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by Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:18 pm
Brissia wrote:OK, men, what's today's subject?


by Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:22 pm
Brissia wrote:Battlion wrote:
Well, there is none as Seito is still finishing his proposal and EoA and Falmerheim are collaboratively working on an Asylum Seekers bill so there are a few things open for the taking if people wanted to propose ideas
Possibly outlawing the ability for a pound to put down animals, unless the specified animal will only be harmed if not put down?

by Ainin » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:22 pm

by Brissia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:24 pm
Battlion wrote:Brissia wrote:Possibly outlawing the ability for a pound to put down animals, unless the specified animal will only be harmed if not put down?
That's a brilliant idea, would you like to draft up a proposal?
If you do, I suggest you find figures and statistics and arguments in favour of your proposal for the debate

by Falmerheim » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:25 pm
Ainin wrote:To the people writing the asylum bill:
Please note Aurentina is a signatory of the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.
#JustAHelpfulTip

by Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:25 pm
Brissia wrote:Battlion wrote:
That's a brilliant idea, would you like to draft up a proposal?
If you do, I suggest you find figures and statistics and arguments in favour of your proposal for the debate
Just an idea.
Anyway, are there any current discussions or Senate bills we are voting on that I should be aware of?

by Ainin » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:38 pm

by Falmerheim » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:40 pm
Ainin wrote:Falmerheim wrote:
Brilliant, I was about to ask if there was any treaties or conventions we were bound by.
Could you link me to it?
http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49da0e466.html


by Lamaredia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:42 pm
Battlion wrote:Brissia wrote:Possibly outlawing the ability for a pound to put down animals, unless the specified animal will only be harmed if not put down?
That's a brilliant idea, would you like to draft up a proposal?
If you do, I suggest you find figures and statistics and arguments in favour of your proposal for the debate

by Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:44 pm
Lamaredia wrote:Battlion wrote:
That's a brilliant idea, would you like to draft up a proposal?
If you do, I suggest you find figures and statistics and arguments in favour of your proposal for the debate
Isn't it sometimes needed for a pound to put down an animal if they don't have room in the pound itself?

by Lamaredia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:48 pm

by Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:50 pm
Lamaredia wrote:Battlion wrote:
I don't think that should ever be needed frankly
But we would have to increase the funding dramatically to the pounds in Aurentine for it to be possible to not put down any animals.
There would be an increased cost because we would need more pounds to keep the animals in (alternatively also expand already existing ones) and the pounds would also need more money for food and for medical supplies for the animals. It's horrible that we have to put down the animals, but if we don't get more people to adopt them or pay more money to the pounds then there aren't any other alternatives.

by Lamaredia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:53 pm
Battlion wrote:Lamaredia wrote:
But we would have to increase the funding dramatically to the pounds in Aurentine for it to be possible to not put down any animals.
There would be an increased cost because we would need more pounds to keep the animals in (alternatively also expand already existing ones) and the pounds would also need more money for food and for medical supplies for the animals. It's horrible that we have to put down the animals, but if we don't get more people to adopt them or pay more money to the pounds then there aren't any other alternatives.
Funding increase I can support, there is hardly anything there for them.

by Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:54 pm
Lamaredia wrote:Battlion wrote:
Funding increase I can support, there is hardly anything there for them.
But the funding would have to be increased dramatically (By several billions in fact) to be able to lower the amount of euthanizations compared to the size of Aurentine. I just don't think that it's economically viable at this point to even consider it.

by Lamaredia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:56 pm
Battlion wrote:Lamaredia wrote:
But the funding would have to be increased dramatically (By several billions in fact) to be able to lower the amount of euthanizations compared to the size of Aurentine. I just don't think that it's economically viable at this point to even consider it.
Possibly an increase year on year, steadily.
We should have it as an eventual goal

by Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:59 pm
Lamaredia wrote:
I can't say that I can support it until we've established Aurentine as an economic power in the world, due to our current economical situation. (I mean, the deficit we almost fell into was HUGE) Perhaps we can begin to consider this in around 10-15 years.

by Lamaredia » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:01 am
Battlion wrote:Lamaredia wrote:
I can't say that I can support it until we've established Aurentine as an economic power in the world, due to our current economical situation. (I mean, the deficit we almost fell into was HUGE) Perhaps we can begin to consider this in around 10-15 years.
Again, why I say it should be an eventual goal?

by Battlion » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:03 am

by Lamaredia » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:22 am
Battlion wrote:Lamaredia wrote:
Ah, I must have missed that sentence.
We already have policies that express "in the long run" and in the "long term" so this would easily be something we can agree with, now the question is would we have it as a policy point or an actual piece of party legislation.
Note the plan for party legislation is that it all goes in one of the OP's and members would be welcome to put it into the coffee shop or chamber as they wish.

by Battlion » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:23 am
Lamaredia wrote:Battlion wrote:
We already have policies that express "in the long run" and in the "long term" so this would easily be something we can agree with, now the question is would we have it as a policy point or an actual piece of party legislation.
Note the plan for party legislation is that it all goes in one of the OP's and members would be welcome to put it into the coffee shop or chamber as they wish.
Hmm... I'm not sure if it should be legislation or a policy. What do you think?

by Lamaredia » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:27 am
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