The National Liberal Party HQ [NSG Senate]

[New Corenea]

I want the poor to live well, that's why I support the private sector where the poor can rise up. Andrew Carnegie didn't start off rich.

[Seitonjin]

I want it pegged lower. (35% maximum plox)

As I also want elimination of VAT all together.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I want the poor to live well, that's why I support the private sector where the poor can rise up. Andre Carnegie didn't start off rich.

True. I know I might sound harsh, but I don't want to see the poor suffering. However, that does not mean that good/excellent standard of living constitutes luxury, as another Senator was implying earlier. True, I want everyone to live in a good/excellent standard of living, but luxury is simply not part of that term.

[Seitonjin]

I want the poor to live well, that's why I support the private sector where the poor can rise up. Andre Carnegie didn't start off rich.

True. I know I might sound harsh, but I don't want to see the poor suffering. However, that does not mean that good/excellent standard of living constitutes luxury, as another Senator was implying earlier. True, I want everyone to live in a good/excellent standard of living, but luxury is simply not part of that term.

I suggest that the elimination of VAT and such taxes like inheritance would be the best way for this.

Income taxes may be high only if corporate and sales taxes are kept at a minimum.

[New Corenea]

You being successful shouldn't give someone a reason to force you to give way more money. The reason why Sweden with their high tax rate managed to live well and still have jobs is because their population size is around 10 million which is way smaller than the United States and China.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

You being successful shouldn't give someone a reason to force you to give way more money. The reason why Sweden with their high tax rate managed to live well and still have jobs is because their population size is around 10 million which is way smaller than the United States and China.

That is very true. And the other Senator isn't realizing this.

[Seitonjin]

You being successful shouldn't give someone a reason to force you to give way more money. The reason why Sweden with their high tax rate managed to live well and still have jobs is because their population size is around 10 million which is way smaller than the United States and China.

Indeed.

But sales taxes. They are a menace all around.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

You being successful shouldn't give someone a reason to force you to give way more money. The reason why Sweden with their high tax rate managed to live well and still have jobs is because their population size is around 10 million which is way smaller than the United States and China.

Indeed.

But sales taxes. They are a menace all around.

For the most part. Except when taxing drugs; yes, I found out that in Aurentina, cocaine and heroin are legal. I am very shocked, but it seems like some Senators want to keep it that way, so I am guessing we will have to prepare for the worse.

And, to the Chairman of the party, what I meant by changing our platform in the area of taxation, I meant to define a clear policy.

[Seitonjin]

Indeed.

But sales taxes. They are a menace all around.

For the most part. Except when taxing drugs; yes, I found out that in Aurentina, cocaine and heroin are legal. I am very shocked, but it seems like some Senators want to keep it that way, so I am guessing we will have to prepare for the worse.

And, to the Chairman of the party, what I meant by changing our platform in the area of taxation, I meant to define a clear policy.

There are limits indeed. Drugs must be taxed to keep consumption low .

Clearly needed.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

For the most part. Except when taxing drugs; yes, I found out that in Aurentina, cocaine and heroin are legal. I am very shocked, but it seems like some Senators want to keep it that way, so I am guessing we will have to prepare for the worse.

And, to the Chairman of the party, what I meant by changing our platform in the area of taxation, I meant to define a clear policy.

There are limits indeed. Drugs must be taxed to keep consumption low .

Clearly needed.

Yea, but high taxes. I am talking near 90% or so. These drugs (cocaine and heroin) have a deleterious effect on the individual and society.

[Seitonjin]

There are limits indeed. Drugs must be taxed to keep consumption low .

Clearly needed.

Yea, but high taxes. I am talking near 90% or so. These drugs (cocaine and heroin) have a deleterious effect on the individual and society.

65% with a clear warning would suffice.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Yea, but high taxes. I am talking near 90% or so. These drugs (cocaine and heroin) have a deleterious effect on the individual and society.

65% with a clear warning would suffice.

65% - 70%

[Seitonjin]

65% with a clear warning would suffice.

65% - 70%

Good enough. Alcohol and cigarettes are know menaces in large quantities too :/

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

65% - 70%

Good enough. Alcohol and cigarettes are know menaces in large quantities too :/

True. But I think they have a high tax as well.

[New Corenea]

Well, high taxes on drugs are fair enough

[Battlion]

Well, regarding tax policy this is a wide area do discussion may take a while... the outcome I want from this is actual legislation that we can put in one of the placeholder posts to show "look, we have legislation ready" and then propose it when it is highly suitable.

I will be inputting my CoE bills shortly as they are party policy in that respect, I am also feeling we should propose a bill that would prevent governments being ridiculous in budget setting and requiring by law that a budget be proposed within one week of taking office. Of course however, we must remember if the budget doesn't be approved by the Senate like this one. I agree with negotiation therefore I'd suggest an additional week period after this to propose a budget.

If that's not agreed on I suggest a basic budget being set out by law such as 30-40% of GDP available to be spent on departments and government business.

