The Red-Greens Headquarters [NSG Senate]

[The Nihilistic view]

Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%

Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%

I'd support Ainin's plan. It is slightly bugging me, however, that you've put Plan B on the left and A on the right

Have you been confirmed as transport minister yet?

[The Licentian Isles]

I'd support Ainin's plan. It is slightly bugging me, however, that you've put Plan B on the left and A on the right

Have you been confirmed as transport minister yet?

Not yet; there could still be an opponent to come.

EDIT - I'm not actually sure on when Venaleria intends to end this period; was it meant to be twenty-four hours from me posting my platform, or twenty-four hours from his post ??

[The Nihilistic view]

Have you been confirmed as transport minister yet?

Not yet; there could still be an opponent to come.

EDIT - I'm not actually sure on when Venaleria intends to end this period; was it meant to be twenty-four hours from me posting my platform, or twenty-four hours from his post ??

Probably his post, leaving 5 hours.

I have a private public partnership to offer whoever will become the minister you see about green transport.

[The Licentian Isles]

Not yet; there could still be an opponent to come.

EDIT - I'm not actually sure on when Venaleria intends to end this period; was it meant to be twenty-four hours from me posting my platform, or twenty-four hours from his post ??

Probably his post, leaving 5 hours.

I have a private public partnership to offer whoever will become the minister you see about green transport.

Yeah, I suspect so. Kind of a bugger that I'll have to wait til tomorrow morning to find out if I got it or not, but oh well.

Interesting. If I get the role, I'll be happy to hear your proposal.

[Britanno]

Give us Boris Bikes!

[The Nihilistic view]

Probably his post, leaving 5 hours.

I have a private public partnership to offer whoever will become the minister you see about green transport.

Yeah, I suspect so. Kind of a bugger that I'll have to wait til tomorrow morning to find out if I got it or not, but oh well.

Interesting. If I get the role, I'll be happy to hear your proposal.

Good, well hopefully speak to you in 5 hours.

[The Licentian Isles]

Yeah, I suspect so. Kind of a bugger that I'll have to wait til tomorrow morning to find out if I got it or not, but oh well.

Interesting. If I get the role, I'll be happy to hear your proposal.

Good, well hopefully speak to you in 5 hours.

It'll probably be longer; I do have to sleep you know, I'm not a robot...

Yet...

Give us Boris Bikes!

Though I suspect you were joking, I may actually take this into serious consideration. It would fit in well with the idea for free public transport that Ainin has previously proposed (because of the costs of running a bike compared to a bus), and, all joking aside, I quite like the idea, so long as you wipe the seat once you are done

[HumanSanity]

I'd support Ainin's plan. It is slightly bugging me, however, that you've put Plan B on the left and A on the right

Have you been confirmed as transport minister yet?

Umm... Ainin. We'd definitely prefer your plan. It's identical to Britanno's except for +3% on the last tax bracket.

I still think we'd only take it with a small wealth tax or mansion tax.

[Battlion]

Have you been confirmed as transport minister yet?

Umm... Ainin. We'd definitely prefer your plan. It's identical to Britanno's except for +3% on the last tax bracket.

I still think we'd only take it with a small wealth tax or mansion tax.

And then, anyone on the right and possibly centrists would be opposed to it...

[HumanSanity]

Umm... Ainin. We'd definitely prefer your plan. It's identical to Britanno's except for +3% on the last tax bracket.

I still think we'd only take it with a small wealth tax or mansion tax.

And then, anyone on the right and possibly centrists would be opposed to it...

Batt, I respect you and a lot of the new, right, members of the NDP but honestly. The Progress Coalition elected MV, not just the NDP or the PC that has been pushed center by a desire to make Belmaria happy. Again, I don't speak for my Party, but for myself, I'd say with a 1% max. wealth tax it'd be acceptable or a 1.5% mansion tax.

[The Nihilistic view]

Good, well hopefully speak to you in 5 hours.

It'll probably be longer; I do have to sleep you know, I'm not a robot...

Yet...

Give us Boris Bikes!

Though I suspect you were joking, I may actually take this into serious consideration. It would fit in well with the idea for free public transport that Ainin has previously proposed (because of the costs of running a bike compared to a bus), and, all joking aside, I quite like the idea, so long as you wipe the seat once you are done

Bikes don't normally count as public transport. but here is my Idea to take Boris bikes to the next level. After talking with my Brother I have come up with the following.

So here is my offer.

