NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate] - Version 3

[Brissia]

Alright, I'll address the root cause of all of these objections with this one statement:

Children are not just vertically challenged adults. They do not understand what is good for them, they can not be relied upon to make their own decisions and they are not capable of making certain choices.

There is a reason why minors can't vote, why they aren't prosecuted as harshly by the law, why they aren't even allowed to opt out of education. The only "human rights" that should be afforded to a minor are the rights to live free from hunger, abuse, neglect, and other inhumane conditions. They do not get a political say, they do not get to pick their religion while under their parents' authority and they do not get to opt out of their green vegetables because it is a "breach of their rights of ingestion."

THANK YOU.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Alright, I'll address the root cause of all of these objections with this one statement:

Children are not just vertically challenged adults. They do not understand what is good for them, they can not be relied upon to make their own decisions and they are not capable of making certain choices.

There is a reason why minors can't vote, why they aren't persecuted as harshly by the law, why they aren't even allowed to opt out of education. The only "human rights" that should be afforded to a minor are the rights to live free from hunger, abuse, neglect, and other inhumane conditions. They do not get a political say, they do not get to pick their religion while under their parents' authority and they do not get to opt out of their green vegetables because it is a "breach of their rights of ingestion."

That is very true; and governments, society and the World as a whole seems to understand that. But here, of course as always, things get wild.

[Gothmogs]

Alright, I'll address the root cause of all of these objections with this one statement:

Children are not just vertically challenged adults. They do not understand what is good for them, they can not be relied upon to make their own decisions and they are not capable of making certain choices.

There is a reason why minors can't vote, why they aren't prosecuted as harshly by the law, why they aren't even allowed to opt out of education. The only "human rights" that should be afforded to a minor are the rights to live free from hunger, abuse, neglect, and other inhumane conditions. They do not get a political say, they do not get to pick their religion while under their parents' authority and they do not get to opt out of their green vegetables because it is a "breach of their rights of ingestion."

As a minor myself, I have to agree. Except for the underlined.

[Threlizdun]

Oh look, its godwin's law. I wondered when this would show up in the chamber. (The red highlight.)

And it's something they must answer yes to if they wish to be consistent.

I call for a removal of that unfoundly statement, Senator. You seem to view religion as something very black and white. My parents took me to church for not only the liturgical or prayer sense, but also the community, friendship, and outward service. I do not view religion as the most important thing in my life, but I value it because of the aforestated phrases. You say that religion has no actual importance, that is your personal belief, and not a fact.

Community, friendship, and outward service can be found through alternative means that do not carry any negative consequences and can be scientifically verified. I'm afraid I cannot retract that statement because there is no objective evidence that religion has any importance other than that which the followers believe it has.

I decided to ignore it. At this point I have been insulted and offended so much since yesterday, that the insult does not really have the same impact that it intends to have.

I'll use one I actually encountered then. Having lived in rural Virginia, I have met children that have attended Klu Klux Klan rallies. Do parents have the right to force children to attend Klan rallies?

[Mediciano]

As a minor myself, I have to agree. Except for the underlined.

Yes, that part is incorrect. But its correctness is irrelevant to the overall message, in my opinion.

[Britanno]

As I said, children do have the right to have a say in matters that affect them. That is international law. They also have the right to decide their own religion, political views, sexuality etc.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Alright, I'll address the root cause of all of these objections with this one statement:

Children are not just vertically challenged adults. They do not understand what is good for them, they can not be relied upon to make their own decisions and they are not capable of making certain choices.

There is a reason why minors can't vote, why they aren't prosecuted as harshly by the law, why they aren't even allowed to opt out of education. The only "human rights" that should be afforded to a minor are the rights to live free from hunger, abuse, neglect, and other inhumane conditions. They do not get a political say, they do not get to pick their religion while under their parents' authority and they do not get to opt out of their green vegetables because it is a "breach of their rights of ingestion."