Additionally, I believe we need to form a Welfare policy that focuses on the individual with a contributory system... The more you put in and the more you get out. This would be radical reform, however something I think should make welfare much more affordable.

[Battlion]

Additionally, I will write up legislation pertaining to the Citizens Dividend proposal.

I feel this would be a good incentive to reduce taxation ever so slightly and reduce the demand on Universal Credit by allowing every citizen to receive money from the government which derives from business charges such as a duty or rent for land. I feel we should link this to one of Aurentina's Major Industry OR we could apply it to all corporations that rent land from the government, simple rent profits could then be split with some going to the government and the rest being split among citizens who all receive an equal share.

[The Nihilistic view]

Additionally, I will write up legislation pertaining to the Citizens Dividend proposal.

I feel this would be a good incentive to reduce taxation ever so slightly and reduce the demand on Universal Credit by allowing every citizen to receive money from the government which derives from business charges such as a duty or rent for land. I feel we should link this to one of Aurentina's Major Industry OR we could apply it to all corporations that rent land from the government, simple rent profits could then be split with some going to the government and the rest being split among citizens who all receive an equal share.

How does the government get the land? buy up disused sites to rent out?

[Battlion]

Additionally, I will write up legislation pertaining to the Citizens Dividend proposal.

I feel this would be a good incentive to reduce taxation ever so slightly and reduce the demand on Universal Credit by allowing every citizen to receive money from the government which derives from business charges such as a duty or rent for land. I feel we should link this to one of Aurentina's Major Industry OR we could apply it to all corporations that rent land from the government, simple rent profits could then be split with some going to the government and the rest being split among citizens who all receive an equal share.

How does the government get the land? buy up disused sites to rent out?

Yes, that would be the idea but we should also consider already owned government land such as areas that are oil rich or have a vast quantity of a valuable resource in them.

[Battlion]

This might be a good idea to read

This gives some more insight into the way it is used in Alaska

[The Nihilistic view]

How does the government get the land? buy up disused sites to rent out?

Yes, that would be the idea but we should also consider already owned government land such as areas that are oil rich or have a vast quantity of a valuable resource in them.

Sounds like a good idea. Could help rejuvenate derelict brownfield sites instead of just building new as the private sector tends to do, That's good for the environment. If the rent is a proportion of profit only then it helps poor people that have no backing start up businesses. Finally it would be a good return on taxpayers money.

Oil for sure we should have a tax on that, most governments tax it at source in some way like the UK does with the North sea oil. Other minerals on land though I am hesitant mainly because it is not really done anywhere in the world as far as I know. since all mineral have the same world trading price around the world It could crash the industry in our nation. As it becomes too expencive to mine when the companies can go almost anywhere else in the world to mine instead, that's not good for the economy or the unemployment rate.

[Battlion]

Yes, that would be the idea but we should also consider already owned government land such as areas that are oil rich or have a vast quantity of a valuable resource in them.

Sounds like a good idea. Could help rejuvenate derelict brownfield sites instead of just building new as the private sector tends to do, That's good for the environment. If the rent is a proportion of profit only then it helps poor people that have no backing start up businesses. Finally it would be a good return on taxpayers money.

Oil for sure we should have a tax on that, most governments tax it at source in some way like the UK does with the North sea oil. Other minerals on land though I am hesitant mainly because it is not really done anywhere in the world as far as I know. since all mineral have the same world trading price around the world It could crash the industry in our nation. As it becomes too expencive to mine when the companies can go almost anywhere else in the world to mine instead, that's not good for the economy or the unemployment rate.

It is most notable in Alaska where as the articles state, grew massively following the introduction. If we are to do this we must do it at the start and not really late on, there are other uses in other nations but it is under a slightly different name I believe. The reason it is hardly used is because it can't be used later on in a nations history, it needs to be at the start of the nation or early on such as we have now with Aurentina.

I believe this will attract business which then increases land and property values whilst also providing jobs but also giving citizens an additional source of income giving the taxpayer their payment from the nations land which everybody has some land too and giving them money they can then use to spend in the economy or save for their own wealth therefore having the potential to increase equality.

Regarding a crash, if we lowered the tax/rent/duty low enough whilst it may be low on international level it makes us more attractive to business. This sort of proposal needs a tiny bit of time to get in the full swing but once it does there are huge benefits...

[The Nihilistic view]

This might be a good idea to read

This gives some more insight into the way it is used in Alaska

Very Interesting, thanks for digging out those articles.

[Battlion]

This might be a good idea to read

This gives some more insight into the way it is used in Alaska

Very Interesting, thanks for digging out those articles.

I'm glad that you're taking a shine to this, I would happily draft a policy if it would aid in this however basics would be needed such as if we're charging fees, taxes or duty and whether it should apply to all land or a resource or to something else entirely as one of the articles suggest it really can be used regardless of if we are resource rich or not.

[Battlion]

Also additionally, it has sort of been done in Hong Kong but not as far as I'm suggesting we go with this.

Whilst I am sure a lot of people will see this as a progressive and left wing idea, it really can benefit everyone from citizens to big business and it's an important opportunity that we can grab right now.