H can EVER approach the awesomeness of the real version. Not even ripoffs from other Anglophone countries. You have to watch the original American version.

Torture would be my guess.

ugh. and wtf is twerking???

Making your ass jiggle.

How can you, a Woman, be a misogynist? That makes no sense.

holy jesus, I am misogynist all the time and I am a woman. We all have it ingrained within us. It's cultural indoctrination.

And how exactly are you misogynist? I never see you say anything that could even be remotely misconstrued as misogynist.

bonjour.
People at work tonight forced me to watch a vid of Miley Cyrus at the VMA's. Why God?

BECAUSE RACISM YAY

What does racism have to do with it? It was just plain fucking stupid. Just because racism is fucking stupid, doesn't always mean something stupid is racist.

Miley Cyrus is destroying the universe, she must be stopped.

Miley Cyrus is perpetuating harmful myths about WOC and their sexuality.

WOC?

The asinine level of focus placed on Miley and the nothing at all that's being said about her creepy middle-aged rape-y cohost is perpetuating patriarchy. Miley Cyrus needs to be criticized but don't you dare say a word about THE MAN!

Lord, don't start me on him.

But I'm pretty sure that Miley played a large part in the racism... considering her comments leading up to it, like a "black sound" for her new album et al.

I only saw the dance and shit. And I didn't see anything racist about that.

[Gidgetisms]

What about a Chinese ripoff of MASH?

No foreign ripoff of M*A*S*H can EVER approach the awesomeness of the real version. Not even ripoffs from other Anglophone countries. You have to watch the original American version.

ugh. and wtf is twerking???

Making your ass jiggle.

holy jesus, I am misogynist all the time and I am a woman. We all have it ingrained within us. It's cultural indoctrination.

And how exactly are you misogynist? I never see you say anything that could even be remotely misconstrued as misogynist.

BECAUSE RACISM YAY

What does racism have to do with it? It was just plain fucking stupid. Just because racism is fucking stupid, doesn't always mean something stupid is racist.

Miley Cyrus is perpetuating harmful myths about WOC and their sexuality.

WOC?

Lord, don't start me on him.

But I'm pretty sure that Miley played a large part in the racism... considering her comments leading up to it, like a "black sound" for her new album et al.

I only saw the dance and shit. And I didn't see anything racist about that.

RE: M*A*S*H. The movie or the series?

[Freelanderness]

That's the point. That white people do this all the fucking time. That slavery is still with us in ideology. That is why she needs to be shamed. Not for her perceived "sluttiness" or for her failure of skills at "twerking" but for her blatant and obvious racism. The message must be sent that this behaviour is unacceptable.

Nonwhite people doing the same shit for money are sending the same message, and this is a double standard you've been setting.

So now you're onto blaming the oppressed for perpetuating their own oppression? I mean really...

[Gidgetisms]

Nonwhite people doing the same shit for money are sending the same message, and this is a double standard you've been setting.

So now you're onto blaming the oppressed for perpetuating their own oppression? I mean really...

LOL That's like slut-shaming.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Nonwhite people doing the same shit for money are sending the same message, and this is a double standard you've been setting.

So now you're onto blaming the oppressed for perpetuating their own oppression? I mean really...

Proclaiming that someone is a total victim who has no choice in whether or not they shake their asses on camera for millions of dollars is absurd. Oppression exists, but it is not a catch-all reasoning for anything anyone who isn't white does at any moment.

[Grenartia]

No foreign ripoff of M*A*S*H can EVER approach the awesomeness of the real version. Not even ripoffs from other Anglophone countries. You have to watch the original American version.



Making your ass jiggle.



And how exactly are you misogynist? I never see you say anything that could even be remotely misconstrued as misogynist.



What does racism have to do with it? It was just plain fucking stupid. Just because racism is fucking stupid, doesn't always mean something stupid is racist.



WOC?



I only saw the dance and shit. And I didn't see anything racist about that.

RE: M*A*S*H. The movie or the series?

Both, to an extent, although more the series than the movie.

Nonwhite people doing the same shit for money are sending the same message, and this is a double standard you've been setting.

So now you're onto blaming the oppressed for perpetuating their own oppression? I mean really...

Nemmy does kind of have a point, in that non-whites have been doing that type of shit for years.

[Gidgetisms]

RE: M*A*S*H. The movie or the series?

Both, to an extent, although more the series than the movie.

So now you're onto blaming the oppressed for perpetuating their own oppression? I mean really...

Nemmy does kind of have a point, in that non-whites have been doing that type of shit for years.

I preferred the movie to the series, especially later on. It seemed very slapstick, cheap laughs

[Freelanderness]

holy jesus, I am misogynist all the time and I am a woman. We all have it ingrained within us. It's cultural indoctrination.

And how exactly are you misogynist? I never see you say anything that could even be remotely misconstrued as misogynist.