As a minor myself, I have to agree. Except for the underlined.

Thank you! Of course another point come into mind that when the child becomes a teenager, he/she chooses what to believe and what not to.

[HumanSanity]

Alright, I'll address the root cause of all of these objections with this one statement:

Children are not just vertically challenged adults. They do not understand what is good for them, they can not be relied upon to make their own decisions and they are not capable of making certain choices.

There is a reason why minors can't vote, why they aren't persecuted as harshly by the law, why they aren't even allowed to opt out of education. The only "human rights" that should be afforded to a minor are the rights to live free from hunger, abuse, neglect, and other inhumane conditions. They do not get a political say, they do not get to pick their religion while under their parents' authority and they do not get to opt out of their green vegetables because it is a "breach of their rights of ingestion."

Actually, they do (see underlined part).

I am with the President. I am insulted that Mediciano thinks so little of minors

[Threlizdun]

And? It still calls for the violation of children's rights because it inconvenience's parents.

It is oppression of the poor. (I went there. ) Poor parents will not be able to go to church because they can't hire someone to watch their child while they are gone.

Well then I guess they're going to have to do the responsible thing and care for their children. If they want to worship in private, then they can. If they want to take turns, then that is also fine. However, they do not get to ignore the rights of their children because it is inconvenient.

[Threlizdun]

As I said, children do have the right to have a say in matters that affect them. That is international law. They also have the right to decide their own religion, political views, sexuality etc.

Could we please make that clear to the other Senators that what they are advocating is not only wrong, but illegal in accordance to numerous laws we already have in effect?

[Mediciano]

As I said, children do have the right to have a say in matters that affect them. That is international law. They also have the right to decide their own religion, political views, sexuality etc.

No. Children do not. Teenagers do, but children do not. Before they reach puberty, children are wholly reliant upon their parents and largely incapable of making their own decisions.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

As I said, children do have the right to have a say in matters that affect them. That is international law. They also have the right to decide their own religion, political views, sexuality etc.

Could we please make that clear to the other Senators that what they are advocating is not only wrong, but illegal in accordance to numerous laws we already have in effect?

As I said, children do have the right to have a say in matters that affect them. That is international law. They also have the right to decide their own religion, political views, sexuality etc.

No. Children do not. Teenagers do, but children do not. Before they reach puberty, children are wholly reliant upon their parents and largely incapable of making their own decisions.

[Mediciano]

It is oppression of the poor. (I went there. ) Poor parents will not be able to go to church because they can't hire someone to watch their child while they are gone.

Well then I guess they're going to have to do the responsible thing and care for their children. If they want to worship in private, then they can. If they want to take turns, then that is also fine. However, they do not get to ignore the rights of their children because it is inconvenient.

So a single parent, financially challenged, is limited in their capacity to worship?

[Threlizdun]

As I said, children do have the right to have a say in matters that affect them. That is international law. They also have the right to decide their own religion, political views, sexuality etc.

No. Children do not. Teenagers do, but children do not. Before they reach puberty, children are wholly reliant upon their parents and largely incapable of making their own decisions.

I'm afraid I must disagree from personal experience. I had others tell me Biblical stories when I was a five, and I explained to people thirty years my senior why what they were talking about is scientifically impossible. If prompted, kids are absolutely capable of rational thought.

[Britanno]

As I said, children do have the right to have a say in matters that affect them. That is international law. They also have the right to decide their own religion, political views, sexuality etc.

No. Children do not. Teenagers do, but children do not. Before they reach puberty, children are wholly reliant upon their parents and largely incapable of making their own decisions.

Actually they do, according to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

[Mediciano]

I'm afraid I must disagree from personal experience. I had others tell me Biblical stories when I was a five, and I explained to people thirty years my senior why what they were talking about is scientifically impossible. If prompted, kids are absolutely capable of rational thought.

Clearly you were incapable of understanding that these stories were metaphors, not history. I'm glad you have chosen to support my opinion that children are not capable of understanding the scope of things.

