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[Sahrani DR]

I like this comment, because it introduces a new issue. I would like to work on this point.

I literally said the same thing one post beforehand, with some examples.

I'm sorry that i failed to see the same thing through what you wrote.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

The idea that any person, no matter how old or young, should be prohibited from participating in a religious activity is both ridiculous and a travesty.

Also, I agree with the Cowboy - banning parents from making their kids go to church realistically means some bad things. I'll be voting against this, and I encourage all who are pro-religious freedom to do the same.

I completely agree.

[Mediciano]

The idea that any person, no matter how old or young, should be prohibited from participating in a religious activity is both ridiculous and a travesty.

Also, I agree with the Cowboy - banning parents from making their kids go to church realistically means some bad things. I'll be voting against this, and I encourage all who are pro-religious freedom to do the same.

I completely agree.

I know I'll be voting against this bill, as it effectively removes parental control from their children.

Honestly, we need to stop seeing children as abnormally-short adults. They're not.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I think that clause should be taken out. As our dear Senator said, children do not have maturity in their judgement, so they can't really decide if they want to go or not, maybe because of a TV (as a Senator mentioned), not necessarily because the child does not agree with the religion.

I agree. Remove this clause or this bill will fail.

True. Not to overreact, but today is this, what's tomorrow? Forbidding parents to sign their children to sports? Forbidding parents to ground their children?

[Britanno]

This is very true. But i think that a children under a certain age may mistake X religion they practise with the parental authority that has taught them to do so. For a young mind, free choice and parental authority may become one in a later age. But i would like to hear other opinions.

A child's parents may go out on a protest, and the child may have to go with them, this meaning their political opinions might be influenced despite them only being 3. Does this mean that we should ban parents of 3 year olds from protesting? Oh what, that's another human rights abuse.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I completely agree.

I know I'll be voting against this bill, as it effectively removes parental control from their children.

Honestly, we need to stop seeing children as abnormally-short adults. They're not.

That is true. Not only that, but if this bill passes, it would create a precedent for future bills regarding the control and autonomy that parents have over their children.

[The Nihilistic view]

I agree. Remove this clause or this bill will fail.

True. Not to overreact, but today is this, what's tomorrow? Forbidding parents to sign their children to sports? Forbidding parents to ground their children?

Exactly, this is just a communist attempt to control what the population do.

[Mediciano]

I literally said the same thing one post beforehand, with some examples.

I'm sorry that i failed to see the same thing through what you wrote.

Apology accepted. I forgive you.

[Britanno]

It is important to give children the opportunity to make themselves heard (see my Youth Senate bill) but they should not are control of their lives completely.

[Mediciano]

It is important to give children the opportunity to make themselves heard (see my Youth Senate bill) but they should not are control of their lives completely.

Thank God for sensible people.

[Mediciano]

It is important to give children the opportunity to make themselves heard (see my Youth Senate bill) but they should not are control of their lives completely.

Thank God for sensible people.

*Oops, not allowed to say that...*

[New Bierstaat]

True. Not to overreact, but today is this, what's tomorrow? Forbidding parents to sign their children to sports? Forbidding parents to ground their children?

Exactly, this is just a communist attempt to control what the population do.

What would probably happen is that by banning parents from making their kids go to church, a large percentage of our children would grow up to be atheists, and eventually we'd have a voting majority willing to vote to ban religion.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

It is important to give children the opportunity to make themselves heard (see my Youth Senate bill) but they should not are control of their lives completely.

I agree.

[Britanno]

It is important to give children the opportunity to make themselves heard (see my Youth Senate bill) but they should not are control of their lives completely.

I agree.

Can I count on your vote for the Youth Senate Act!

[Sahrani DR]

True. Not to overreact, but today is this, what's tomorrow? Forbidding parents to sign their children to sports? Forbidding parents to ground their children?

Exactly, this is just a communist attempt to control what the population do.

Could you refrain from accusing me of things that were never in my intention?
I never states that promoting religion amonst children is just an attempt of the right to spread religion among the innocent.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Exactly, this is just a communist attempt to control what the population do.

What would probably happen is that by banning parents from making their kids go to church, a large percentage of our children would grow up to be atheists, and eventually we'd have a voting majority willing to vote to ban religion.

I was thinking about that. Very good point Senator. It's similar when extremist governments add to the school curriculum political propaganda so that when children grow up they all support the regimes.