BECAUSE RACISM YAY

What does racism have to do with it? It was just plain fucking stupid. Just because racism is fucking stupid, doesn't always mean something stupid is racist.

Miley Cyrus is perpetuating harmful myths about WOC and their sexuality.

WOC?

Lord, don't start me on him.

But I'm pretty sure that Miley played a large part in the racism... considering her comments leading up to it, like a "black sound" for her new album et al.

I only saw the dance and shit. And I didn't see anything racist about that.

Everyone has internalised misogyny. I just spend a lot of time working to combat it.

The whole performance was racist. Her whole schtick about creating a "black" sound and then literally using black women as props. Notice how all her backup dancers are WOC (Women of Colour) with large derrieres? It's about sexualisation. She's expressing her sexuality through linking it with black women. Plus her whole slapping the woman's ass and miming licking it, both one-way sexual acts, and the first with a large amount of power dynamic. Additionally, this was the woman's only role in the whole thing. To be a black, sexual object. The whole thing is incredibly problematic.

[New England and The Maritimes]

And how exactly are you misogynist? I never see you say anything that could even be remotely misconstrued as misogynist.



What does racism have to do with it? It was just plain fucking stupid. Just because racism is fucking stupid, doesn't always mean something stupid is racist.



WOC?



I only saw the dance and shit. And I didn't see anything racist about that.

Everyone has internalised misogyny. I just spend a lot of time working to combat it.

The whole performance was racist. Her whole schtick about creating a "black" sound and then literally using black women as props. Notice how all her backup dancers are WOC (Women of Colour) with large derrieres? It's about sexualisation. She's expressing her sexuality through linking it with black women. Plus her whole slapping the woman's ass and miming licking it, both one-way sexual acts, and the first with a large amount of power dynamic. Additionally, this was the woman's only role in the whole thing. To be a black, sexual object. The whole thing is incredibly problematic.

Of course it is. The problem is you've decided it is unique and is only problematic because she's white.

[Grenartia]

Both, to an extent, although more the series than the movie.



Nemmy does kind of have a point, in that non-whites have been doing that type of shit for years.

I preferred the movie to the series, especially later on. It seemed very slapstick, cheap laughs

I respectfully disagree about the last part. I can see a reason for favoring the movie to the series, though.

[Gidgetisms]

I preferred the movie to the series, especially later on. It seemed very slapstick, cheap laughs

I respectfully disagree about the last part. I can see a reason for favoring the movie to the series, though.

well, this IS a personal opinion, too. I always found the earlier seasons better.

[Freelanderness]

So now you're onto blaming the oppressed for perpetuating their own oppression? I mean really...

Proclaiming that someone is a total victim who has no choice in whether or not they shake their asses on camera for millions of dollars is absurd. Oppression exists, but it is not a catch-all reasoning for anything anyone who isn't white does at any moment.

It's not about shaking your ass. It's about sexual objectification. It's about racial objectification. It's about being used as an object, about being ripped off. It's about white people capitalising on black bodies, and minds. It's about not having other options, because those stereotypes pervade every aspect of their life. There is no way to turn off the "Black". And there is proven and repeated discrimination, and multitudes of evidence to support it.

[Freelanderness]

Everyone has internalised misogyny. I just spend a lot of time working to combat it.

The whole performance was racist. Her whole schtick about creating a "black" sound and then literally using black women as props. Notice how all her backup dancers are WOC (Women of Colour) with large derrieres? It's about sexualisation. She's expressing her sexuality through linking it with black women. Plus her whole slapping the woman's ass and miming licking it, both one-way sexual acts, and the first with a large amount of power dynamic. Additionally, this was the woman's only role in the whole thing. To be a black, sexual object. The whole thing is incredibly problematic.

Of course it is. The problem is you've decided it is unique and is only problematic because she's white.

It's not unique. It's just got high press coverage. Perfect for stirring up protest. And yes, it is incredibly more problematic because she's white. The whole power structure thing.

[Beta Test]

Anyone here watch Homeland?

[Grenartia]

And how exactly are you misogynist? I never see you say anything that could even be remotely misconstrued as misogynist.



What does racism have to do with it? It was just plain fucking stupid. Just because racism is fucking stupid, doesn't always mean something stupid is racist.



WOC?



I only saw the dance and shit. And I didn't see anything racist about that.

Everyone has internalised misogyny. I just spend a lot of time working to combat it.

1. The whole performance was racist. Her whole schtick about creating a "black" sound and then literally using black women as props. 2. Notice how all her backup dancers are WOC (Women of Colour) with large derrieres? 3. It's about sexualisation. She's expressing her sexuality through linking it with black women. 4. Plus her whole slapping the woman's ass and miming licking it, both one-way sexual acts, and the first with a large amount of power dynamic. Additionally, this was the woman's only role in the whole thing. 5. To be a black, sexual object. 6. The whole thing is incredibly problematic.

