The Red-Greens Headquarters [NSG Senate]

[Venaleria]

Shall I add them to th-

EDIT: Ninja'd. Sneaky little twits...

[Oneracon]

Shall I add them to th-

EDIT: Ninja'd. Sneaky little twits...

I'm fast with my account switching.

[Pesda]

I move for a whip against the proposed budget.

[HumanSanity]

I move for a whip against the proposed budget.

Seconded. I'll fight this one until the end. We, and everyone to our left, were shunted by our own Government.

[Maklohi Vai]

I move for a whip against the proposed budget.

Seconded. I'll fight this one until the end. We, and everyone to our left, were shunted by our own Government.

I will not stand in your way of rejecting a budget, but I hope you understand that everyone had to make sacrifices here, and nobody is going home completely happy. There are many who do not agree in full with the current proposal, myself included, but are going to recognize that we need to have a funded government, and that this budget is the best way to do that.

[Oneracon]

Party members, I would like to discuss reforming the whip system.

We need to firmly decide the number of seconds needed before the party will enforce the whip.

[Pesda]

Seconded. I'll fight this one until the end. We, and everyone to our left, were shunted by our own Government.

I will not stand in your way of rejecting a budget, but I hope you understand that everyone had to make sacrifices here, and nobody is going home completely happy. There are many who do not agree in full with the current proposal, myself included, but are going to recognize that we need to have a funded government, and that this budget is the best way to do that.

We haven't tried to pass the budget without the support of the right yet. I'd rather at least try to pass one we like before one we don't like.
I don't remember getting a reply to this:

Alright, we have a problem for the budget. It's essentially gridlocked on income tax.

Would the Red-Green Party be willing to support either, or both, income tax plan as listed below?

Plan A - Proposed by Ainin
£ 0.00-£ 20,000.00 0%
£ 20,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ £ 1,000,000.00+ 55.00%

Plan B - Proposed by Britanno
£ 0.00-£ 15,000.00 0%
£ 15,000.00-£ 30,000.00 15.00%
£ 30,000.00-£ 40,000.00 30.00%
£ 40,000.00-£ 75,000.00 40.00%
£ 75,000.00-£ 200,000.00 45.00%
£ 200,000.00-£ 500,000.00 47.00%
£ 500,000.00-£ 1,000,000.00 50.00%
£ 1,000,000.00+ 52.00%

I would support neither. The top bracket is too low, though acceptable if we got other tax increases or decreases. The 30% rate seems a bit high to me at level, but it's acceptable.

So, please consider what we want before considering what the right wants. As it is, the current budget is incompatible with my party's minimum programme, which says:

(8) The establishment of a heavily progressive income tax and the reduction or elimination of all regressive taxes such as sales taxes and excise taxes.

Please consider the Red Greens in the future.

Also, HumanSanity, if the motion fails, could we start a non-party tg campaign against the budget?

[Pesda]

Party members, I would like to discuss reforming the whip system.

We need to firmly decide the number of seconds needed before the party will enforce the whip.

I suggest 10% of party membership, rounded to the nearest one. So right now four.

[HumanSanity]

Party members, I would like to discuss reforming the whip system.

We need to firmly decide the number of seconds needed before the party will enforce the whip.

I suggest 10% of party membership, rounded to the nearest one. So right now four.

For this motion the amount is five. Plain and simple.

And yes, I'd probably end up doing that.

[Maklohi Vai]

I will not stand in your way of rejecting a budget, but I hope you understand that everyone had to make sacrifices here, and nobody is going home completely happy. There are many who do not agree in full with the current proposal, myself included, but are going to recognize that we need to have a funded government, and that this budget is the best way to do that.

We haven't tried to pass the budget without the support of the right yet. I'd rather at least try to pass one we like before one we don't like.

I understand that opinion and I've voiced my thoughts on that before, so I will not again. I understand where you're coming from here, lest you be mistaken.

So, please consider what we want before considering what the right wants.

Aurentina is first above all else, be it party or coalition or self interest, and Aurentina needs a budget, and the government thought that this budget would work. I must consider what everybody wants because I want to work cooperatively and constructively, because that's going to get us where we need to be. Also, I see you making motions and objections now, but I don't recall you ever participating in the budget thread. Why was that?

[Pesda]

I suggest 10% of party membership, rounded to the nearest one. So right now four.

For this motion the amount is five. Plain and simple.

And yes, I'd probably end up doing that.

I know it's currently five, but that was a suggestion for if we want to change it in the future, as Oneracon was asking.

[Pesda]

We haven't tried to pass the budget without the support of the right yet. I'd rather at least try to pass one we like before one we don't like.

I understand that opinion and I've voiced my thoughts on that before, so I will not again. I understand where you're coming from here, lest you be mistaken.

So, please consider what we want before considering what the right wants.

