NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 3

[Oneracon]

Given that in the majority of countries around the world the opposite system seems to work better, I disagree.

Especially since private companies that run nature preserves would most likely not have any requirement that said land remains a nature preserve.

I would disagree, the privately owned West Maui mountains are incredibly well preserved, better than most of hawaii's public preserves.

You do know that the Puʻu Kukui Watershed Preserve (to which you are referring) receives significant funding from the State of Hawaii under the Natural Area Partnership Program, and that NAPP was only created to "[complement] the protection efforts on state lands"... right?

[Geilinor]

In many cases, however, private parks do a better job at preserving the environment than public parks. The West Maui preserve for example.

If a private group wants to buy some land and set it aside as a nature preserve that they operate completely at their expense, then fine.

I don't see why that should prevent the government from designating areas as national parks.

I agree that a private group should be able to make a nature preserve, but we must have national parks as well, to ensure that nature is available to everyone. Also, what prevents a private company from using the land for purposes other than a nature preserve?

[Free South Califas]

We're neither in Hawaii nor limited by the US regressive federal law. Obviously if you cared about environmental preservation you'd want Aurentina to have better systems in place for ensuring environmental protection, and I won't be holding my breath. Btw, what would you say is the reason a species is recognised as threatened or endangered?

Privatised parks tend to overcharge for admission and other costs. We should be promoting these national parks instead of closing them off to a portion of the population.

In many cases, however, private parks do a better job at preserving the environment than public parks. The West Maui preserve for example.

[New Zepuha]

So Marine preserves are not parks or forestry areas or under public domain?

No, they are not. They are oceanic preserves under public domain, according to my bill's wording. Your bill only allows wardens and servicemen to only enforce fishing laws, and even then, not within the preserves. You just need to change thew wording from "forests and parks" to "parks and preserves."

That second statement is wrong, it clearly states they may enforce the laws of the Nation, Area, and environmental laws. They may also pursue suspects off of the preserve, park, or forest ground.

[Free South Califas]

I don't want to make accusations, but I feel like he might have only read the bill titles...

I read them. I find the turtle and cork oak bills to be too strict and unneccesary goverment regulation.

yes, I know that my views on "animal rights" are unpopular...

Quit invoking irrelevant ideologies; do you oppose all consequences to hitting and torturing animals, or what is your issue with APA?

[New Zepuha]

Gentlemen, if we lose the cork trees we will see the disappearance of effective ways to bottle wine, filters for most major piping, protective covers for water purification tablets, and everyday needs of most schools or offices.

[Belmaria]

Gentlemen, if we lose the cork trees we will see the disappearance of effective ways to bottle wine, filters for most major piping, protective covers for water purification tablets, and everyday needs of most schools or offices.

We should pass a meaningless law that protects chickens as well, because chicken alfredo is tasty.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Gentlemen, if we lose the cork trees we will see the disappearance of effective ways to bottle wine, filters for most major piping, protective covers for water purification tablets, and everyday needs of most schools or offices.

Aurentina: The Only Place Anywhere Ever that Can Ever Grow Cork Trees At All

[Belmaria]

Gentlemen, if we lose the cork trees we will see the disappearance of effective ways to bottle wine, filters for most major piping, protective covers for water purification tablets, and everyday needs of most schools or offices.

Aurentina: The Only Place Anywhere Ever that Can Ever Grow Cork Trees At All

[The Nihilistic view]

Aurentina: The Only Place Anywhere Ever that Can Ever Grow Cork Trees At All

Yeah that was a great comment.

[Regnum Dominae]

Gentlemen, if we lose the cork trees we will see the disappearance of effective ways to bottle wine, filters for most major piping, protective covers for water purification tablets, and everyday needs of most schools or offices.

Aurentina: The Only Place Anywhere Ever that Can Ever Grow Cork Trees At All

[Free South Califas]

Gentlemen, if we lose the cork trees we will see the disappearance of effective ways to bottle wine, filters for most major piping, protective covers for water purification tablets, and everyday needs of most schools or offices.

We should pass a meaningless law that protects chickens as well, because chicken alfredo is tasty.

The Senator's inability to comprehend ecology is noted, but not relevant to the debate as such.

[Belmaria]

We should pass a meaningless law that protects chickens as well, because chicken alfredo is tasty.

The Senator's inability to comprehend ecology is noted, but not relevant to the debate as such.

Leave it to you to come along and ruin the fun

[New Zepuha]

Gentlemen, if we lose the cork trees we will see the disappearance of effective ways to bottle wine, filters for most major piping, protective covers for water purification tablets, and everyday needs of most schools or offices.

Aurentina: The Only Place Anywhere Ever that Can Ever Grow Cork Trees At All

Maybe someday, but another point is, if we have our own then why do we need to spend money on import? Think of the scientific data lost, then we could re-engineer it back into another tree.

[The Nihilistic view]

"The last few weeks I have found myself in a curious position, being part of both the opposition and the government at the same time. After careful consideration I have thus decided to resolve this and join a party affiliated with the government. With this decided the party I have chosen to join is the National Liberal Party.

