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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:30 pm

Ceni wrote:Confirming membership.


Thank you, please keep your eye on the party, we're going to be discussing some serious matters very soon.

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HumanSanity
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Postby HumanSanity » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:38 pm

I motion the following amendments to Red-Greens policy. They will be enacted upon being fifthed.

1. Motions will no longer require five seconds but rather a number of seconds equal to one tenth the number of members. Rounded up at 4 odd members out.

2. A Central Committee will be formed of the Chairman, Vice Chairman, Chief Whip, External Relations Commissioner, and Founder (Polvia). The Party Chairman will serve as the Chairman of the Central Committee. The Central Committee may act in cases where the matter at discussion is time or information sensitive. A majority will be sufficient to enact policy. A majority of a full party vote may overrule the Central Committee. Such a vote must be motioned and seconded in order to be called.

3. The position of "Election Commissioner" is hereby eliminated. Its duties will be filled by the Chairman and Vice Chairman. An individual may not serve as Election Commissioner in an election in which they are a candidate. If both the Chairman and Vice Chairman are candidates in an election then the Founder will serve as Election Commissioner.

Thank you
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Postby Red-Greens » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:40 pm

OP updated. Oneracon is retained as TR Ambassador by virtue of being appointed as the ambassador to the NDP.

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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Sat Nov 09, 2013 7:41 pm

HumanSanity wrote:I motion the following amendments to Red-Greens policy. They will be enacted upon being fifthed.

1. Motions will no longer require five seconds but rather a number of seconds equal to one tenth the number of members. Rounded up at 4 odd members out.

2. A Central Committee will be formed of the Chairman, Vice Chairman, Chief Whip, External Relations Commissioner, and Founder (Polvia). The Party Chairman will serve as the Chairman of the Central Committee. The Central Committee may act in cases where the matter at discussion is time or information sensitive. A majority will be sufficient to enact policy. A majority of a full party vote may overrule the Central Committee. Such a vote must be motioned and seconded in order to be called.

3. The position of "Election Commissioner" is hereby eliminated. Its duties will be filled by the Chairman and Vice Chairman. An individual may not serve as Election Commissioner in an election in which they are a candidate. If both the Chairman and Vice Chairman are candidates in an election then the Founder will serve as Election Commissioner.

Thank you
HumanSanity


Seconded.
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Postby Quebec and Atlantic Canada » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:00 pm

Confirming membership.

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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:23 pm

Quebec and Atlantic Canada wrote:Confirming membership.


Thank you so much! We hope you'll stay active, you're just as important to the party as anyone else :)
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New federation janistan
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Postby New federation janistan » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:40 am

confirming membership
sorry when i did not vote in elections both candidates had things that i support and things that im againsts so i couldn't make choice
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Postby Polvia » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:11 am

Confirming membership.
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The Licentian Isles
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:15 am

Obviously, I'm still here, since everyone seems to be confirming that they are indeed alive.

Out of interest, what does the role of External Relations Commissioner entail ?? Depending on the duties, I may be interested in the role.

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HumanSanity
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:54 am

The Licentian Isles wrote:Obviously, I'm still here, since everyone seems to be confirming that they are indeed alive.

Out of interest, what does the role of External Relations Commissioner entail ?? Depending on the duties, I may be interested in the role.

The External Relations Commissioner is in charge of our relations with other parties in the Senate. You would appoint and manage ambassadors and keep up contact with the other parties.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:02 am

HumanSanity wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:Obviously, I'm still here, since everyone seems to be confirming that they are indeed alive.

Out of interest, what does the role of External Relations Commissioner entail ?? Depending on the duties, I may be interested in the role.

The External Relations Commissioner is in charge of our relations with other parties in the Senate. You would appoint and manage ambassadors and keep up contact with the other parties.


In that case, I'd be willing to take that role.

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Postby Gaiaopolis » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:15 am

Confirming membership.
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Unicario
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Postby Unicario » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:23 am

HumanSanity wrote:I motion the following amendments to Red-Greens policy. They will be enacted upon being fifthed.

1. Motions will no longer require five seconds but rather a number of seconds equal to one tenth the number of members. Rounded up at 4 odd members out.

2. A Central Committee will be formed of the Chairman, Vice Chairman, Chief Whip, External Relations Commissioner, and Founder (Polvia). The Party Chairman will serve as the Chairman of the Central Committee. The Central Committee may act in cases where the matter at discussion is time or information sensitive. A majority will be sufficient to enact policy. A majority of a full party vote may overrule the Central Committee. Such a vote must be motioned and seconded in order to be called.

3. The position of "Election Commissioner" is hereby eliminated. Its duties will be filled by the Chairman and Vice Chairman. An individual may not serve as Election Commissioner in an election in which they are a candidate. If both the Chairman and Vice Chairman are candidates in an election then the Founder will serve as Election Commissioner.