1. How? Its not like she went up there in blackface and did it all with a faux-black accent and reinforcing a shitton of stereotypes. I mean, fuck, I'd argue that Soul Plane was 10 times more racist than Cyrus's half-coherent on stage seizure.

2. No, I didn't, because they were all wearing costumes and shit.

3. Methinks you're reaching. I don't at all deny that its sexualization. But I didn't see anything inherently linking it to black women, and how that inherently means she's expressing her sexuality through it.

4. I don't see how its racist. Oversexualized, yes, but not racist.

5. See 3.

6. Yes, but not for all of the reasons you're telling me it is.

[Freelanderness]

I'm going to bed before I faint on y'all. More riveting discussion tomorrow.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Proclaiming that someone is a total victim who has no choice in whether or not they shake their asses on camera for millions of dollars is absurd. Oppression exists, but it is not a catch-all reasoning for anything anyone who isn't white does at any moment.

It's not about shaking your ass. It's about sexual objectification. It's about racial objectification. It's about being used as an object, about being ripped off. It's about white people capitalising on black bodies, and minds. It's about not having other options, because those stereotypes pervade every aspect of their life. There is no way to turn off the "Black". And there is proven and repeated discrimination, and multitudes of evidence to support it.

You're doing it again. They are people, not automatons. Making decisions is what they do. Oppression influences those decisions, but you can't just make a bad decision and then claim oppression made you do it. You have to stick to a logical framework if you want to be taken seriously. If you agree to be objectified, you look pretty damn silly when you decry the objectification. You're contributing to it by volunteering, no matter what you look like.

This is a problem that lots of people are part of. Being an ally doesn't mean "LOL JUST SHUT UP" it means learn and advocate, not "Agree with the nearest non white person and pick a line of argument that lets you be outraged and 100% agree with them at this exact moment." Think for yourself. Being an ally doesn't mean being a robot.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Of course it is. The problem is you've decided it is unique and is only problematic because she's white.

It's not unique. It's just got high press coverage. Perfect for stirring up protest. And yes, it is incredibly more problematic because she's white. The whole power structure thing.

It's more offensive, certainly, but not necessarily more problematic.

[Grenartia]

I respectfully disagree about the last part. I can see a reason for favoring the movie to the series, though.

well, this IS a personal opinion, too. I always found the earlier seasons better.

Indeed. I must admit to being more of a fan of the later seasons, if for no other reason than I liked Col. Potter as a CO than Col. Blake.

[Gidgetisms]

well, this IS a personal opinion, too. I always found the earlier seasons better.

Indeed. I must admit to being more of a fan of the later seasons, if for no other reason than I liked Col. Potter as a CO than Col. Blake.

The last episode was good, I'll give you that one

[Grenartia]

Indeed. I must admit to being more of a fan of the later seasons, if for no other reason than I liked Col. Potter as a CO than Col. Blake.

The last episode was good, I'll give you that one

I haven't seen it yet.

[Gidgetisms]

The last episode was good, I'll give you that one

I haven't seen it yet.

you should watch it.

[Mushet]

It's not about shaking your ass. It's about sexual objectification. It's about racial objectification. It's about being used as an object, about being ripped off. It's about white people capitalising on black bodies, and minds. It's about not having other options, because those stereotypes pervade every aspect of their life. There is no way to turn off the "Black". And there is proven and repeated discrimination, and multitudes of evidence to support it.

You're doing it again. They are people, not automatons. Making decisions is what they do. Oppression influences those decisions, but you can't just make a bad decision and then claim oppression made you do it. You have to stick to a logical framework if you want to be taken seriously. If you agree to be objectified, you look pretty damn silly when you decry the objectification. You're contributing to it by volunteering, no matter what you look like.

This is a problem that lots of people are part of. Being an ally doesn't mean "LOL JUST SHUT UP" it means learn and advocate, not "Agree with the nearest non white person and pick a line of argument that lets you be outraged and 100% agree with them at this exact moment." Think for yourself. Being an ally doesn't mean being a robot.

There are situations where you have little choice in the matter

[Zottistan]

You're doing it again. They are people, not automatons. Making decisions is what they do. Oppression influences those decisions, but you can't just make a bad decision and then claim oppression made you do it. You have to stick to a logical framework if you want to be taken seriously. If you agree to be objectified, you look pretty damn silly when you decry the objectification. You're contributing to it by volunteering, no matter what you look like.

This is a problem that lots of people are part of. Being an ally doesn't mean "LOL JUST SHUT UP" it means learn and advocate, not "Agree with the nearest non white person and pick a line of argument that lets you be outraged and 100% agree with them at this exact moment." Think for yourself. Being an ally doesn't mean being a robot.

There are situations where you have little choice in the matter

There's almost always a choice.

EDIT: Fuck it, there's always a choice. Fundamental fact of human existence is that there's always the choice between trying and not trying, agreeing and not agreeing, living and dying.