This is for two main reasons, first of all they are whilst to the right of my current party they are a Liberal party nonetheless. Second, over the last few days I have found myself at their HQ a lot and gotten to become friends with their chairman. We have in fact been having rather a lot of discussions about social-economic ideas including some that are I confess unheard of from my point of view. They seem both innovative and exciting in the new age they could usher into this nation, and after bouncing ideas and points of each other two bills have resulted that I believe will change the current political consensus for good among centrist parties. I feel that Battlion especially and myself have the opportunity to form a creative unit which innovative new ideas will flow forth. I am confident that Battlion is one of the best party leaders in the senate and I am sure the next chapter of my political journey will be fruitful under his leadership.

I would like to thank all the Liberal democrats especially Geil, MV and Beta for their friendship over the last month, I have enjoyed the experience. This is not the end, I am sure that in the future I will one day find myself back. Maybe in a month maybe in 10 years, who knows but one thing is for sure You guy’s will always be welcome at my home as friends. Because really what are we but the memories we make with those we are lucky to count among our friends. Thank you."

[Gothmogs]

Aurentina: The Only Place Anywhere Ever that Can Ever Grow Cork Trees At All

Maybe someday, but another point is, if we have our own then why do we need to spend money on import? Think of the scientific data lost, then we could re-engineer it back into another tree.

Exactly. Cork Oak bark strippers are also some of the highest paid agricultural workers in the world, as well as the fact that the bark has to be stripped by hand, meaning lots of well paying jobs for Aurentine workers.

[The Nihilistic view]

As Deputy minister, I would like to state that the commerce ministry is still open for business despite FSC's attempts to strike it down. We are working on a new bill of responsibility the outline of which is here. Consultation will close on Sunday night at 11pm GMT, full bill will be posted some time on Monday.

Link. viewtopic.php?p=16018941#p16018941

[Maklohi Vai]

Boris, it's been good knowing you and having you in the LDP. I wish you the best moving forward.

As Deputy minister, I would like to state that the commerce ministry is still open for business despite FSC's attempts to strike it down. We are working on a new bill of responsibility the outline of which is here. Consultation will close on Sunday night at 11pm GMT, full bill will be posted some time on Monday.

Link. viewtopic.php?p=16018941#p16018941

Correction: Senator Califas was attempting to reform the ministry and make it easier for you to run, not strike it down.

[Ranbo]

There are enough sponsors for me to submit this to the queue, preferably the Safety and Order one (as if it's not overloaded enough already).

Aurentine Public Disability Code
Author: Ranbo(LD) | Urgency: High | Sponsors: The Grand Republic of Hannover(NLP), Free South Califas(C), Seitonjin(NLP) , New Zepuha(PC) , Venaleria(RG)

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ACKNOWLEDGING the numerous Aurentine citizens born with or having aquired a wide range of disabilities,

APPALLED at the how disenfranchised these citizens are in mobility of everyday tasks, 

STRONGLY BELIEVING Public Buildings should contribute to the welfare of disabled customers, visitors, and/or workers,

HEREBY establishes the following measures:

Section 1— Definitions:

1.) A disability is hereby defined as a physical or mental handicap, preventing a person from living a full, normal life or from temporarily or permanently holding a gainful job.
2.)There shall be 3 levels of disabilities:

Level 1: Total Disability,  or the inccapacity to perform the duties of any occupation either permanently or temporarily due to accident or illness, including but not limited to the total permanent inability to walk or deterioration of one's mental state.
Level 2: Partial Disability, or an incapacity preventing full performance of duties of any occupation as a result of accident or illness, including but not limited to cardiovascular impairments or certain mental disorders evaluated by medical documentation.
Level 3: Temporary Disability or an incapacity preventing full performance of certain occupations, the incapacity being only until the problem will eventually be cured or reversed, including but not limited to broken arms or twisted ankles, within reason.

2.) A Public Building shall hereby be defined as a building maintained by the publics expense in the service of the public.
       a.)Governmental Offices are classified as such under this provision.
3.) Public Transportation is hereby defined as a public service meant to 1.
to carry, move, or convey members of the populace from one area to another, maintained by the public's expense. 

Section 2—Disability Code, Buildings:

All Public Buildings must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All furniture including, but not limited to  tables, chairs, vending machines, and cabinetry shall be appropriated to ease access for persons with Total and/or Partial Disabilities. This is considered Meeting Standards.
       a.)Appropriating furniture for ease of access to Temporary Disabilities, or providing the aforementioned above with exceptional appropriation, is considered Exceeding Standards.
2.)Should a public building offer auditory-related services, they shall offer the following to the hearing impaired when applicable:
       a.)Hearing aids, and/or
       b.)Closed Captioning.
       c.)Offering one of these services to any hearing impaired, regardless of disability level, is considered Meeting Standards.
       d.)Offering both services, or offering one of the services exceptionally, is considered Exceeding Standards.
3.)Any current public buildings not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the exact timeframe of one year to comply with all measures listed in this section.
       a.)Any future public buildings, including those in current construction, must comply with all measures listed in this section.

