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Postby Oneracon » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:30 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:How per se is the law harmful to private companies? :eyebrow:


Where it says that private entities aren't allowed to track people on the web, that pretty much destroys the ability to pick up info from site activity to render advertisements online. Neither does it specify exemptions from products that are specifically designed to do just that. There is more.

I don't see an issue with preventing private companies from monitoring a user's personal internet activity, if you don't want the government to monitor you then it's a bit of a double standard to say "Oh but it's fine for corporations."
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Postby Minarchist States » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:35 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
Where it says that private entities aren't allowed to track people on the web, that pretty much destroys the ability to pick up info from site activity to render advertisements online. Neither does it specify exemptions from products that are specifically designed to do just that. There is more.

I don't see an issue with preventing private companies from monitoring a user's personal internet activity, if you don't want the government to monitor you then it's a bit of a double standard to say "Oh but it's fine for corporations."


Not really. The companies motive is only profit, and unlike the government, really don't care about what you do in your bedroom. The government, (if you read the latest general topic) are more than happy to use that information to slander people while most businesses would fear losing customers and reputation they ever sunk that low.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:39 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:I don't see an issue with preventing private companies from monitoring a user's personal internet activity, if you don't want the government to monitor you then it's a bit of a double standard to say "Oh but it's fine for corporations."


Not really. The companies motive is only profit, and unlike the government, really don't care about what you do in your bedroom.

A conundrum: What if it is profitable for a company to sell your data to the government?

The government, (if you read the latest general topic) are more than happy to use that information to slander people while most businesses would fear losing customers and reputation they ever sunk that low.

It is not a given that corporations would use that information in a public forum, backroom threats and blackmail are just as effective.
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Postby President Pro-Tempore of the Senate » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:47 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
Not really. The companies motive is only profit, and unlike the government, really don't care about what you do in your bedroom.

A conundrum: What if it is profitable for a company to sell your data to the government?

The government, (if you read the latest general topic) are more than happy to use that information to slander people while most businesses would fear losing customers and reputation they ever sunk that low.

It is not a given that corporations would use that information in a public forum, backroom threats and blackmail are just as effective.


Dam, that was going to be my loophole to lucrative government contracts. :(

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Postby Minarchist States » Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:48 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
Not really. The companies motive is only profit, and unlike the government, really don't care about what you do in your bedroom.

A conundrum: What if it is profitable for a company to sell your data to the government?

The government, (if you read the latest general topic) are more than happy to use that information to slander people while most businesses would fear losing customers and reputation they ever sunk that low.

It is not a given that corporations would use that information in a public forum, backroom threats and blackmail are just as effective.


Which are used by corporations whom always have some underlying motive other than just money. For small businesses, it is suicide. Corporations and bigger businesses are always tied to or invest in some political motive...the costs of hiding a secret are too much for legal firms.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:33 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:A conundrum: What if it is profitable for a company to sell your data to the government?


It is not a given that corporations would use that information in a public forum, backroom threats and blackmail are just as effective.


Which are used by corporations whom always have some underlying motive other than just money. For small businesses, it is suicide. Corporations and bigger businesses are always tied to or invest in some political motive...the costs of hiding a secret are too much for legal firms.

Why would small businesses be engaged in the online tracking of individual users? :eyebrow:
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Postby Malgrave » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:57 am

Minarchist States wrote:
Oneracon wrote:I don't see an issue with preventing private companies from monitoring a user's personal internet activity, if you don't want the government to monitor you then it's a bit of a double standard to say "Oh but it's fine for corporations."


Not really. The companies motive is only profit, and unlike the government, really don't care about what you do in your bedroom. The government, (if you read the latest general topic) are more than happy to use that information to slander people while most businesses would fear losing customers and reputation they ever sunk that low.


I don't think you understand how the modern surveillance system works and you put far too much trust in private industry. Corporations are utilising underhand tactics against non-profit groups and activists that might smear their image in an attempt to safeguard profit and they are working with some governments to achieve this goal.

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Postby Red-Greens » Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:11 am

OP updated to take into account the death of the Purple Dusks, and ProgCoa's shift to opposition.

