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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:03 am

I believe we have some ambassadors but it's something we can start doing :)

New Corenea wrote:Hmmm, I don't know where to stand. It seems to give more data power to the government


This regarding the prepaid cards idea?

Because if so the government would already have the data but on paper, this is merely a more efficient way of getting peoples welfare to them but also preventing abusive spending.
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Postby Collective America » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:07 am

Oh boy....Liberals...The cancer of the left wing. Please tell me why you capitalist Dogs want to take guns away from the proletariat?
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Postby New Corenea » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:08 am

Yeah, I'm more of a limited government type, a libertarian conservative if you want to know
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Postby New Corenea » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:12 am

Collective America wrote:Oh boy....Liberals...The cancer of the left wing. Please tell me why you capitalist Dogs want to take guns away from the proletariat?


What the... get out of here!
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:12 am

Collective America wrote:Oh boy....Liberals...The cancer of the left wing. Please tell me why you capitalist Dogs want to take guns away from the proletariat?


There is no gun policy at the NLP, and if you read our policy we're not left wing we're centre and even slightly centre-right.


New Corenea wrote:Yeah, I'm more of a limited government type, a libertarian conservative if you want to know


Ok, I understand that but this method of welfare (Which is accepted in all states of the US by the way) reduces the cost of welfare in the long run meaning we'd be able to cut taxes down elsewhere and/or cut the welfare budget.

It also allows for benefit claimants to only spend their money on essentials that are what the Universal credit is actually given for, which prevents them from purchasing drugs or alcohol on the measure of having their card blocked for that month. Additionally if we decided to give people the power to add money to their own cards it would encourage claimants to get a job, yes it would still have the same restrictions, but it allows for more personal budgeting, less paperwork, less bureaucracy and overall less burden on the taxpayer.
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Postby New Corenea » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:13 am

I'm only for welfare in the case where it encourage people to find jobs, not to rely on government continuously
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:15 am

New Corenea wrote:I'm only for welfare in the case where it encourage people to find jobs, not to rely on government continuously


Which is what these cards would do, once the money on them is out that is literally all you have until the next month.

So if they run out, get a job so they can have more money.

It's an easier method to deliver the welfare system that already exists and would be a step closer for Aurentina becoming digital :)


I believe these were introduced in America by Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act (1996) and had them phased in to 2002, state governments would top up the cards when benefits were due therefore we could in theory give every claimant their benefits at the same time.
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Postby Seitonjin » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:21 am

Battlion wrote:
New Corenea wrote:I'm only for welfare in the case where it encourage people to find jobs, not to rely on government continuously


Which is what these cards would do, once the money on them is out that is literally all you have until the next month.

So if they run out, get a job so they can have more money.

It's an easier method to deliver the welfare system that already exists and would be a step closer for Aurentina becoming digital :)


I believe these were introduced in America by Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act (1996) and had them phased in to 2002, state governments would top up the cards when benefits were due therefore we could in theory give every claimant their benefits at the same time.

Seito supports this.

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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:25 am

Seitonjin wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Which is what these cards would do, once the money on them is out that is literally all you have until the next month.

So if they run out, get a job so they can have more money.

It's an easier method to deliver the welfare system that already exists and would be a step closer for Aurentina becoming digital :)


I believe these were introduced in America by Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act (1996) and had them phased in to 2002, state governments would top up the cards when benefits were due therefore we could in theory give every claimant their benefits at the same time.

Seito supports this.

Preemptive political fap.


Brilliant, we are really building up some solid visionary policy ideas here.

Citizens Dividend, Young Aurentine Card and Prepaid Benefit Cards...

Let's see what else you guys can come up with, I'll give some rough ideas and see what we think :)

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Postby New Corenea » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:26 am

What's the population size of Aurentina?
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:27 am

New Corenea wrote:What's the population size of Aurentina?


I'm not 100% sure off the top of my head, I propose you ask in the coffee shop :)

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Ainin
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Postby Ainin » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:47 am

It's 40,863,144.
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:51 am

Ainin wrote:It's 40,863,144.


Thank you for being so precise :o

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Postby Ainin » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:59 am

Battlion wrote:
Ainin wrote:It's 40,863,144.