Thank you
HumanSanity


Party members, any more seconds? There's only one second so far, we need 4 more.
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Postby Pesda » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:29 am

Unicario wrote:
HumanSanity wrote:I motion the following amendments to Red-Greens policy. They will be enacted upon being fifthed.

1. Motions will no longer require five seconds but rather a number of seconds equal to one tenth the number of members. Rounded up at 4 odd members out.

2. A Central Committee will be formed of the Chairman, Vice Chairman, Chief Whip, External Relations Commissioner, and Founder (Polvia). The Party Chairman will serve as the Chairman of the Central Committee. The Central Committee may act in cases where the matter at discussion is time or information sensitive. A majority will be sufficient to enact policy. A majority of a full party vote may overrule the Central Committee. Such a vote must be motioned and seconded in order to be called.

3. The position of "Election Commissioner" is hereby eliminated. Its duties will be filled by the Chairman and Vice Chairman. An individual may not serve as Election Commissioner in an election in which they are a candidate. If both the Chairman and Vice Chairman are candidates in an election then the Founder will serve as Election Commissioner.

Thank you
HumanSanity


Seconded.

Thirded, though for number three, what if all of those are standing in election, or if all of them go inactive? And for number 1, what if a motion has reached the required number of seconds, but more people are opposed?
I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:39 am

Pesda wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Seconded.

Thirded, though for number three, what if all of those are standing in election, or if all of them go inactive? And for number 1, what if a motion has reached the required number of seconds, but more people are opposed?
I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.

These are perfectly reasonable concerns that you raise and I will address them here:

3. The likelihood of that happening is very low. If it would happen then we can change party policy regarding that.

As to your motion the current method is to fifth a motion to enact. You could argue that both are inherently flawed. Regardless, I'll second your motion on its merits.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:40 am

Pesda wrote:
Unicario wrote:
Seconded.

Thirded, though for number three, what if all of those are standing in election, or if all of them go inactive? And for number 1, what if a motion has reached the required number of seconds, but more people are opposed?
I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.


Fourthed.

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Postby Ceni » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:46 am

The Licentian Isles wrote:
Pesda wrote:Thirded, though for number three, what if all of those are standing in election, or if all of them go inactive? And for number 1, what if a motion has reached the required number of seconds, but more people are opposed?
I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.


Fourthed.


Fifthed.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:47 am

Ceni wrote:
The Licentian Isles wrote:
Fourthed.


Fifthed.

Thank you everyone for allowing us to do this. I'll update the OP soon.
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Postby Red-Greens » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:51 am

OP Edited.

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Postby Pesda » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:15 am

HumanSanity wrote:
Pesda wrote:Thirded, though for number three, what if all of those are standing in election, or if all of them go inactive? And for number 1, what if a motion has reached the required number of seconds, but more people are opposed?
I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.

These are perfectly reasonable concerns that you raise and I will address them here:

3. The likelihood of that happening is very low. If it would happen then we can change party policy regarding that.
Fair enough.

As to your motion the current method is to fifth a motion to enact. You could argue that both are inherently flawed. Regardless, I'll second your motion on its merits.

Thanks.
I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.

Any more seconds for this, people?
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Postby Pesda » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:15 am

Also, what is the procedure for ties in internal elections?
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thats cool i like ireland
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Pesda wrote:Making someone happy.

I advise lubricant if that's your objective. Or spit.
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Postby Unicario » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:21 am

HumanSanity wrote:
Pesda wrote:Thirded, though for number three, what if all of those are standing in election, or if all of them go inactive? And for number 1, what if a motion has reached the required number of seconds, but more people are opposed?
I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.

These are perfectly reasonable concerns that you raise and I will address them here:

3. The likelihood of that happening is very low. If it would happen then we can change party policy regarding that.

As to your motion the current method is to fifth a motion to enact. You could argue that both are inherently flawed. Regardless, I'll second your motion on its merits.


Thirded.
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Postby Ceni » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:31 am

Pesda wrote:I move that if both a motion and a counter motion has enough seconds, the matter goes to a full party vote.

Any more seconds for this, people?[/quote]

Fourth.
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Postby Pesda » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:42 am

HumanSanity wrote:1. Motions will no longer require five seconds but rather a number of seconds equal to one tenth the number of members. Rounded up at 4 odd members out.

I count 35 senators. So does my motion pass?
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So does semen.
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thats cool i like ireland
Interstellar Britannia wrote:And indeed, cavemen are fully capable of writing books. Have you heard of the Communist Manifesto perchance?
Green Ham wrote:
Pesda wrote:Making someone happy.

I advise lubricant if that's your objective. Or spit.
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Postby HumanSanity » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:43 am

Pesda wrote:
HumanSanity wrote:1. Motions will no longer require five seconds but rather a number of seconds equal to one tenth the number of members. Rounded up at 4 odd members out.

I count 35 senators. So does my motion pass?

Yup.
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