DePheffel industries will provide £200Million towards the scheme. If this work's and you wish to roll out the scheme to other cities then we can talk about Depheffel putting up more money and bikes to help with the start up in other area's

This money will be for the creation of a cycling scheme in the capital. DePheffel industries will also provide 2000 bikes and 3000 stands free of charge and sell any further bikes/stands to the ministry want's for the scheme for 30% discount on list price. The bikes will carry both the Transport ministry and DePheffel logos.

This scheme will have several features,

1) any citizen may apply for a means tested card that will if granted give them the ability to rent for free a bike for use around the city. (I suggest those with income less than £15,000)
2)Those who don't qualify and tourists/economic migrant's can rent the bikes for a daily fee of £5, weekly fee of £20, monthly fee of £50 or can purchase a yearly membership for £150. The pricing structure is to encourage members of the public to take out longer subscriptions and thus cycle more.
3) The revenue will all go towards the running of the service and re-invest in expanding the scheme to other cities.
4)Penalties for damage £300, penalty for failing to return the bike £500 and criminal charge of theft. Late fee's £5 per day over the rental period.
5) Those that purchase a 1 year subscription will receive a voucher entitling them to 50% off a DePheffel industries bike at the end of the year. Hopefully to get people to cycle privately and use a bike as their main type of transport around the city.

Aims to take cycling schemes to the next level by massively reducing the cost to the consumer and further encourage green transport as a practical alternative to Bus and tube transport around urban area's.

Anything you would like to add is most welcome. and we should discuss the minute detail's of the scheme.

I also have an idea for electric car rental with a charging infrastructure where the electricity comes from green sources for around the city but I anticipate this would be much more expencive and require several billion to set up.

[HumanSanity]

Goodness gracious people. I'd have done stuff if I had time.

http://bikeshare.com/

BikeShare - better than privatized Boris Bikes

[The Nihilistic view]

Goodness gracious people. I'd have done stuff if I had time.

http://bikeshare.com/

BikeShare - better than privatized Boris Bikes

Privatized? They are owned and run by the Ministry of transport. Or did you not read my proposal properly?

[Ainin]

That reminds me of https://montreal.bixi.com/

[HumanSanity]

Goodness gracious people. I'd have done stuff if I had time.

http://bikeshare.com/

BikeShare - better than privatized Boris Bikes

Privatized? They are owned and run by the Ministry of transport. Or did you not read my proposal properly?

I didn't. Sorry.

[Britanno]

by a desire to make Belmaria happy.

Trust me, I want to do anything but make Belmaria happy. I became sad when I learnt he had rejoined this RP.

[The Nihilistic view]

Privatized? They are owned and run by the Ministry of transport. Or did you not read my proposal properly?

I didn't. Sorry.

It's nothing like the system in london. Its far cheaper to rent a bike plus the provision of the poor to be able to apply to rent for free. Then there is also the opportunity for participants in the scheme to buy their own heavily discounted bike.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barclays_Cycle_Hire - London scheme for comparison.

For example, London has steep usage charges. This proposal would have none, just a simple low price rental fee used to reinvest in the system.

Usage charges from the London schemeare weighted to promote the constant circulation of bicycles. The first 30 minutes are free; for longer hire durations the price per hour rises sharply. If a user docks a bike, five minutes must elapse before they can take out another one.

30 min =free
1 h=£1
1 h 30= £4
2 h=£6
2 h 30=£10
3 h= £15
6 h=£35
24 h= £50

[The Licentian Isles]

It'll probably be longer; I do have to sleep you know, I'm not a robot...

Yet...





Though I suspect you were joking, I may actually take this into serious consideration. It would fit in well with the idea for free public transport that Ainin has previously proposed (because of the costs of running a bike compared to a bus), and, all joking aside, I quite like the idea, so long as you wipe the seat once you are done

Bikes don't normally count as public transport. but here is my Idea to take Boris bikes to the next level. After talking with my Brother I have come up with the following.

So here is my offer.

DePheffel industries will provide £200Million towards the scheme. If this work's and you wish to roll out the scheme to other cities then we can talk about Depheffel putting up more money and bikes to help with the start up in other area's

This money will be for the creation of a cycling scheme in the capital. DePheffel industries will also provide 2000 bikes and 3000 stands free of charge and sell any further bikes/stands to the ministry want's for the scheme for 30% discount on list price. The bikes will carry both the Transport ministry and DePheffel logos.

