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[Belmaria]

Why does the Libertarian budget proposal use Revisionist English?

Because no grammar checkers ever proof-read the bill.

[Great Nepal]

I'm reading the link from the OP.

Wrong budget, thats the one with a decent defense budget.

We aren't going to be invaded by France, Italy or Spain any time soon, so updated budget's defence allotment is adequate.

[Belmaria]

Because that links to a quote, edits which have been made since said post was made are not included in that version. Here is an update version:

viewtopic.php?p=16556049#p16556049

Thank you, and apologies for the confusion.

It's no problem

[New Bierstaat]

Far right? A top tax of 40% is far right? Business taxes higher than any nation in the developed world are far right?

The highest tax rate shall be 30%

Which is far right. No spending on health is far right. 25% top rate of business tax isn't that high. So, yes, it's far right, and will not recieve my vote.

The original bill was at 40 and 30. I'm talking with Bel right now via TG about it. He changed it to 30 and 25 to make it more libertarian. My original version is somewhere in the Coffee Shop. I'm looking for it right now.

The Health thing was an oversight, and we do not wish to try to defund the health program in such an underhanded manner. Universal healthcare is law, and we'll respect that in our budget. I think my budget has health and welfare together but gives it a lot more money.

The budget is right, but far right is a stretch, especially with the protective tariff.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Wrong budget, thats the one with a decent defense budget.

We aren't going to be invaded by France, Italy or Spain any time soon, so updated budget's defence allotment is adequate.

You are leaving the possibility of a Algerian or Tunisian or Martian invasion though wide open

[Pesda]

Which is far right. No spending on health is far right. 25% top rate of business tax isn't that high. So, yes, it's far right, and will not recieve my vote.

The original bill was at 40 and 30. I'm talking with Bel right now via TG about it. He changed it to 30 and 25 to make it more libertarian. My original version is somewhere in the Coffee Shop. I'm looking for it right now.

The Health thing was an oversight, and we do not wish to try to defund the health program in such an underhanded manner. Universal healthcare is law, and we'll respect that in our budget. I think my budget has health and welfare together but gives it a lot more money.

The budget is right, but far right is a stretch, especially with the protective tariff.

Fine, we can call it right instead of far right.

[Belmaria]

Which is far right. No spending on health is far right. 25% top rate of business tax isn't that high. So, yes, it's far right, and will not recieve my vote.

The original bill was at 40 and 30. I'm talking with Bel right now via TG about it. He changed it to 30 and 25 to make it more libertarian. My original version is somewhere in the Coffee Shop. I'm looking for it right now.

The Health thing was an oversight, and we do not wish to try to defund the health program in such an underhanded manner. Universal healthcare is law, and we'll respect that in our budget. I think my budget has health and welfare together but gives it a lot more money.

The budget is right, but far right is a stretch, especially with the protective tariff.

You should look into the updated link I gave Pesda. I changed the tax rate for individuals and added a health provision. Although I haven't had a chance to read your version yet. But we need to come up with a uniform budget before this is over.

[Pesda]

We aren't going to be invaded by France, Italy or Spain any time soon, so updated budget's defence allotment is adequate.

You are leaving the possibility of a Algerian or Tunisian or Martian invasion though wide open

Not gonna happen.

[Great Nepal]

We aren't going to be invaded by France, Italy or Spain any time soon, so updated budget's defence allotment is adequate.

You are leaving the possibility of a Algerian or Tunisian or Martian invasion though wide open

We spend more than Algeria and if Martians manage to get invasion fleet from Mars to here, there isn't much we can do to stop them so thats fine as well.

[Belmaria]

You are leaving the possibility of a Algerian or Tunisian or Martian invasion though wide open

We spend more than Algeria and if Martians manage to get invasion fleet from Mars to here, there isn't much we can do to stop them so thats fine as well.

Our national policy on a martian invasion should be to embrace them with open arms to get on their good side. That way we don't end up slaves like the rest of the world. Servants, maybe but slaves no.

[Great Nepal]

We spend more than Algeria and if Martians manage to get invasion fleet from Mars to here, there isn't much we can do to stop them so thats fine as well.

Our national policy on a martian invasion should be to embrace them with open arms to get on their good side. That way we don't end up slaves like the rest of the world. Servants, maybe but slaves no.

I agree, like any alien invasion only wise thing to do is to collaborate unless we have antimatter-matter powered spaceships armed with phasers, plasma torpedoes and antimatter warheads by then... something we are likely to get by investing in science.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Our national policy on a martian invasion should be to embrace them with open arms to get on their good side. That way we don't end up slaves like the rest of the world. Servants, maybe but slaves no.

I agree, like any alien invasion only wise thing to do is to collaborate unless we have antimatter-matter powered spaceships armed with phasers, plasma torpedoes and antimatter warheads by then... something we are likely to get by investing in science.

Screw that, go nuclear and deny the invaders a habitable world to conquer.

[Belmaria]

I agree, like any alien invasion only wise thing to do is to collaborate unless we have antimatter-matter powered spaceships armed with phasers, plasma torpedoes and antimatter warheads by then... something we are likely to get by investing in science.

Screw that, go nuclear and deny the invaders a habitable world to conquer.

And kill everyone else too? No thank you.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Screw that, go nuclear and deny the invaders a habitable world to conquer.