[Mediciano]

Frankly, there is also no way to enforce this act. Are we really going to arrest every parent who ignores it, brings their kid to church and gets reported to the Gest...er... police by their kid? Do we have a system for the management of that many parentless children? The state would be bankrupt within a week.

[Sahrani DR]

Exactly, this is just a communist attempt to control what the population do.

What would probably happen is that by banning parents from making their kids go to church, a large percentage of our children would grow up to be atheists, and eventually we'd have a voting majority willing to vote to ban religion.

So you say that if people weren't taught religion in young age, they wouldn't be religious at all?
That's an interesting point you make...

also, there is difference between being atheist, which i am, or antitheist, which i am not and which i reject.

[Mediciano]

Could you refrain from accusing me of things that were never in my intention?
I never states that promoting religion amonst children is just an attempt of the right to spread religion among the innocent.

So religion is corrupting the innocent? I'm sorry senator but, from now on, I will be ignoring your fanatical nonsense. I suggest everyone else do the same. He is purely a sensationalist, the Senatorial equivalent of an internet troll.

[New Bierstaat]

What would probably happen is that by banning parents from making their kids go to church, a large percentage of our children would grow up to be atheists, and eventually we'd have a voting majority willing to vote to ban religion.

So you say that if people weren't taught religion in young age, they wouldn't be religious at all?
That's an interesting point you make...

I'm not saying all people, but certainly children who grow up atheist are more likely to stay atheist as adults, the same way that children who grow up Christian are more likely to stay Christian as adults and children who grow up Jewish are more likely to stay Jewish as adults, etc., so percentages of religious people would certainly drop if not plunge.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Frankly, there is also no way to enforce this act. Are we really going to arrest every parent who ignores it, brings their kid to church and gets reported to the Gest...er... police by their kid? Do we have a system for the management of that many parentless children? The state would be bankrupt within a week.

Exactly. The only way I see that clause getting enforced (which I do not support it) is to put a camera in every single home and watch the parents 24/7. Either that or hope for a child to call the Police. This clause is an outrageous way to invade the privacy of homes and the invasion of basic rights.

[Sahrani DR]

What would probably happen is that by banning parents from making their kids go to church, a large percentage of our children would grow up to be atheists, and eventually we'd have a voting majority willing to vote to ban religion.

I was thinking about that. Very good point Senator. It's similar when extremist governments add to the school curriculum political propaganda so that when children grow up they all support the regimes.

This is not true.
Political propaganda in school is the addition of political indoctrination to normal activities in school.
No religious practice for the underage is the lack of a religious activity among normal activities in school.

[New Bierstaat]

Could you refrain from accusing me of things that were never in my intention?
I never stated that promoting religion amonst children is just an attempt of the right to spread religion among the innocent.

So religion is corrupting the innocent? I'm sorry senator but, from now on, I will be ignoring your fanatical nonsense. I suggest everyone else do the same. He is purely a sensationalist, the Senatorial equivalent of an internet troll.

Could you refrain from accusing me of things that were never in my intention?
I never stated that promoting religion amonst children is just an attempt of the right to spread religion among the innocent.

So religion is corrupting the innocent? I'm sorry senator but, from now on, I will be ignoring your fanatical nonsense. I suggest everyone else do the same. He is purely a sensationalist, the Senatorial equivalent of an internet troll.

Could you refrain from accusing me of things that were never in my intention?
I never stated that promoting religion amonst children is just an attempt of the right to spread religion among the innocent.

So religion is corrupting the innocent? I'm sorry senator but, from now on, I will be ignoring your fanatical nonsense. I suggest everyone else do the same. He is purely a sensationalist, the Senatorial equivalent of an internet troll.

[Sahrani DR]

Could you refrain from accusing me of things that were never in my intention?
I never states that promoting religion amonst children is just an attempt of the right to spread religion among the innocent.

So religion is corrupting the innocent? I'm sorry senator but, from now on, I will be ignoring your fanatical nonsense. I suggest everyone else do the same. He is purely a sensationalist, the Senatorial equivalent of an internet troll.

It was sacrasm, as it felt absurd to me the accusation of "Communist ban of religion"

[New Bierstaat]

I was thinking about that. Very good point Senator. It's similar when extremist governments add to the school curriculum political propaganda so that when children grow up they all support the regimes.

This is not true.
Political propaganda in school is the addition of political indoctrination to normal activities in school.
No religious practice for the underage is the lack of a religious activity among normal activities in school.

No, you said you wanted all children under the age of 12 to be banned from organized religious activity.