This scheme will have several features,

1) any citizen may apply for a means tested card that will if granted give them the ability to rent for free a bike for use around the city. (I suggest those with income less than £15,000)
2)Those who don't qualify and tourists/economic migrant's can rent the bikes for a daily fee of £5, weekly fee of £20, monthly fee of £50 or can purchase a yearly membership for £150. The pricing structure is to encourage members of the public to take out longer subscriptions and thus cycle more.
3) The revenue will all go towards the running of the service and re-invest in expanding the scheme to other cities.
4)Penalties for damage £300, penalty for failing to return the bike £500 and criminal charge of theft. Late fee's £5 per day over the rental period.
5) Those that purchase a 1 year subscription will receive a voucher entitling them to 50% off a DePheffel industries bike at the end of the year. Hopefully to get people to cycle privately and use a bike as their main type of transport around the city.

Aims to take cycling schemes to the next level by massively reducing the cost to the consumer and further encourage green transport as a practical alternative to Bus and tube transport around urban area's.

Anything you would like to add is most welcome. and we should discuss the minute detail's of the scheme.

I also have an idea for electric car rental with a charging infrastructure where the electricity comes from green sources for around the city but I anticipate this would be much more expencive and require several billion to set up.

I think it's an interesting proposal. I would definitely prefer no fee, but a flat fee would be preferable to the steeply-rising time based charges of the "Boris bikes".

You never know, instead of "Boris bikes", we could call them "Mackay-cycles"

Anyway, we're talking on hypotheticals here, since I don't even have the role yet. Let's leave it for a wee while, then you can all bombard my TG box with suggestions if I become Minister.

[Battlion]

And then, anyone on the right and possibly centrists would be opposed to it...

Batt, I respect you and a lot of the new, right, members of the NDP but honestly. The Progress Coalition elected MV, not just the NDP or the PC that has been pushed center by a desire to make Belmaria happy. Again, I don't speak for my Party, but for myself, I'd say with a 1% max. wealth tax it'd be acceptable or a 1.5% mansion tax.

Trust me, I don't pride myself with Belmaria being happy...

I personally would support a 1.5% Mansion tax, just no wealth tax.

[HumanSanity]

Batt, I respect you and a lot of the new, right, members of the NDP but honestly. The Progress Coalition elected MV, not just the NDP or the PC that has been pushed center by a desire to make Belmaria happy. Again, I don't speak for my Party, but for myself, I'd say with a 1% max. wealth tax it'd be acceptable or a 1.5% mansion tax.

Trust me, I don't pride myself with Belmaria being happy...

I personally would support a 1.5% Mansion tax, just no wealth tax.

Notice how I said or. To me the 55% top income bracket and 1.5% mansion tax is perfectly acceptable but don't take my word for it.

[The Nihilistic view]

Bikes don't normally count as public transport. but here is my Idea to take Boris bikes to the next level. After talking with my Brother I have come up with the following.



I also have an idea for electric car rental with a charging infrastructure where the electricity comes from green sources for around the city but I anticipate this would be much more expencive and require several billion to set up.

I think it's an interesting proposal. I would definitely prefer no fee, but a flat fee would be preferable to the steeply-rising time based charges of the "Boris bikes".

You never know, instead of "Boris bikes", we could call them "Mackay-cycles"

Anyway, we're talking on hypotheticals here, since I don't even have the role yet. Let's leave it for a wee while, then you can all bombard my TG box with suggestions if I become Minister.

Yes, the idea of the charge would be to make those who can contribute a little towards the cost. Universal benefits are so hideously expencive and I don't support them, benefits should be targeted, the comfortably off should not get them. The pricing has been worked out to encourage participation, keep cost manageable yet help the poorest in society.

Hahaha, depends on what nick name the public settle on.

[Oneracon]

Hahaha, depends on what nick name the public settle on.

Keep in mind what tone they might use when calling them "Boris bikes'

[Pesda]

Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%

Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%

I would support neither. The top bracket is too low, though acceptable if we got other tax increases or decreases. The 30% rate seems a bit high to me at level, but it's acceptable.

[Ainin]

Have you been confirmed as transport minister yet?

Umm... Ainin. We'd definitely prefer your plan. It's identical to Britanno's except for +3% on the last tax bracket.

I still think we'd only take it with a small wealth tax or mansion tax.

Is a mansion sales tax good enough?

[The Nihilistic view]

Umm... Ainin. We'd definitely prefer your plan. It's identical to Britanno's except for +3% on the last tax bracket.

I still think we'd only take it with a small wealth tax or mansion tax.

Is a mansion sales tax good enough?

There already is one. 15% on the value of sales over £2million. It's in the luxury tax.