And kill everyone else too?

Precisly. Its an all or nothing approach, that ensures that the aliens gain nothing from our demise. Its also possibly the coolest possible way for us as a world to die.

[Great Nepal]

I agree, like any alien invasion only wise thing to do is to collaborate unless we have antimatter-matter powered spaceships armed with phasers, plasma torpedoes and antimatter warheads by then... something we are likely to get by investing in science.

Screw that, go nuclear and deny the invaders a habitable world to conquer.

Thats why we dont do nukes. By destroying the world, everyone dies.
By collaborating with the aliens, we can steal their technology, build antimatter-matter powered spaceships armed with phasers, plasma torpedoes and antimatter warheads then politely burn the alien homeworld... or survive. One or the other.

[Belmaria]

And kill everyone else too?

Precisly. Its an all or nothing approach, that ensures that the aliens gain nothing from our demise. Its also possibly the coolest possible way for us as a world to die.

But if we survive the invasion we can fight back and potentially repel them. The chances of survival in that scenario are much higher than in the one you have laid out.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Precisly. Its an all or nothing approach, that ensures that the aliens gain nothing from our demise. Its also possibly the coolest possible way for us as a world to die.

But if we survive the invasion we can fight back and potentially repel them. The chances of survival in that scenario are much higher than in the one you have laid out.

This is a fictitious alien invasion scenario. I didnt realize chances of survival factored into this at all.
Hence the primary purpose of my approach: Deny them a habitable world to conquer

[The Nihilistic view]

Screw that, go nuclear and deny the invaders a habitable world to conquer.

Thats why we dont do nukes. By destroying the world, everyone dies.
By collaborating with the aliens, we can steal their technology, build antimatter-matter powered spaceships armed with phasers, plasma torpedoes and antimatter warheads then politely burn the alien homeworld... or survive. One or the other.

We might as well die, we have no point to being here and we screw up everything else. I say bring on an apocalypse.

[The Union of the West]

We could raise tariffs...

That would be great!

[Minarchist States]

Why are we talking about an alien invasion theory in the chamber?

[Byzantium Imperial]

Why are we talking about an alien invasion theory in the chamber?

We are discussing the defense budget

[Belmaria]

To get back to the budget discussion, here is a simplified tool that anyone can use to calculate tax rates with the libertarian budget proposal:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ifk3p8xvhwunuiw/tax.html

[Great Nepal]

Why are we talking about an alien invasion theory in the chamber?

Factors into necessity of defence budget since France, Spain and Italy wont invade us and we spend more than Algeria. Thus, only reason we would need larger budget is to fight aliens.

We might as well die, we have no point to being here and we screw up everything else. I say bring on an apocalypse.

I want to live till the singularity, thanks.

We could raise tariffs...

That would be great!

No, this isn't 18th century.

[New Bierstaat]

I'm not sure if it's bad form to post this in the Chamber during debate, but I thought it best since this is where we're talking about it. This is the updated and best explained version.

Responsible Budget of 2013
Authors: Belmaria (LP) New Bierstaat (LP) Urgency: Severe SIMBEDS Category: Business and Finance Sponsors: Skeckoa (LP) Central and Eastern Visayas (Ind) Nihilistic View (IP)

Personal Taxation:
The following formula will be used to allocate tax rates to various income levels. The highest tax rate shall be 40%.

The maximum tax rate, given as b in the formula, will be set at 40%.
The maximum standard tax deduction, given as c in the formula, will be set at 40%.
The base taxable income unit, given as a in the formula, will be set at 20,000 GBP.
The decreasing deduction factor, given as r in the formula, will be set at two (2).

Explanation:
The maximum standard tax deduction shall be applied to individuals with an income of -0- in the past year.
For every base taxable income unit earned by the taxpayer, the maximum standard tax deduction will be divided by the decreasing deduction factor once. The result is the individual tax deduction to which the taxpayer is entitled. This deduction will be subtracted from the maximum tax rate to determine the tax rate paid by the taxpayer.

Business Taxation:

The formula used in the personal tax calculations above will be used for business taxation, with the following modifications:

The maximum tax rate, given as b in the formula, will be set at 30%.
The maximum standard tax deduction, given as c in the formula, will be set at 25%.
The base taxable income unit, given as a in the formula, will be set at 1,000,000 GBP.
The decreasing deduction factor, given as r in the formula, will be set at ten (10).

Spending allocation:
The following list outlines amounts of funding to be allocated to each area of government.
Defense - £15,000,000,000
Labour - £42,500,000,000
Justice - £12,500,000,000
Administration - £5,000,000,000
Education - £40,000,000,000
Research and Environment - £10,000,000,000
Infrastructure and Communications - £25,000,000,000
Energy - £25,000,000,000
Health - £80,000,000,000


Overall Figures:
Personal Income Tax Revenue: £144,422,034,907.03
Business Income Tax Revenue: £104,778,834,972.29
Tariff Revenue: £16,500,000,000
Total Revenue: £265,700,869,879

Expenditures: £255,000,000,000

Operating Surplus: £10,700,869,879

[The Union of the West]

Why are we talking about an alien invasion theory in the chamber?

*puts on tin foil hat*
Yea it's best we stop talking about it now...
I definitely don't support the government budget, and I'm still debating the other one.