TET: Surfin' Surfin' WIND Surfin'!

[Grenartia]

I'm confused.

If you can keep confidentiality, I'll talk about it in a TG.

Yeah, I can. Feel free to shoot me one.

[The Truth and Light]

I don't even think having a penis makes you male at this point. It just makes you a person with a penis.

Well, sex and gender are different concepts. Having two standard human biological sexes (and a few non-standard ones) is useful and necessary, especially from a medical perspective. Obviously penis isn't the sole indicator of being of the male sex, but it is one of the more... eye-catching ones.

Can we retire the term, "male sex", then, and find something else? Because male as a term is highly gendered and it's inappropriate to use it to describe sex. (some people are even coming to question whether sex is really as intrinsic as we think it is, but I digress.)

[Luziyca]

The same issue, every day or twice a day? Jesus. That''d be fucking boring.

It is said that there is a mythical second issue, which makes you make the choice between outlawing public education and murdering all Palestinians on Earth.

WOW. I wonder what the forums would be like on HippoStates...

[Luveria]

Not at all. I happen to have a main preference for women with penises. That doesn't make them male at all.

If you excuse me, I need to barf. How is that possible?

I know how. That question was rhetorical.

That demonstrates why transphobia is an issue. My point is a penis has nothing to do with someone being male or female.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_people

[The Truth and Light]

I don't even think having a penis makes you male at this point. It just makes you a person with a penis.

That's going too far.

Why? Imo, sex is a very superficial category and gender is what's real and what defines our identities at the end of the day.

[Grenartia]

Not at all. I happen to have a main preference for women with penises. That doesn't make them male at all.

If you excuse me, I need to barf.

Is that really necessary?

[Coffee Cakes]

He's the "anti-bullying crusader" that bullies Christians, right?
Not much wrong with him besides pants-shitting levels of hypocrisy. /my two cents

I'd forgotten about that... and it's especially bad given that A. being gay, he ought to know better, and B. LGBT Christians are actually a thing.

I'm easy to forgive people for asshattery like that, but I don't often forget about it.

But him and his ilk... and fundie nutters, are part of the reason why the groups I tend to care about most (I'm not good at showing or expressing it, though, never have been good with emotions) is gay and trans* Christians, because they get absolutely hammered by just about anybody in society with a soapbox and a bullhorn.

[Astrolinium]

Well, sex and gender are different concepts. Having two standard human biological sexes (and a few non-standard ones) is useful and necessary, especially from a medical perspective. Obviously penis isn't the sole indicator of being of the male sex, but it is one of the more... eye-catching ones.

Can we retire the term, "male sex", then, and find something else? Because male as a term is highly gendered and it's inappropriate to use it to describe sex. (some people are even coming to question whether sex is really as intrinsic as we think it is, but I digress.)

Well, what else would we call the major sexes besides male and female? Those are established, scientific terms.

[Luveria]

If you excuse me, I need to barf.

Is that really necessary?

As if trans people don't already get called disgusting on a daily basis.

[Seitonjin]

Is this a bad time to come in?

[The Truth and Light]

Can we retire the term, "male sex", then, and find something else? Because male as a term is highly gendered and it's inappropriate to use it to describe sex. (some people are even coming to question whether sex is really as intrinsic as we think it is, but I digress.)

Well, what else would we call the major sexes besides male and female? Those are established, scientific terms.

What do you mean what else? Anything else. Find names to describe the nature of the genitals and gonads of each sex, or the hormones associate with each sex. Just because it's established doesn't mean it couldn't be changed to something more practical and more accurate.

Besides, it's just an idea.

[Lordieth]

Is that really necessary?

As if trans people don't already get called disgusting on a daily basis.

Well, to be fair, he doesn't have to like your preferences.

There are such things as respect and mindfulness, however.

[Bodobol]

1984 officially has the Bob's 'Worst Ending of the Year' Award.

[Lordieth]

Is this a bad time to come in?

Never. All are welcome in TET.

[Seitonjin]

As if trans people don't already get called disgusting on a daily basis.

