Aurentine Constitutional Convention [NSG Senate]

[The Nihilistic view]

Once again, Senator, no one is advocating establishing a national monarchy. We wish to establish a subnational monarchy in a majority monarchist region.

You still wish to establish a monarchy, so the scale of this does not matter. It still directly contradicts and undermines the establishment of the Republic, something that was voted on by the Senate. I think any movement to establish a monarchy, even on the local provincial level would require that this legislation be repealed.

How many times do you have to be told that that bill only talks about the national level before it sinks in?

[The Nihilistic view]

You still wish to establish a monarchy, so the scale of this does not matter. It still directly contradicts and undermines the establishment of the Republic, something that was voted on by the Senate. I think any movement to establish a monarchy, even on the local provincial level would require that this legislation be repealed.

You're saying the unicorn doesn't exist while insisting that a chimera isn't dangerous. You want to avoid undermining the republic by advocating anti-democratic actions? That is quite telling, sir. Please, just how is it that the irony is lost on you? How can you insist on a democratic governance while insisting that a third of the population should have no say in their representative?

That sir is one of the best analogies I have ever seem on NS. Bravo.

[Glasgia]

Let me phrase this a diferrent way, for the monarchists out there. You are essentially allowing each province to elect it's own Premier. Remember, Stalin only has thirty two percent of Russians labelling him as a negatively. If that was Aurentina, would you allow constituents to suffer eternally for the mistakes made by another generation, electing a psychopath locally?

The reason democracy works is the need for re-election. This is what stops abuse of the system and abuse of power. If a President was to command a majority enough to pass hugely unpopular or abusive laws, yet legal, then they would know they wouldn't be re-elected. A monarch, even a monarch-elect, does not have that problem and even if the politics of the constituency change.

(I also think that some of you guys would quite like to elect yourself as monarchs of your own provinces, though you're probably all gonna go "No! What, me?" now I've said that)

[Glasgia]

You still wish to establish a monarchy, so the scale of this does not matter. It still directly contradicts and undermines the establishment of the Republic, something that was voted on by the Senate. I think any movement to establish a monarchy, even on the local provincial level would require that this legislation be repealed.

You're saying the unicorn doesn't exist while insisting that a chimera isn't dangerous. You want to avoid undermining the republic by advocating anti-democratic actions? That is quite telling, sir. Please, just how is it that the irony is lost on you? How can you insist on a democratic governance while insisting that a third of the population should have no say in their representative?

I'm sorry, how would a third of the population have no say in their representative with the current system? I was certain I was elected.

[Gothmogs]

You're saying the unicorn doesn't exist while insisting that a chimera isn't dangerous. You want to avoid undermining the republic by advocating anti-democratic actions? That is quite telling, sir. Please, just how is it that the irony is lost on you? How can you insist on a democratic governance while insisting that a third of the population should have no say in their representative?

I'm sorry, how would a third of the population have no say in their representative with the current system? I was certain I was elected.

Yeah, where did that number come from...

[The Nihilistic view]

(I also think that some of you guys would quite like to elect yourself as monarchs of your own provinces, though you're probably all gonna go "No! What, me?" now I've said that)

Is that not the same for the republicans? They wan't to be presidents and governors. Really I can't believe somebody would be naive enough think that this only cut one way.

[The Nihilistic view]

I'm sorry, how would a third of the population have no say in their representative with the current system? I was certain I was elected.

Yeah, where did that number come from...

The REA v monarchy vote a couple of months ago.

[Malgrave]

You still wish to establish a monarchy, so the scale of this does not matter. It still directly contradicts and undermines the establishment of the Republic, something that was voted on by the Senate. I think any movement to establish a monarchy, even on the local provincial level would require that this legislation be repealed.

How many times do you have to be told that that bill only talks about the national level before it sinks in?

It just talks about the establishment of a democratic republic. I don't see anything about it sticking to the national level.

You're saying the unicorn doesn't exist while insisting that a chimera isn't dangerous. You want to avoid undermining the republic by advocating anti-democratic actions? That is quite telling, sir. Please, just how is it that the irony is lost on you? How can you insist on a democratic governance while insisting that a third of the population should have no say in their representative?

How am I pushing for undemocratic actions? Our senate is comprised of democratically elected representatives that voted on establishing this nation as a Republic and rejecting Monarchy. Provinces must still abide by legislature passed by the national government after all.

[Gothmogs]

Yeah, where did that number come from...

The REA v monarchy vote a couple of months ago.

I must have missed that somehow.

[Belmaria]

I am opposed to any type of monarchy in our nation, be it national or provincial. Be it elected or not, monarchy gives government way too much power and I am staunchly opposed to such a system.

[Glasgia]

(I also think that some of you guys would quite like to elect yourself as monarchs of your own provinces, though you're probably all gonna go "No! What, me?" now I've said that)

Is that not the same for the republicans? They wan't to be presidents and governors. Really I can't believe somebody would be naive enough think that this only cut one way.

Yeah, but our President is elected through RP process and no one wants to be a governer. I'm talking about people casually deciding that they were elected for life, as I can't think of a way to RP it and these elections are the kinda thing that needs to be RPed.