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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:34 pm

Yes, my current Senator is dead, but my new one is also going to be a Red-Green; I presume the positions I currently have will be inherited by my new Senator ??

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Postby Corenea » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:57 pm

I'm gonna hope that the Red Greens will be more active than the Communists or the Market Socialist. Don't want to see an NDP dominated Coalition don't we?
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:59 am

Corenea wrote:I'm gonna hope that the Red Greens will be more active than the Communists or the Market Socialist. Don't want to see an NDP dominated Coalition don't we?

Given that they are the vastly larger party in the coalition, I really don't see how it could be anything else. The NDP and the rest of the Progress Coalition have a symbiotic relationship.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:57 am

In the spirit of Christmas and as a response to recent criticism of the Aurentine Partisan Politics Act, I'd like to join this party (my Senator, not my President).

My Senator will of course keep his membership in the Libertarian Party as well.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:02 am

New Bierstaat wrote:In the spirit of Christmas and as a response to recent criticism of the Aurentine Partisan Politics Act, I'd like to join this party (my Senator, not my President).

My Senator will of course keep his membership in the Libertarian Party as well.


I too wish to join this party, although my senator will also stay as a member of the ALM, the Christmas season is about sharing and friendship and I wish to offer such to you.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:06 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:In the spirit of Christmas and as a response to recent criticism of the Aurentine Partisan Politics Act, I'd like to join this party (my Senator, not my President).

My Senator will of course keep his membership in the Libertarian Party as well.


I too wish to join this party, although my senator will also stay as a member of the ALM, the Christmas season is about sharing and friendship and I wish to offer such to you.

It's also about the colors red and green, don't forget!
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:11 am

New Bierstaat wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
I too wish to join this party, although my senator will also stay as a member of the ALM, the Christmas season is about sharing and friendship and I wish to offer such to you.

It's also about the colors red and green, don't forget!


Yes, good Christmassy colours.
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Postby Corenea » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:14 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:It's also about the colors red and green, don't forget!


Yes, good Christmassy colours.

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Postby Corenea » Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:30 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Bierstaat wrote:In the spirit of Christmas and as a response to recent criticism of the Aurentine Partisan Politics Act, I'd like to join this party (my Senator, not my President).

My Senator will of course keep his membership in the Libertarian Party as well.


I too wish to join this party, although my senator will also stay as a member of the ALM, the Christmas season is about sharing and friendship and I wish to offer such to you.

I too wish to join this party although my party membership will still be exclusive to Reform but I'm doing this in the spirit of Chrstmas (although my rp character is Jewish)
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Postby Unicario » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:42 pm

Wait, what the deuce is going on, can someone explain to me why three conservatives are joining a socialist party? This is OOC, I'm wondering what brought this on.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:43 pm

Unicario wrote:Wait, what the deuce is going on, can someone explain to me why three conservatives are joining a socialist party? This is OOC, I'm wondering what brought this on.


Protesting against APPA, I think. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Postby Unicario » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:46 pm

IC:

All new applicants to the party are approved. Welcome comrades, to the Red-Greens.

Signed,
Alexandra von Hohenzollern
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Tenth of December, 2013

((Eh, there you go...))
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Postby New Bierstaat » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:18 pm

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Unicario wrote:Wait, what the deuce is going on, can someone explain to me why three conservatives are joining a socialist party? This is OOC, I'm wondering what brought this on.


Protesting against APPA, I think. I wouldn't worry about it.

Protesting against protests against APPA, actually.
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Postby Distruzio » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:29 pm

Unicario wrote:Wait, what the deuce is going on, can someone explain to me why three conservatives are joining a socialist party? This is OOC, I'm wondering what brought this on.



Just so your head doesnt explode, Senator, i dont plan on joining this party. :p
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:32 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
Protesting against APPA, I think. I wouldn't worry about it.

Protesting against protests against APPA, actually.


I'm protesting about the protesters protesting the protests about the protesting protesters.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:00 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
Protesting against APPA, I think. I wouldn't worry about it.

Protesting against protests against APPA, actually.


My bad.

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Postby Ainin » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:01 pm

Hello. I'm here to campaign against the APPA.
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