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by **Maklohi Vai** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:01 am

Venaleria wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:*admin hat on*

That requires an amendment to the SIMBEDS act.

I beg to differ. Foreign Affairs was never really a stated category in SIMBEDS.

Yes, but Safety and Order was, and therefore in order to change it you have to change the bill establishing SIMBEDS.

by **Free South Califas** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:03 am

NPSEA: Aye. Simple, straightforward, gets the job done.
COPA: Aye
LTPA: Aye
APF: Aye

APA: Aye. Desparately needed. Currently there are no consequences for hitting, torturing or otherwise abusing an animal. APA fixes that. If you disagree with one or two of its small details, I would gently ask that you consider abstaining and suggesting amendments later if it passes.

NPWWA: Abstain. This is a very moderate parks bill that should be appealing to the right. If both NPSEA and NPWWA pass, we may want to write a synthesis amendment later, I dunno. Anyway, I appreciate what this bill is trying to do, and I won't get in the way if this is how Aurentina happens to do it.

LPA: Abstain, community service requirement should be much harsher. A week of street sweeping wouldn't be too much to ask, I think, and would help keep our population centres beautiful. Also, all fines should come with "and/or [meaningful] community service", since currently offenders who can't pay the fines simply have them waived with no other obligation imposed. So while I greatly appreciate what this bill is trying to do, I will want to amend it if it passes.

NFSA: Aye.

by **Free South Califas** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:04 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Venaleria wrote:
I beg to differ. Foreign Affairs was never really a stated category in SIMBEDS.

Yes, but Safety and Order was, and therefore in order to change it you have to change the bill establishing SIMBEDS.

Hm, is there a mechanism for amending law from the floor other than getting sponsors elsewhere and submitting it as a bill?

by **Maklohi Vai** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:06 am

Free South Califas wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Yes, but Safety and Order was, and therefore in order to change it you have to change the bill establishing SIMBEDS.

Hm, is there a mechanism for amending law from the floor other than getting sponsors elsewhere and submitting it as a bill?

There is no such mechanism, and I find it not appropriate to establish one at the moment.

by **Senate President pro Tempore** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:08 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:Hm, is there a mechanism for amending law from the floor other than getting sponsors elsewhere and submitting it as a bill?

There is no such mechanism, and I find it not appropriate to establish one at the moment.

Alright then, I digress.

I would like to un-motion my motion.

However, I will try to get an amendment in as soon as possible.

A vote counter will be up shortly.

by **Senate President pro Tempore** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:16 am

Current Vote Count on the Environment & Energy Category

Began: 1:47 PM Sun Aug 10, 2013; EDT (New York City)
Ends: 1:47 PM Tue Aug 12, 2013; EDT (New York City)
World Clock

NPSEA
1 for
0 against
0 abstain

COPA
1 for
0 against
0 abstain

LTPA
1 for
0 against
0 abstain

APF
1 for
0 against
0 abstain

APA
1 for
0 against
0 abstain

NPWWA
0 for
0 against
1 abstain

LPA
0 for
0 against
1 abstain

NFSA
1 for
0 against
0 abstain

by **Free South Califas** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:23 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:Hm, is there a mechanism for amending law from the floor other than getting sponsors elsewhere and submitting it as a bill?

There is no such mechanism, and I find it not appropriate to establish one at the moment.

Sure, yeah, that would be less than straightforward. I just thought there was one already for some reason.

by **Senate President pro Tempore** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:26 am

Was there already an amendment to SIMBEDS? For some weird reason, I feel like there was.

by **Maklohi Vai** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:31 am

Senate President pro Tempore wrote:Was there already an amendment to SIMBEDS? For some weird reason, I feel like there was.

Someone drafted a bill that would have split Health from S&O. I don't know where it is.

by **Senate President pro Tempore** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:35 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Senate President pro Tempore wrote:Was there already an amendment to SIMBEDS? For some weird reason, I feel like there was.

Someone drafted a bill that would have split Health from S&O. I don't know where it is.

It seems like it never really sparked, if you know what I mean. I'm currently writing a quick bill to just plainly replace Foreign Affairs with "Order" and have Safety & Order just be "Safety". Thanks!

Senators, please send in your votes!

by **Great Nepal** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:37 am

Against all for the moment.
(until I read them/ there is whip by CFE)

by **Maklohi Vai** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:39 am

Senate President pro Tempore wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Someone drafted a bill that would have split Health from S&O. I don't know where it is.

It seems like it never really sparked, if you know what I mean. I'm currently writing a quick bill to just plainly replace Foreign Affairs with "Order" and have Safety & Order just be "Safety". Thanks!

Senators, please send in your votes!

No, rename it Health, because "Order" refers to no single ministry and can imply several.

by **Free South Califas** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:41 am

I've already posted a bill in the Coffee Shop that should do the job with a little more flexibility.

by **Malgrave** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:46 am

NPSEA: Aye.
COPA: Aye
LTPA: Aye
APF: Aye
APA: Aye.
NPWWA: Abstain.
LPA: Abstain, a longer length of community service would be great.
NFSA: Aye.

by **Agritum** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:52 am

NPSEA: Aye.
COPA: Aye
LTPA: Aye
APF: Aye
APA: Aye.
NPWWA: Abstain.
LPA: Abstain.
NFSA: Aye.

by **Gothmogs** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:56 am

NPSEA: Aye
COPA: Aye
LTPA: Aye
APF: Aye
APA: Aye.
NPWWA: Aye
LPA: Aye (Malgrave, I will make sure to amend that.)
NFSA: Aye

I realize I am voting for conflicting legislation, but I would rather see them both pass then neither.

by **Senate President pro Tempore** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:56 am

Current Vote Count on the Environment & Energy Category

Began: 1:47 PM Sun Aug 10, 2013; EDT (New York City)
Ends: 1:47 PM Tue Aug 12, 2013; EDT (New York City)
World Clock

NPSEA
4 for
1 against
0 abstain

COPA
4 for
1 against
0 abstain

LTPA
4 for
1 against
0 abstain

APF
4 for
1 against
0 abstain

APA
4 for
1 against
0 abstain

NPWWA
1 for
1 against
3 abstain

LPA
1 for
1 against
3 abstain

NFSA
4 for
1 against
0 abstain

by **Gothmogs** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:59 am

I don't believe there were any against LPA. Might be my mistake though.

by **Senate President pro Tempore** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:59 am

Great Nepal wrote:Against all for the moment.
(until I read them/ there is whip by CFE)

Gothmogs^^

by **Gothmogs** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:00 pm

Senate President pro Tempore wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Against all for the moment.
(until I read them/ there is whip by CFE)

Gothmogs^^

Oops...

I can finally calm down when this is all over.

by **Venaleria** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:01 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
Senate President pro Tempore wrote:
Gothmogs^^

Oops...

by **Ranbo** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:12 pm

My votes:

NPSEA—AYE
COPA—ABSTAIN
LTPA—ABSTAIN
APF—NAY
NPWWA—AYE
LPA—AYE
NFSA—AYE

by **Byzantium Imperial** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:15 pm

Il look at the bills later, but for now

Nay on everything

by **Maryginia** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:20 pm

NAy to everything.

by **Threlizdun** » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:22 pm

NPSEA: Aye
COPA: Aye
LTPA: Aye
APF: Aye
APA: Aye.
NPWWA: Aye
LPA: Aye
NFSA: Aye

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