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Postby Britanno » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:34 am

Venaleria and. Polvia...

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Britanno wrote:Venaleria and. Polvia...

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Please go to the link below and claim your party's HQ.

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Anything new, I am back from being absent.... 8)
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:03 pm

If this isn't too late, I'm interested in taking over the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure from HumanSanity. I'll put together a platform sort-of-thing later tonight, once I've got some stuff over on NS Sports out of the way.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:09 pm

I move a whip against any budget proposed by the government or opposition with a top bracket income tax lower than 60%.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:20 pm

HumanSanity wrote:I move a whip against any budget proposed by the government or opposition with a top bracket income tax lower than 60%.

And why is that, senator? From a multitude of discussions I've had with the right, we won't receive any support for a bipartisan budget with a top bracket greater than 50%. I personally don't wish to risk having a budget fail on its first attempt and be forced to wait around another week before getting one in.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:46 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
HumanSanity wrote:I move a whip against any budget proposed by the government or opposition with a top bracket income tax lower than 60%.

And why is that, senator? From a multitude of discussions I've had with the right, we won't receive any support for a bipartisan budget with a top bracket greater than 50%. I personally don't wish to risk having a budget fail on its first attempt and be forced to wait around another week before getting one in.

How much have you spoken to other parties in your own coalition besides the NDP I might ask? I know a lot it happens behind closed doors but in the Budget negotiations thread it doesn't look like you have spoken to anyone besides the MoF, Glasgia, and Ainin from your own Coalition.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:49 pm

HumanSanity wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:And why is that, senator? From a multitude of discussions I've had with the right, we won't receive any support for a bipartisan budget with a top bracket greater than 50%. I personally don't wish to risk having a budget fail on its first attempt and be forced to wait around another week before getting one in.

How much have you spoken to other parties in your own coalition besides the NDP I might ask? I know a lot it happens behind closed doors but in the Budget negotiations thread it doesn't look like you have spoken to anyone besides the MoF, Glasgia, and Ainin from your own Coalition.

And considering the MoF is from the Communist Party and Glasgia is MSP, I thought it would be decent representation. I also assumed going in that I would have coalition support for a budget because I believed there would be a recognition of the need to compromise in order to get a multipartisan budget passed, but clearly that hasn't worked out, much to my surprise.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:52 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
HumanSanity wrote:How much have you spoken to other parties in your own coalition besides the NDP I might ask? I know a lot it happens behind closed doors but in the Budget negotiations thread it doesn't look like you have spoken to anyone besides the MoF, Glasgia, and Ainin from your own Coalition.

And considering the MoF is from the Communist Party and Glasgia is MSP, I thought it would be decent representation. I also assumed going in that I would have coalition support for a budget because I believed there would be a recognition of the need to compromise in order to get a multipartisan budget passed, but clearly that hasn't worked out, much to my surprise.

I do not think that by any means I speak for the entire left of the coalition. But Glasgia has expressed concern over the income tax rates and the MoF's personal standing has been called into question. You assumed coalition support for something they opposed a whole two months ago simply because you pushed it not Britanno and RoG?
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:55 pm

HumanSanity wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:And considering the MoF is from the Communist Party and Glasgia is MSP, I thought it would be decent representation. I also assumed going in that I would have coalition support for a budget because I believed there would be a recognition of the need to compromise in order to get a multipartisan budget passed, but clearly that hasn't worked out, much to my surprise.

I do not think that by any means I speak for the entire left of the coalition. But Glasgia has expressed concern over the income tax rates and the MoF's personal standing has been called into question. You assumed coalition support for something they opposed a whole two months ago simply because you pushed it not Britanno and RoG?

By no means was that the basis of my assumption. The basis of my assumption was that the left hand sectors of the coalition was generally opposed to anything below 50, not 60. I had my numbers wrong.

Regardless of how we got into this, the bigger question is how we're going to get out of it. Is there a way you will support anything lower than a 60% bracket, such as adding other taxes, etc.?
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:57 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
HumanSanity wrote:I do not think that by any means I speak for the entire left of the coalition. But Glasgia has expressed concern over the income tax rates and the MoF's personal standing has been called into question. You assumed coalition support for something they opposed a whole two months ago simply because you pushed it not Britanno and RoG?

By no means was that the basis of my assumption. The basis of my assumption was that the left hand sectors of the coalition was generally opposed to anything below 50, not 60. I had my numbers wrong.

Regardless of how we got into this, the bigger question is how we're going to get out of it. Is there a way you will support anything lower than a 60% bracket, such as adding other taxes, etc.?

