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Postby Geilinor » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:00 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Nor am I. I am practically anti-environment. I support privatised national parks and no laws for littering, hunting, etc. Which is why I wrote the environmental bill, to make sure at least one was reasonable.

Must...suppress...extreme anger and will to debate... :p

This^. Privatized national parks, no littering laws, and unrestricted hunting, even of threatened or endangered species?
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Postby Gothmogs » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:09 pm

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Gothmogs wrote:Must...suppress...extreme anger and will to debate... :p

This^. Privatized national parks, no littering laws, and unrestricted hunting, even of threatened or endangered species?

If we had no hunting laws I'm pretty sure all our animals would cease to exist in a year or so. Also who dislikes littering laws? People actually want trash piled up in the streets?
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:18 pm

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Geilinor wrote:This^. Privatized national parks, no littering laws, and unrestricted hunting, even of threatened or endangered species?

If we had no hunting laws I'm pretty sure all our animals would cease to exist in a year or so. Also who dislikes littering laws? People actually want trash piled up in the streets?

All hail holy Prussia-Steinbach, God of Animal Extinction and Trash-Strewn Streets! :p
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:54 pm

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Geilinor wrote:The loggerhead turtle and cork oak bills are just endangered species protections. I don't know if Regnum is opposed to those too.

I don't want to make accusations, but I feel like he might have only read the bill titles...

I read them. I find the turtle and cork oak bills to be too strict and unneccesary goverment regulation.

yes, I know that my views on "animal rights" are unpopular...
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:54 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:Must...suppress...extreme anger and will to debate... :p

This^. Privatized national parks, no littering laws, and unrestricted hunting, even of threatened or endangered species?

Yes (alongside a few public parks, but most should be private), not sure, yes.
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Postby Gothmogs » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:07 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:I don't want to make accusations, but I feel like he might have only read the bill titles...

I read them. I find the turtle and cork oak bills to be too strict and unneccesary goverment regulation.

yes, I know that my views on "animal rights" are unpopular...

My bills are actually less strict than in some places. However that is your right to disagree. No hard feelings. (Well maybe a little... :p )
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Postby Gothmogs » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:07 pm

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Gothmogs wrote:If we had no hunting laws I'm pretty sure all our animals would cease to exist in a year or so. Also who dislikes littering laws? People actually want trash piled up in the streets?

All hail holy Prussia-Steinbach, God of Animal Extinction and Trash-Strewn Streets! :p

:lol2:
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:17 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Geilinor wrote:This^. Privatized national parks, no littering laws, and unrestricted hunting, even of threatened or endangered species?

Yes (alongside a few public parks, but most should be private), not sure, yes.


I agree with having some private parks, but the rest, it is a bit too harsh.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:27 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Yes (alongside a few public parks, but most should be private), not sure, yes.


I agree with having some private parks, but the rest, it is a bit too harsh.


Privatised parks tend to overcharge for admission and other costs. We should be promoting these national parks instead of closing them off to a portion of the population.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:38 pm

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The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
I agree with having some private parks, but the rest, it is a bit too harsh.


Privatised parks tend to overcharge for admission and other costs. We should be promoting these national parks instead of closing them off to a portion of the population.


I am not saying to make national parks, private. I am saying to let the private sector open some parks.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:45 pm

Malgrave wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
I agree with having some private parks, but the rest, it is a bit too harsh.


Privatised parks tend to overcharge for admission and other costs. We should be promoting these national parks instead of closing them off to a portion of the population.

In many cases, however, private parks do a better job at preserving the environment than public parks. The West Maui preserve for example.
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Postby Saigonias » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:02 pm

I think that there should be privatized parks and littering laws and hunting regulations. There should also be public parks that also follow the same laws. But that's just my opinion.

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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:03 pm

Saigonias wrote:I think that there should be privatized parks and littering laws and hunting regulations. There should also be public parks that also follow the same laws. But that's just my opinion.


I share the same exact opinion. Also, to let the private sector open some beaches too.
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:04 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
Privatised parks tend to overcharge for admission and other costs. We should be promoting these national parks instead of closing them off to a portion of the population.

In many cases, however, private parks do a better job at preserving the environment than public parks. The West Maui preserve for example.


If a private group wants to buy some land and set it aside as a nature preserve that they operate completely at their expense, then fine.

I don't see why that should prevent the government from designating areas as national parks.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:05 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Saigonias wrote:I think that there should be privatized parks and littering laws and hunting regulations. There should also be public parks that also follow the same laws. But that's just my opinion.


I share the same exact opinion. Also, to let the private sector open some beaches too.

I strongly support privatised beaches. Though there should also be a public one or two - I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, I just think that the government interfering in potential profit needs to be minimal.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:05 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:In many cases, however, private parks do a better job at preserving the environment than public parks. The West Maui preserve for example.


If a private group wants to buy some land and set it aside as a nature preserve that they operate completely at their expense, then fine.

I don't see why that should prevent the government from designating areas as national parks.

I agree that there should be a national park system, but I think that the majority of areas should be run privately, with only the most important areas managed directly by the government.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:06 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:If we had no hunting laws I'm pretty sure all our animals would cease to exist in a year or so. Also who dislikes littering laws? People actually want trash piled up in the streets?

All hail holy Prussia-Steinbach, God of Animal Extinction and Trash-Strewn Streets! :p

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Postby Beta Test » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:06 pm

When will voting begin?
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:08 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
If a private group wants to buy some land and set it aside as a nature preserve that they operate completely at their expense, then fine.

I don't see why that should prevent the government from designating areas as national parks.

I agree that there should be a national park system, but I think that the majority of areas should be run privately, with only the most important areas managed directly by the government.


Given that in the majority of countries around the world the opposite system seems to work better, I disagree.

Especially since private companies that run nature preserves would most likely not have any requirement that said land remains a nature preserve.
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Postby Lamaredia » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:08 pm

Beta Test wrote:When will voting begin?


Senate President pro Tempore wrote:And that does it!

Debate will end and voting will start on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 5:48 pm EDT.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:09 pm

Oneracon wrote:Especially since private companies that run nature preserves would most likely not have any requirement that said land remains a nature preserve.

They wouldn't need one. That's the point. They'd do it for profit, not because they have to.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:09 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
I share the same exact opinion. Also, to let the private sector open some beaches too.

I strongly support privatised beaches. Though there should also be a public one or two - I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, I just think that the government interfering in potential profit needs to be minimal.


Of course. That's why I put emphasis in the "open". I am not saying to make public beaches, private; all I am saying is to let the private sector open their beaches as well. :)
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:09 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Beta Test wrote:When will voting begin?


Senate President pro Tempore wrote:And that does it!

Debate will end and voting will start on Sat Aug 10, 2013 at 5:48 pm EDT.

Thank you.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:10 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:I agree that there should be a national park system, but I think that the majority of areas should be run privately, with only the most important areas managed directly by the government.


Given that in the majority of countries around the world the opposite system seems to work better, I disagree.

Especially since private companies that run nature preserves would most likely not have any requirement that said land remains a nature preserve.

I would disagree, the privately owned West Maui mountains are incredibly well preserved, better than most of hawaii's public preserves.
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Postby Saigonias » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:11 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I strongly support privatised beaches. Though there should also be a public one or two - I'm not an anarcho-capitalist, I just think that the government interfering in potential profit needs to be minimal.


Of course. That's why I put emphasis in the "open". I am not saying to make public beaches, private; all I am saying is to let the private sector open their beaches as well. :)

I think that some beaches should be privatized and some should be public with regulation.

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