The Red-Greens Headquarters [NSG Senate]

[Unicario]

Hello. I'm here to campaign against the APPA.

Can someone give me a summary of the APPA? It's obviously controversial.

[Ainin]

Hello. I'm here to campaign against the APPA.

Can someone give me a summary of the APPA? It's obviously controversial.

"A political party is defined as an organization with active Senators involved and which includes the word "party" or the phrase "Coalition for Freedom and Enterprise" in its name, or which wishes to be defined as a political party.

No Senator shall have membership in more than one political party.

A Senator who is found to be a member of more than one party must leave one or the other, and his votes will not count until he does so."

[Unicario]

Can someone give me a summary of the APPA? It's obviously controversial.

"A political party is defined as an organization with active Senators involved and which includes the word "party" or the phrase "Coalition for Freedom and Enterprise" in its name, or which wishes to be defined as a political party.

No Senator shall have membership in more than one political party.

A Senator who is found to be a member of more than one party must leave one or the other, and his votes will not count until he does so."

What a crock of horse-shit. I mean, that's already been de facto law, hasn't it? Why do we need to legislate it.

[Ainin]

"A political party is defined as an organization with active Senators involved and which includes the word "party" or the phrase "Coalition for Freedom and Enterprise" in its name, or which wishes to be defined as a political party.

No Senator shall have membership in more than one political party.

A Senator who is found to be a member of more than one party must leave one or the other, and his votes will not count until he does so."

What a crock of horse-shit. I mean, that's already been de facto law, hasn't it? Why do we need to legislate it.

Some people oppose the Glorious Rhinolution, apparently.

[The Nihilistic view]

Can someone give me a summary of the APPA? It's obviously controversial.

"A political party is defined as an organization with active Senators involved and which includes the word "party" or the phrase "Coalition for Freedom and Enterprise" in its name, or which wishes to be defined as a political party.

No Senator shall have membership in more than one political party.

A Senator who is found to be a member of more than one party must leave one or the other, and his votes will not count until he does so."

There a massive loophole the size of a bus I could drive right through it. I won't say till it's at vote for fear of amendments though. I will TG anybody who requests it though as long as you don't make it public and you intend to vote the bill down.

[Ainin]

"A political party is defined as an organization with active Senators involved and which includes the word "party" or the phrase "Coalition for Freedom and Enterprise" in its name, or which wishes to be defined as a political party.

No Senator shall have membership in more than one political party.

A Senator who is found to be a member of more than one party must leave one or the other, and his votes will not count until he does so."

There a massive loophole the size of a bus I could drive right through it. I won't say till it's at vote for fear of amendments though. I will TG anybody who requests it though as long as you don't make it public and you intend to vote the bill down.

*requests it*

As co-chairman of the Rhinocracy, I obviously oppose the APPA and wouldn't hinder attempts to dilute it.

[Haelunor]

To get away from some of the raised tempers in the chambers, what are Red Greens general feelings on homeschooling and more controversial unschooling? Unschooling, basically, is education directed by the child with encouragement and some oversight by their parents/ legal guardians or other trusted adult.

[Unicario]

To get away from some of the raised tempers in the chambers, what are Red Greens general feelings on homeschooling and more controversial unschooling? Unschooling, basically, is education directed by the child with encouragement and some oversight by their parents/ legal guardians or other trusted adult.

As former Minister of Education, I find that system to be terrible for the child. They need an unbiased, proper education, not their parents bearing down on them shoving their beliefs down a child's throat.

[The Equipment of the Aurentine Military]

To get away from some of the raised tempers in the chambers, what are Red Greens general feelings on homeschooling and more controversial unschooling? Unschooling, basically, is education directed by the child with encouragement and some oversight by their parents/ legal guardians or other trusted adult.

As former Minister of Education, I find that system to be terrible for the child. They need an unbiased, proper education, not their parents bearing down on them shoving their beliefs down a child's throat.

You know for somebody complaining about forceful parents..........

[Oneracon]

To get away from some of the raised tempers in the chambers, what are Red Greens general feelings on homeschooling and more controversial unschooling? Unschooling, basically, is education directed by the child with encouragement and some oversight by their parents/ legal guardians or other trusted adult.

The idea of unschooling is very interesting, but I would personally pursue a method whereby the public education system can adopt principles and ideas from unschooling to add to the system.

As for homeschooling, I personally would support it being banned except in cases where a child is unable to attend a school due to a physical illness or other medical condition. In that case my view is that the Ministry of Education should provide for online learning (teleconferencing, etc.) so that the child can still receive the same calibre of education that they would in a standard school setting.

[New Bierstaat]

As a sort of honorary member of this party, I hope you won't mind if I express my opinion that homeschooling should be allowed.

Parents have, as far as I know, a right to school choice: if the student lives in a particular school district, the parents may choose to send the student to any (age appropriate) school in that district. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Aurentina has many rural areas where there is only one school for each age group in the district, and likely no private schools in the area. The public school may be so far away as to put the child on a school bus for an hour or more each way, which is bad for the child. Where I live in the USA (Illinois, which I'd think has a similar population density to Aurentina at a little over 80/sq km), there are many such single-school districts covering 600 square kilometers or more. Anyway, banning homeschooling ruins the parent's right to choice in these areas by essentially forcing the child into the one public school in the area, and it can force students into impossibly long bus rides back an forth to school.