The original motion is withdrawn for the time being based on discussions in the Budget thread.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:53 pm

Okay, so, this is my sort-of platform for my attempt to be elected as Transport Minister. There’s only a few things on this list because, at this point, having seen a lot of the things that have already gone on with this Ministry, I can see that, aside of a few little points that I would quite like to write bills for myself, it seems to be just ensuring that bills that are currently in the queue pass, as they are very important to the transport in this nation. However, here are the points I would like to work on if I took the Ministry on:

1. Place regulations on night flying, by both commercial and private airplanes.
2. Establish the Civil Transport Incident Investigation Bureau, as referred to in the Transport Safety Act, so that incidents like the recent tragedy involving Senator Jefferson Smith and Chief of Staff Ian Robinson can be properly investigated.
3. Establish official train driver’s and pilot’s licenses, since that doesn’t seem to have been established before, but has been mentioned by various people.
4. As proposed by the Prime Minister, make public transport in Aurentina free to all.

If anybody has any suggestions of things to add, please let me know; I’m happy to take on board any advice people want to give.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:34 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:Okay, so, this is my sort-of platform for my attempt to be elected as Transport Minister. There’s only a few things on this list because, at this point, having seen a lot of the things that have already gone on with this Ministry, I can see that, aside of a few little points that I would quite like to write bills for myself, it seems to be just ensuring that bills that are currently in the queue pass, as they are very important to the transport in this nation. However, here are the points I would like to work on if I took the Ministry on:

1. Place regulations on night flying, by both commercial and private airplanes.
2. Establish the Civil Transport Incident Investigation Bureau, as referred to in the Transport Safety Act, so that incidents like the recent tragedy involving Senator Jefferson Smith and Chief of Staff Ian Robinson can be properly investigated.
3. Establish official train driver’s and pilot’s licenses, since that doesn’t seem to have been established before, but has been mentioned by various people.

If anybody has any suggestions of things to add, please let me know; I’m happy to take on board any advice people want to give.

The Prime Minister has made it a priority for this term to pass a law making public transportation in the Commonwealth free for all. Do you support this endeavor?
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:38 pm

HumanSanity wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:Okay, so, this is my sort-of platform for my attempt to be elected as Transport Minister. There’s only a few things on this list because, at this point, having seen a lot of the things that have already gone on with this Ministry, I can see that, aside of a few little points that I would quite like to write bills for myself, it seems to be just ensuring that bills that are currently in the queue pass, as they are very important to the transport in this nation. However, here are the points I would like to work on if I took the Ministry on:

1. Place regulations on night flying, by both commercial and private airplanes.
2. Establish the Civil Transport Incident Investigation Bureau, as referred to in the Transport Safety Act, so that incidents like the recent tragedy involving Senator Jefferson Smith and Chief of Staff Ian Robinson can be properly investigated.
3. Establish official train driver’s and pilot’s licenses, since that doesn’t seem to have been established before, but has been mentioned by various people.

If anybody has any suggestions of things to add, please let me know; I’m happy to take on board any advice people want to give.

The Prime Minister has made it a priority for this term to pass a law making public transportation in the Commonwealth free for all. Do you support this endeavor?


Now that I've been made aware of it (I didn't previously know), yes, of course I am behind that. People shouldn't have to pay for public transport, otherwise, in my opinion, it isn't really public. I'll add that to my sort-of platform now.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:28 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:2. Establish the Civil Transport Incident Investigation Bureau, as referred to in the Transport Safety Act.


There's already an organisation in place in the Transport Ministry Provision Act that already establishes a transport investigation agency.
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Postby Venaleria » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:46 pm

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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:37 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:2. Establish the Civil Transport Incident Investigation Bureau, as referred to in the Transport Safety Act.


There's already an organisation in place in the Transport Ministry Provision Act that already establishes a transport investigation agency.


Is there ?? When I was searching through the bills related to the Ministry, I didn't find that. It may just have been that I was fairly tired when I wrote that last night.
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Postby Ainin » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:05 pm

Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%
Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%
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Postby Unicario » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:23 pm

Ainin wrote:Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%
Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%


I support Britanno's plan.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:24 pm

Ainin wrote:Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%
Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%


I'd support Ainin's plan. It is slightly bugging me, however, that you've put Plan B on the left and A on the right :P
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Postby Ainin » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:27 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Ainin wrote:Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%
Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%


I'd support Ainin's plan. It is slightly bugging me, however, that you've put Plan B on the left and A on the right :P
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Postby Polvia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:32 pm

Ainin wrote:Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%
Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%

Here's one problem, the top rate of income tax is lower than 60%.

Something like this would be preferable, in my opinion.

£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 50.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 55.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 60.00%

Dismissing this for the moment Plan A would be the preferable tax plan, since it places a higher burden upon the wealthiest and lessens the burden on the poor.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Ainin » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:34 pm

The problem is that a maximum bracket of 60% cannot be passed with all the opposition from both the right and centre.
"And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat?"
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