[Belmaria]

Is that not the same for the republicans? They wan't to be presidents and governors. Really I can't believe somebody would be naive enough think that this only cut one way.

Yeah, but our President is elected through RP process and no one wants to be a governer. I'm talking about people casually deciding that they were elected for life, as I can't think of a way to RP it and these elections are the kinda thing that needs to be RPed.

Agreed.

[The Nihilistic view]

Is that not the same for the republicans? They wan't to be presidents and governors. Really I can't believe somebody would be naive enough think that this only cut one way.

Yeah, but our President is elected through RP process and no one wants to be a governer. I'm talking about people casually deciding that they were elected for life, as I can't think of a way to RP it and these elections are the kinda thing that needs to be RPed.

Quite easy, same way we do a presidential election but only those who have a constituency in the region can vote.

[Belmaria]

Yeah, but our President is elected through RP process and no one wants to be a governer. I'm talking about people casually deciding that they were elected for life, as I can't think of a way to RP it and these elections are the kinda thing that needs to be RPed.

Quite easy, same way we do a presidential election but only those who have a constituency in the region can vote.

Will this be determined by the interactive map project? And will there be a legislature for each province as well?

[Glasgia]

Yeah, but our President is elected through RP process and no one wants to be a governer. I'm talking about people casually deciding that they were elected for life, as I can't think of a way to RP it and these elections are the kinda thing that needs to be RPed.

Quite easy, same way we do a presidential election but only those who have a constituency in the region can vote.

So we have, what, ten diferrent elections based on constituencies which most people (not including me, but most people) can't be bothered to choose? Isn't that kinda an organisational nightmare?

Also, I notice you choose to avoid the rest of my argument. Scared of something?

[Malgrave]

Yeah, but our President is elected through RP process and no one wants to be a governer. I'm talking about people casually deciding that they were elected for life, as I can't think of a way to RP it and these elections are the kinda thing that needs to be RPed.

Agreed.

Libertarian Capitalists, Socialists and Communists agree.

[Belmaria]

Agreed.

Libertarian Capitalists, Socialists and Communists agree.

That's a first

[The Nihilistic view]

Quite easy, same way we do a presidential election but only those who have a constituency in the region can vote.

So we have, what, ten diferrent elections based on constituencies which most people (not including me, but most people) can't be bothered to choose? Isn't that kinda an organisational nightmare?

Also, I notice you choose to avoid the rest of my argument. Scared of something?

No its irrelevant as I have told you how to do it. Nobody is forcing you to get involved locally, you don't have to. It is also irrelevant as we have Chosen to have local government by a vote so whether monarchs are able to be created or not we still have to sort out the elections and who is in charge. I am happy to RP this as other monarchists are so I should think their will be a couple of monarchs as will will vote for it in our region.

[Glasgia]

So we have, what, ten diferrent elections based on constituencies which most people (not including me, but most people) can't be bothered to choose? Isn't that kinda an organisational nightmare?

Also, I notice you choose to avoid the rest of my argument. Scared of something?

No its irrelevant as I have told you how to do it. Nobody is forcing you to get involved locally, you don't have to. It is also irrelevant as we have Chosen to have local government by a vote so whether monarchs are able to be created or not we still have to sort out the elections and who is in charge. I am happy to RP this as other monarchists are so I should think their will be a couple of monarchs as will will vote for it in our region.

You avoid my IC argument about monarchy...

[The Nihilistic view]

No its irrelevant as I have told you how to do it. Nobody is forcing you to get involved locally, you don't have to. It is also irrelevant as we have Chosen to have local government by a vote so whether monarchs are able to be created or not we still have to sort out the elections and who is in charge. I am happy to RP this as other monarchists are so I should think their will be a couple of monarchs as will will vote for it in our region.

You avoid my IC argument about monarchy...

No because your argument is not specific to monarchy. You can't be bothered to take part in local government so your argument is to get rid of it, well tough it has been voted for.

[Belmaria]

I will ask you again:

Will this be determined by the interactive map project? And will there be a legislature for each province as well?

I think if we can't even determine if it is possible, we shouldn't be arguing over implementation.

[Malgrave]

You avoid my IC argument about monarchy...

No because your argument is not specific to monarchy. You can't be bothered to take part in local government so your argument is to get rid of it, well tough it has been voted for.

What do you mean? We're a Republic.

[The Nihilistic view]

I will ask you again:

Will this be determined by the interactive map project? And will there be a legislature for each province as well?

I think if we can't even determine if it is possible, we shouldn't be arguing over implementation.

Of course its possible, its quite easy. just divide up the constituencies into groups and then the we have a vote within each one like a presidential election.

[The Nihilistic view]

No because your argument is not specific to monarchy. You can't be bothered to take part in local government so your argument is to get rid of it, well tough it has been voted for.

What do you mean? We're a Republic.

Time for my favorite picture.

[Glasgia]

You avoid my IC argument about monarchy...

No because your argument is not specific to monarchy. You can't be bothered to take part in local government so your argument is to get rid of it, well tough it has been voted for.

You did not read my argument then, the two paragraphs above my little OOC note are what I refer to.