Well, to be fair, he doesn't have to like your preferences.

There are such things are respect and mindfulness, however.

To be completely honest, we are all humans. No one is "more" or "less" than the other.

[Astrolinium]

Well, what else would we call the major sexes besides male and female? Those are established, scientific terms.

What do you mean what else? Anything else. Find names to describe the nature of the genitals and gonads of each sex, or the hormones associate with each sex. Just because it's established doesn't mean it couldn't be changed to something more practical and more accurate.

Besides, it's just an idea.

I mean, arguably gender should be the one to find new words as I'd argue it's the more recent concept and the one which is, while more relevant to our daily lives, less relevant from a medical (barring psychiatry) and scientific (barring psychology) perspective.

[Arglorand]

1984 officially has the Bob's 'Worst Ending of the Year' Award.

Partially kind of the point.

[Luveria]

As if trans people don't already get called disgusting on a daily basis.

Well, to be fair, he doesn't have to like your preferences.

There are such things as respect and mindfulness, however.

I didn't see any part of me saying I wanted my preferences liked, or expecting him to like my preferences. He was saying it's going too far saying people with a penis are just that, a person with a penis. I gave an example of how it's entirely separate from gender identity.

Is it really called for saying he has to barf?

[Seitonjin]

1984 officially has the Bob's 'Worst Ending of the Year' Award.

You missed the whole idea of 1984 dearie.

[Grenartia]

Is that really necessary?

As if trans people don't already get called disgusting on a daily basis.

Indeed.

Well, what else would we call the major sexes besides male and female? Those are established, scientific terms.

What do you mean what else? Anything else. Find names to describe the nature of the genitals and gonads of each sex, or the hormones associate with each sex. Just because it's established doesn't mean it couldn't be changed to something more practical and more accurate.

Besides, it's just an idea.

It reeks of politicizing science. Which means you'll have more people resisting the change than embracing it.

What needs to be done is to change the connotations of the terms. Which is best achieved by educating people about the difference between sex and gender, and using only terms for sex (male/female) to refer to sex, and only terms for gender (masculine/feminine/androgynous/etc.) to refer to gender.

[Gallup]

1984 officially has the Bob's 'Worst Ending of the Year' Award.

Also, the creepiest torture scene ever. Room 101 haunts my nightmares

[Seitonjin]

1984 officially has the Bob's 'Worst Ending of the Year' Award.

Also, the creepiest torture scene ever. Room 101 haunts my nightmares

Isn't that the point of the book?

[Luveria]

As if trans people don't already get called disgusting on a daily basis.

Indeed.

What I find to be an entirely hypocritical standard is I don't see males getting called disgusting for having a penis. Yet when a female has a penis, it's suddenly barf-inducing. How the fuck does that work. It doesn't add up.

[Lordieth]

Well, to be fair, he doesn't have to like your preferences.

There are such things as respect and mindfulness, however.

I didn't see any part of me saying I wanted my preferences liked, or expecting him to like my preferences. He was saying it's going too far saying people with a penis are just that, a person with a penis. I gave an example of how it's entirely separate from gender identity.

Is it really called for saying he has to barf?

Not it's not. I certainly wasn't defending his choice of words. Just his entitlement of opinion.

[Belligerent Alcoholics]

I'd forgotten about that... and it's especially bad given that A. being gay, he ought to know better, and B. LGBT Christians are actually a thing.

I'm easy to forgive people for asshattery like that, but I don't often forget about it.
But him and his ilk... and fundie nutters, are part of the reason why the groups I tend to care about most (I'm not good at showing or expressing it, though, never have been good with emotions) is gay and trans* Christians, because they get absolutely hammered by just about anybody in society with a soapbox and a bullhorn.

On a side note, I'm either very expressive or stone-faced.
But, yeah, that's the biggest reason I shy away from most mainstream LGBT+ orgs - they tend to have a strong bias against faith as a whole and forget that having a non-straight sexuality doesn't mean antitheist.

Is that really necessary?

As if trans people don't already get called disgusting on a daily basis.