Section 3—Disability Code, Transport:
All Public Transport vehicles and operators must abide by these following provisions:
1.)All Public Transport vehicles must allow for greater accessibility in the layout of each vehicle, allowing ease of access and comfort for partial and temporary disabled riders.
       a.) Complying with this provision shall be considered Meeting Standards. 
       b.) Exceptionally complying with this provision is considered Exceeding Standards.
      c.) All Public Transport vehicles not complying with this code at the time of passage will have the timeframe of one year to comply with this measure.
2.)All Public Transport vehicles must provide riders with partial or temporary disabilities with reasonable assistance in boarding and exiting the vehicle, should a family member/guardian or companion be absent.
      a.)In this provision, no rating system shall be established.
      b.)Complaints by any disabled rider on the conduct of their driver towards their condition shall be submitted to the relevant office within the Transportation Ministry.
3.)A Paratransit system shall be established in all residential areas with a population of or exceeding 5,000, picking up and distributing riders to locations of their choice.
         a.)This system shall solely be used by riders with total disabilities unable to use the public transit system independently.
        b.)Each rider may allow for one licensed caretaker to accompany them upon entry.
        c.) All riders or caretakers if such must show a valid 'Paratransit Pass'(PP) to the Paratransit driver permitting entry.
        d.) PP may only be obtained by the completion of a form distributed by the Transport ministry, which then may he returned to any relevant office in exchange for a pass.
        e.) Any person found in unlawful possession of any amount of PP shall be fined accordingly.
      
Section 4—Auditing
1.)Once, per calendar year, the previously listed services and establishments operating under a rating system shall be subjected to a federal audit, carried out by the Health Ministry.
       a.)Should any service or establishment receive a rating of Below Standards in any provision, the said service or establishment shall be issued a fine and given a week to begin rectifying the offense, full completion to take no more than 6 months. 
      b.) Before any audit, a week's notice shall be given to the service or establishment being audited.
      c.)The Health Ministry shall set each audit deadline in advance, and dates are subject to change.

HEARBY passes the Aurentine Public Disability Code.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Added, Ranbo.

Noting the large amount of bills in the Safety and Order Category, as well as it being prone to buildup, I would like to motion the following:

I, Venaleria, motion to remove the Foreign Affairs Category of the SIMBEDS Act and replace it with the category "Order", to be split from the Safety and Order Category.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

Oh, and also, voting already started on the Environment and Energy Category. Sorry I didn't clarify that before.

Due to my mistake, voting officially starts as of now. I will post when voting will end etc. when I post the first vote counter.

[Free South Califas]

Added, Ranbo.

Noting the large amount of bills in the Safety and Order Category, as well as it being prone to buildup, I would like to motion the following:

I, Venaleria, motion to remove the Foreign Affairs Category of the SIMBEDS Act and replace it with the category "Order", to be split from the Safety and Order Category.

Since Foreign Affairs isn't really supposed to be a separate category under SIMBEDS anyway, I guess that's fine. Seconded.

As Deputy minister, I would like to state that the commerce ministry is still open for business despite FSC's attempts to strike it down.

I must echo Mr. Opposition Leader here - I haven't attempted to strike anyone in any fashion. It's a PM-created ministry and hasn't been banned. While we work on a bill which either clearly establishes the Ministry or clearly removes it from government, not much has changed except that a bit of less than ideal law has been struck from the record. Cheers all around!

[Gothmogs]

Added, Ranbo.

Noting the large amount of bills in the Safety and Order Category, as well as it being prone to buildup, I would like to motion the following:

I, Venaleria, motion to remove the Foreign Affairs Category of the SIMBEDS Act and replace it with the category "Order", to be split from the Safety and Order Category.

Since Foreign Affairs isn't really supposed to be a separate category under SIMBEDS anyway, I guess that's fine. Seconded.

As Deputy minister, I would like to state that the commerce ministry is still open for business despite FSC's attempts to strike it down.

I must echo Mr. Opposition Leader here - I haven't attempted to strike anyone in any fashion. It's a PM-created ministry and hasn't been banned. While we work on a bill which either clearly establishes the Ministry or clearly removes it from government, not much has changed except that a bit of less than ideal law has been struck from the record. Cheers all around!

Thirded.

[Maklohi Vai]

Added, Ranbo.

Noting the large amount of bills in the Safety and Order Category, as well as it being prone to buildup, I would like to motion the following:

I, Venaleria, motion to remove the Foreign Affairs Category of the SIMBEDS Act and replace it with the category "Order", to be split from the Safety and Order Category.

*admin hat on*

That requires an amendment to the SIMBEDS act.

[Venaleria]

Added, Ranbo.

Noting the large amount of bills in the Safety and Order Category, as well as it being prone to buildup, I would like to motion the following:

I, Venaleria, motion to remove the Foreign Affairs Category of the SIMBEDS Act and replace it with the category "Order", to be split from the Safety and Order Category.

*admin hat on*

That requires an amendment to the SIMBEDS act.

I beg to differ. Foreign Affairs was never really a stated category in SIMBEDS.