I'd rather see homeschooling legal, but regulated.

[Oneracon]

As a sort of honorary member of this party, I hope you won't mind if I express my opinion that homeschooling should be allowed.

Parents have, as far as I know, a right to school choice: if the student lives in a particular school district, the parents may choose to send the student to any (age appropriate) school in that district. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Aurentina has many rural areas where there is only one school for each age group in the district, and likely no private schools in the area. The public school may be so far away as to put the child on a school bus for an hour or more each way, which is bad for the child. Where I live in the USA (Illinois, which I'd think has a similar population density to Aurentina at a little over 80/sq km), there are many such single-school districts covering 600 square kilometers or more. Anyway, banning homeschooling ruins the parent's right to choice in these areas by essentially forcing the child into the one public school in the area, and it can force students into impossibly long bus rides back an forth to school.

I'd rather see homeschooling legal, but regulated.

I would agree with you in adding that as an extenuating circumstance where homeschooling should be allowed, but I still support a ban outside of extenuating circumstances and the education portion of homeschooling being done by teleconferencing and other remote learning methods by licensed teachers.

[ATN]

Help us protect public broadcasting and the principle of legislative oversight.

[Haelunor]

I don't necessarily believe it is our right to tell our constituents they are not qualified enough to educate or oversee the education of their own children. I think that some regulation is required to ensure that the basics are being taught, and I would support periodic standardized testing of home schooled students.

I believe that the fundamental argument is whether the public schools are meant to produce consumers to enter the word after 12 years of being told what to do to participate in a democracy of choices they aren't prepared to make, or if education should be about learning. I tend to stray towards the latter.

[Oneracon]

I don't necessarily believe it is our right to tell our constituents they are not qualified enough to educate or oversee the education of their own children. I think that some regulation is required to ensure that the basics are being taught, and I would support periodic standardized testing of home schooled students.

I believe that the fundamental argument is whether the public schools are meant to produce consumers to enter the word after 12 years of being told what to do to participate in a democracy of choices they aren't prepared to make, or if education should be about learning. I tend to stray towards the latter.

The main issue is that the only groups that strongly advocate for teaching children at home (or for that matter sending them to private parochial schools... but that is not what we are discussing) are those that seek to isolate their children from other viewpoints. The public school system provides important opportunities for social development and exposure to other people's beliefs, opinions, and ways of life... which is why I believe that homeschooling is permissible only in exceptional circumstances and still should be conducted through distance education by licensed educators.

[Haelunor]

That statement is factually innaccurate.

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/10/30/ ... otivation/

From the story above: "She’s not alone. According to the federally funded National Center for Education Statistics, the share of parents who cited “religious or moral instruction” as their primary motivation for home-schooling has dropped from 36 percent in 2007 to just 21 percent during the 2011-12 school year."

Homeschooling is becoming more about giving your child an education better than the one the underfunded and struggling public schools can and less about insulating them from non-Judeo-Christian cultural values.

[Corenea]

That statement is factually innacurate.

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/10/30/ ... otivation/

From the story above: "She’s not alone. According to the federally funded National Center for Education Statistics, the share of parents who cited “religious or moral instruction” as their primary motivation for home-schooling has dropped from 36 percent in 2007 to just 21 percent during the 2011-12 school year."

Homeschooling is becoming more about giving your child an education better than the one the underfunded and struggling public schools can and less about insulating them from non-Judeo-Christian cultural values.

It's from a religion website! Innacurate!!!!

[Oneracon]

Homeschooling is becoming more about giving your child an education better than the one the underfunded and struggling public schools can and less about insulating them from non-Judeo-Christian cultural values.

And what is the solution to underfunded and struggling public schools? Better funding and education methods in public schools.

As your own source says: "Part of it is driven because they’re disappointed in the schools... If we had better schools, if the schools weren’t so confused and having trouble with testing and having trouble with budgets — that’s one of the things that’s fueling the home-school movement."

[Haelunor]

I think it is rather ridiculous to criticize the medium the information came in when there is no indication it is inaccurate. The information I quoted was from a government agency, not produced by the website itself. I could go and dig up the actual report, if you really want me to. Or we could be civil.

[Corenea]

I think it is rather ridiculous to criticize the medium the information came in when there is no indication it is inaccurate. The information I quoted was from a government agency, not produced by the website itself. I could go and dig up the actual report, if you really want me to. Or we could be civil.

I was making a joke that most NSGers distrust any religious source

[Unicario]

For the benefit of Mistah Kite...

[Oneracon]

I think it is rather ridiculous to criticize the medium the information came in when there is no indication it is inaccurate. The information I quoted was from a government agency, not produced by the website itself. I could go and dig up the actual report, if you really want me to. Or we could be civil.

I was making a joke that most NSGers distrust any religious source

Well to be fair, a religious source is not likely to be unbiased on a religious issue.

Just as a Russian source would not likely be treated as unbiased on an issue negatively affecting Russia, etc.

[New Bierstaat]

Bump

[Haelunor]

It is a shame that the President of the government had to bump the thread of a fairly active opposition party.

[Unicario]

It is a shame that the President of the government had to bump the thread of a fairly active opposition party.

Well none of our members seem interested in providing for the party... so what can we do? We're not part of an active government, and most of our people are inactive.