Aurentine Constitutional Convention [NSG Senate]

[Great Nepal]

Economic policy, particularly property ownership rights, would be a major factor here.

Note that if this is allowed, we will want ability to have complete economic liberalisation within our provinces.

[Jetan]

Economic policy, particularly property ownership rights, would be a major factor here.

Note that if this is allowed, we will want ability to have complete economic liberalisation within our provinces.

Either of these is too much power for the provinces.

[Great Nepal]

Note that if this is allowed, we will want ability to have complete economic liberalisation within our provinces.

Either of these is too much power for the provinces.

Well thats why I said "if" left are given that right.

[Malgrave]

You can elect a monarch if you want to.

I meant the ability to implement nationally unpopular policy in areas where it is locally popular.

So I can start the nationalisation plans? I'm against any form of hereditary title especially that of a monarch. It undermines this countries democracy and the Republic we established. I can't sign off on an agreement that betrays these principles.

[Britanno]

No Yanalia, this is about the way a province is governed.

[Great Nepal]

I meant the ability to implement nationally unpopular policy in areas where it is locally popular.

So I can start the nationalisation plans?

As soon as I can start the privatisation plans.

I'm against any form of hereditary title especially that of a monarch. It undermines this countries democracy and the Republic we established. I can't sign off on an agreement that betrays these principles.

It is not a hereditary title.

[Jetan]

I meant the ability to implement nationally unpopular policy in areas where it is locally popular.

So I can start the nationalisation plans? I'm against any form of hereditary title especially that of a monarch. It undermines this countries democracy and the Republic we established. I can't sign off on an agreement that betrays these principles.

*Sigh* for umpteenth time, hereditary monarchy will not be legal.

[Distruzio]

So I can start the nationalisation plans? I'm against any form of hereditary title especially that of a monarch. It undermines this countries democracy and the Republic we established. I can't sign off on an agreement that betrays these principles.

*Sigh* for umpteenth time, hereditary monarchy will not be legal.

Or requested.

[Jetan]

*Sigh* for umpteenth time, hereditary monarchy will not be legal.

Or requested.

Indeed.

[Distruzio]

You can elect a monarch if you want to.

I meant the ability to implement nationally unpopular policy in areas where it is locally popular.

Forgive us for seeking to end the debate between republicans and monarchists amicably once and for all in a way that reinforces both democratic institutions as well as self-determination and political equality in a way that is favorable to monarchist interests. Forgive us for being conciliatory and willing to compromise on issues important to us for the good of the nation. I realize that this can be an unsatisfying republican victory as it is one that was invited by and encouraged by us rather than enforced upon us but, as I told Senator Battlion, sometimes adult conversations require adult considerations.

[Distruzio]

What kind of government do you want?

A socialist one. Economic policy, particularly property ownership rights, would be a major factor here.

In what way have we adopted a nationally unpopular economic policy?

[Malgrave]

*Sigh* for umpteenth time, hereditary monarchy will not be legal.

Or requested.

I'm just catching up, so excuse my idiotic mistake. I still don't support any form of monarchy however even elected.

[Distruzio]

Note that if this is allowed, we will want ability to have complete economic liberalisation within our provinces.

Either of these is too much power for the provinces.

Indeed, I agree. Although... I can see ways that could secure national control of economic factors while allowing provincial oversight... but, as I said, I agree with you.

[Maklohi Vai]

I like the proposed text in principle, but I don't like how vague the taxation section is. What were you thinking about for that?

I wanted to avoid specifying exactly what taxes could be levied while preventing someone declaring 100% tax on everything!!!, so I thought 5 forms of taxes, each one capped at 10% each couldn't do much harm even when taken up by extremists.

"5 forms" is entirely too vague and leads to an infinite amount of loopholes, not to mention it's very shoddy wording for tax law.

[Distruzio]

I wanted to avoid specifying exactly what taxes could be levied while preventing someone declaring 100% tax on everything!!!, so I thought 5 forms of taxes, each one capped at 10% each couldn't do much harm even when taken up by extremists.

"5 forms" is entirely too vague and leads to an infinite amount of loopholes, not to mention it's very shoddy wording for tax law.

Counter suggestions?

[Maklohi Vai]

"5 forms" is entirely too vague and leads to an infinite amount of loopholes, not to mention it's very shoddy wording for tax law.

Counter suggestions?

Be specific in what provinces can do, like "May lay up to a 5% sales tax on all non-essential goods; May lay up to a 10% tax on corporations." Something along those lines.

[Yanalia]

Are we not discussing the powers of the provinces? Or only their governments?

[Distruzio]

Are we not discussing the powers of the provinces? Or only their governments?

We're discussing the relationship between the provincial executives and the national government.

[Polvia]

We're discussing the relationship between the provincial executives and the national government.

Ceremonial provincial governments that oversee the performances of unitary authorities (local government). Unitary authorities do not play much more than an administrative role in executing the Acts of the Senate, though they do engage in such things as city-planning.

To be honest, this is about as far as I'd be willing to go with regards to a federation. I might be willing to give a tad more autonomy to unitary authorities should we moved towards more a centralized system of government, though to be honest I believe that the national government should be the ruling authority in most areas.

[Old Tyrannia]

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Although, I will admit that I would be willing to settle for an elective monarchy. I can't speak for the other monarchists though.

Great, so thats fine.
Only other monarchist in the convention is OT, and to my knowledge he hasn't objected to elective monarchy.

Objecting now. I demand the right to institute a hereditary monarchy, even if the dynastic founder must be elected and subsequent monarchs confirmed by a vote in the provincial legislature.

[The Nihilistic view]

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Although, I will admit that I would be willing to settle for an elective monarchy. I can't speak for the other monarchists though.

Great, so thats fine.
Only other monarchist in the convention is OT, and to my knowledge he hasn't objected to elective monarchy.

Ahem!

[Old Tyrannia]

Great, so thats fine.
Only other monarchist in the convention is OT, and to my knowledge he hasn't objected to elective monarchy.

Ahem!

Lord de Pheffle, what is your opinion on having an elective monarchy in a province?

[Great Nepal]

Great, so thats fine.
Only other monarchist in the convention is OT, and to my knowledge he hasn't objected to elective monarchy.

Objecting now. I demand the right to institute a hereditary monarchy, even if the dynastic founder must be elected and subsequent monarchs confirmed by a vote in the provincial legislature.

No, that is undemocratic to its core.

[Yanalia]

Great, so thats fine.
Only other monarchist in the convention is OT, and to my knowledge he hasn't objected to elective monarchy.

Objecting now. I demand the right to institute a hereditary monarchy, even if the dynastic founder must be elected and subsequent monarchs confirmed by a vote in the provincial legislature.

As opposed as can be. Hereditary rule is not at all acceptable. I find the allowances given already way too much as is.

[The Nihilistic view]

Ahem!

Lord de Pheffle, what is your opinion on having an elective monarchy in a province?

I would prefer if it was hereditary held by those of royal blood. If it must be elected I believe only those of blue blood should be allowed to stand.