Aurentina is first above all else, be it party or coalition or self interest, and Aurentina needs a budget, and the government thought that this budget would work. I must consider what everybody wants because I want to work cooperatively and constructively, because that's going to get us where we need to be. Also, I see you making motions and objections now, but I don't recall you ever participating in the budget thread. Why was that?

I just think we can try to get a good budget before we resort to having a worse one. I understand that any budget is better than no budget, but I don't agree with being multipartisan for the sake of it. Be multipartisan when there's need for it, and I don't see the need for it until we fail to pass our own budget.
The reason I didn't post in the budget thread is mainly OOC. Too little time, unfortunately, and even then I find it hard to keep track of all the senate related threads. I understand that it was wrong for me to accuse you of not listening when I had not expressed my opinion properly, so I apologise.

[Maklohi Vai]

I understand that opinion and I've voiced my thoughts on that before, so I will not again. I understand where you're coming from here, lest you be mistaken.


Aurentina is first above all else, be it party or coalition or self interest, and Aurentina needs a budget, and the government thought that this budget would work. I must consider what everybody wants because I want to work cooperatively and constructively, because that's going to get us where we need to be. Also, I see you making motions and objections now, but I don't recall you ever participating in the budget thread. Why was that?

I just think we can try to get a good budget before we resort to having a worse one. I understand that any budget is better than no budget, but I don't agree with being multipartisan for the sake of it. Be multipartisan when there's need for it, and I don't see the need for it until we fail to pass our own budget.

I believe this issue, namely that of whether to put multipartisanship first or second, is one that cannot be resolved very easily by debate. Inevitably there will be different conflicting opinions, and I think we are in that situation now. Ergo, as I see it makes little sense to argue further over this, I will leave you to discuss this with your party from this point. Thank you for a cordial conversation.

The reason I didn't post in the budget thread is mainly OOC. Too little time, unfortunately, and even then I find it hard to keep track of all the senate related threads. I understand that it was wrong for me to accuse you of not listening when I had not expressed my opinion properly, so I apologise.

Apology accepted, thank you.

[Pesda]

I just think we can try to get a good budget before we resort to having a worse one. I understand that any budget is better than no budget, but I don't agree with being multipartisan for the sake of it. Be multipartisan when there's need for it, and I don't see the need for it until we fail to pass our own budget.

I believe this issue, namely that of whether to put multipartisanship first or second, is one that cannot be resolved very easily by debate. Inevitably there will be different conflicting opinions, and I think we are in that situation now. Ergo, as I see it makes little sense to argue further over this, I will leave you to discuss this with your party from this point. Thank you for a cordial conversation.

The reason I didn't post in the budget thread is mainly OOC. Too little time, unfortunately, and even then I find it hard to keep track of all the senate related threads. I understand that it was wrong for me to accuse you of not listening when I had not expressed my opinion properly, so I apologise.

Apology accepted, thank you.

Very well.

[Oneracon]

Seeking support on the Third Amendment to the Second Constitution of the Senate, to enshrine into law what should be common sense: that laws are absolute until amended or repealed.

[Battlion]

Seeking support on the Third Amendment to the Second Constitution of the Senate, to enshrine into law what should be common sense: that laws are absolute until amended or repealed.

It's so common sense that it doesn't need a law, albeit this is just simply a response to SSA 2.

[Oneracon]

Seeking support on the Third Amendment to the Second Constitution of the Senate, to enshrine into law what should be common sense: that laws are absolute until amended or repealed.

It's so common sense that it doesn't need a law, albeit this is just simply a response to SSA 2.

No it is not and I object to your implication, Senator. It is a response to:

you can't just hand-wave it away.

Says who? Since there is no law banning it

Obviously we do need to codify it, since we need to remind people of common sense.

[Senate President pro Tempore]

The Confirmation of Alexander Ainin as the Prime Minister of Aurentina has begun, please vote here

[HumanSanity]

Can we please get more seconds on the motion against the Budgets?

[Byzantium Imperial]

It's so common sense that it doesn't need a law, albeit this is just simply a response to SSA 2.

No it is not and I object to your implication, Senator. It is a response to:

Says who? Since there is no law banning it

Obviously we do need to codify it, since we need to remind people of common sense.

While I get trying to codify certain things, this is just so blatantly obvious.... Its like mandating that bills should have names

[Oneracon]

No it is not and I object to your implication, Senator. It is a response to:


Obviously we do need to codify it, since we need to remind people of common sense.

While I get trying to codify certain things, this is just so blatantly obvious.... Its like mandating that bills should have names

We actually do mandate the format of bills. It's in the Second Constitution of the Senate.

[Ainin]

viewtopic.php?p=17121085#p17121085
umm....

[Pesda]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=17121085#p17121085
umm....

I move for a whip in favour of Ainin's confirmation.

[Unicario]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=17121085#p17121085
umm....

I move for a whip in favour of Ainin's confirmation.

Seconded.

[Polvia]

I move for a whip in favour of Ainin's confirmation.

Seconded.

Thirded.