[Mediciano]

No. Children do not. Teenagers do, but children do not. Before they reach puberty, children are wholly reliant upon their parents and largely incapable of making their own decisions.

Actually they do, according to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The UN is a joke. Let's face it, not a single member country follows all of its laws.

[HumanSanity]

I'm afraid I must disagree from personal experience. I had others tell me Biblical stories when I was a five, and I explained to people thirty years my senior why what they were talking about is scientifically impossible. If prompted, kids are absolutely capable of rational thought.

Clearly you were incapable of understanding that these stories were metaphors, not history. I'm glad you have chosen to support my opinion that children are not capable of understanding the scope of things.

It's one thing for complain-y two year olds to need to go to Church and another for well considering teens or older children to make a decision that they wish to deliberately abstain from a type of faith. I understand that this resolution could be misconstrued but I still stand by it in principle

[Threlizdun]

So a single parent, financially challenged, is limited in their capacity to worship?

Apparently

I'm afraid I must disagree from personal experience. I had others tell me Biblical stories when I was a five, and I explained to people thirty years my senior why what they were talking about is scientifically impossible. If prompted, kids are absolutely capable of rational thought.

Clearly you were incapable of understanding that these stories were metaphors, not history. I'm glad you have chosen to support my opinion that children are not capable of understanding the scope of things.

Those people told me they were history. Many people believe they were histories. The metaphor aspect is one of many interpretations of them, and even then I could recognize at the time that several of them were terrible metaphors.

[Britanno]

Actually they do, according to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The UN is a joke. Let's face it, not a single member country follows all of its laws.

Finally. You've given up because you know you're beat.

[Threlizdun]

It's one thing for complain-y two year olds to need to go to Church and another for well considering teens or older children to make a decision that they wish to deliberately abstain from a type of faith. I understand that this resolution could be misconstrued but I still stand by it in principle

I deliberately abstained at five though because it went against everything I knew was right.

[Mediciano]

It's one thing for complain-y two year olds to need to go to Church and another for well considering teens or older children to make a decision that they wish to deliberately abstain from a type of faith. I understand that this resolution could be misconstrued but I still stand by it in principle

Children shouldn't be ripped from their parents' arms because they don't like celebrating Passover. A stable family life is far more beneficial in the formative years than complete religious freedom.

[Maklohi Vai]

Relevant portions of the UN Declaration, just so people know:

2. The child shall enjoy special protection, and shall be given opportunities and facilities, by law and by other means, to enable him to develop physically, mentally, morally, spiritually and socially in a healthy and normal manner and in conditions of freedom and dignity. In the enactment of laws for this purpose, the best interests of the child shall be the paramount consideration.

7. The best interests of the child shall be the guiding principle of those responsible for his education and guidance; that responsibility lies in the first place with his parents.

9. The child shall be protected against all forms of neglect, cruelty and exploitation.

10. The child shall be protected from practices which may foster racial, religious and any other form of discrimination. He shall be brought up in a spirit of understanding, tolerance, friendship among peoples, peace and universal brotherhood, and in full consciousness that his energy and talents should be devoted to the service of his fellow men.

Actually they do, according to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

The UN is a joke. Let's face it, not a single member country follows all of its laws.

Source that.

[Brissia]

Just a little comment: Kids who are younger than 10 usually have 1. No understanding of subjects such as religion and rights, and 2.Usually aren't bothered with caring. Did we, as youngsters, care about that guy kissing a guy? Nope, except for the fact that most of us probably thought that kissing is disgusting. It did not matter to me that my parents took me anywhere, unless it was the candy store. Kids just don't have that 'caring span' big enough for politics, religion, and civil rights.

[Mediciano]

The UN is a joke. Let's face it, not a single member country follows all of its laws.

Finally. You've given up because you know you're beat.

You honestly think parents shouldn't be able to bring their kids to church if the kids don't feel like going?