Thank you for being so precise :o

Got it from the Economic Data Committee thread.
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:00 am

Ainin wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Thank you for being so precise :o

Got it from the Economic Data Committee thread.


Ah, I was curious if it was in there...

Had been about to look

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Postby Lamaredia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:07 am

Collective America wrote:Oh boy....Liberals...The cancer of the left wing. Please tell me why you capitalist Dogs want to take guns away from the proletariat?


Buzz off. You have no place here, just get out.
Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:14 am

Lamaredia wrote:
Collective America wrote:Oh boy....Liberals...The cancer of the left wing. Please tell me why you capitalist Dogs want to take guns away from the proletariat?


Buzz off. You have no place here, just get out.


Must say I agree, now back to the policy discussions...

Lamaredia, any opinions on prepaid benefit cards and other discussions?

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Postby Lamaredia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:15 am

Edited out, even though I didn't exactly want to.
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Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Postby Lamaredia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:16 am

Battlion wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
Buzz off. You have no place here, just get out.


Must say I agree, now back to the policy discussions...

Lamaredia, any opinions on prepaid benefit cards and other discussions?


Not at the moment no. I feel like I would need to be more informed before I join the discussion. Although, from what i have read the prepaid benefit cards seems like a good idea.
Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:26 am

Can I ask you edit out those pictures and the swearing buddy?


Also, additionally I'd recommend researching it but I will provide full details soon.

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Postby Lamaredia » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:31 am

Battlion wrote:Can I ask you edit out those pictures and the swearing buddy?


Also, additionally I'd recommend researching it but I will provide full details soon.


Done, although I was muttering while doing so. I have quite the sore spot when it comes to Libertarians.
Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:35 am

Lamaredia wrote:
Battlion wrote:Can I ask you edit out those pictures and the swearing buddy?


Also, additionally I'd recommend researching it but I will provide full details soon.


Done, although I was muttering while doing so. I have quite the sore spot when it comes to Libertarians.


I fully understand, however we must respect all viewpoints and debate them reasonably and not in that manner.

Now, back on topic... I am awaiting Nihil's part of the Citizens Dividend proposal before I get started on my part and then I shall work my way through drafting legislation for the Young Aurentine Card and the implementation of Universal Credit through Prepaid benefit cards.

It does look that through the latter I may have to include a part amending the Universal Credit Act regarding how it is paid and how they apply for it to make it much less bureaucratic than it currently is. It's not detailed enough therefore the bill shall address these problems additionally.
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Postby Europe and the Americas » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:52 am

Gosh, I've missed a lot from my holiday.

Well, regarding all the current discussions I'm fully supportive of every single one of them and I really do like the Citizens Dividend proposal.

If I could suggest a name could it be The Aurentina Citizens Fund?
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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:56 am

Europe and the Americas wrote:Gosh, I've missed a lot from my holiday.

Well, regarding all the current discussions I'm fully supportive of every single one of them and I really do like the Citizens Dividend proposal.

If I could suggest a name could it be The Aurentina Citizens Fund?


I hadn't really thought of a name for it but I'll have a wee think.

I really do think we're proposing innovative policies that will make a real difference to this nation and it's people, hopefully we will get these passed into law and then we can really say we're achieving our goals.

ooi, where did you go on holiday?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:03 am

Battlion wrote:
Europe and the Americas wrote:Gosh, I've missed a lot from my holiday.

Well, regarding all the current discussions I'm fully supportive of every single one of them and I really do like the Citizens Dividend proposal.

If I could suggest a name could it be The Aurentina Citizens Fund?


I hadn't really thought of a name for it but I'll have a wee think.

I really do think we're proposing innovative policies that will make a real difference to this nation and it's people, hopefully we will get these passed into law and then we can really say we're achieving our goals.

ooi, where did you go on holiday?


Yes, nothing I have read here so far have I ever seen here in any other party in my 3 months here in the senate. They are all the same we trodden policies that have been tried on a large scale elsewhere. Like I said in may speech in the chamber yesterday I believe we could be creating a new political consensus the like of which has not been seen since Thatcher turned the labour party into new Labour capitalists in favor of deregulation the financial sector.
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