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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:18 am

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Definitely something I think we can consider, it would save the administration further money and money we desperately need.


IT would only save money if the private sector were allowed to charge a fee for the card from the applicant. So far as I know it was supposed to be free at to all children from 13. Thus giving it to the private sector will make it more expensive as we only need to use taxes to pay for running costs but if the private sector is given it the government will have to pay them profit as well as costs.


Oh no, this was discussing the Universal Credit benefit card.

But I guess the same things apply right?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:28 am

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IT would only save money if the private sector were allowed to charge a fee for the card from the applicant. So far as I know it was supposed to be free at to all children from 13. Thus giving it to the private sector will make it more expensive as we only need to use taxes to pay for running costs but if the private sector is given it the government will have to pay them profit as well as costs.


Oh no, this was discussing the Universal Credit benefit card.

But I guess the same things apply right?


Oh, right, yeah I would have thought what I said above would apply to both cards.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:29 am

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Oh no, this was discussing the Universal Credit benefit card.

But I guess the same things apply right?


Oh, right, yeah I would have thought what I said above would apply to both cards.


Well, we can't charge a fee from the UC unless a fee was put in for every time they use the card?

But I don't know how the reaction from that would be from several parties in the Senate and I want to unite people behind the policy not divide it.


Or, we could impose charges on unwanted luxuries? Instead of essentials, but not sure how we could balance it with blocks.
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Postby Falmerheim » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:25 am

I'm just going to have a look through everything I've missed then I will comment on the proposals.
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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:27 am

What would we define as luxuries?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:31 am

Europe and the Americas wrote:What would we define as luxuries?


There was a list of things we were thinking about using as a base to add to. They are things that some US states bans. I will find it.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:32 am

Battlion wrote:•100 per cent blocked EBT cards from being used in casinos
•40 per cent blocked other types of gaming businesses, including
poker rooms, bingo halls and horse or dog tracks
•40 per cent blocked adult entertainment clubs, massage
parlours, businesses that sell alcohol (night clubs, bars, saloons
or taverns), as well as bail bondsmen and tattoo or piercing
parlours, tobacco and cannabis shops
•20 per cent blocked cruise ships, firearms and ammunition
dealers, psychic readers and spas and salons

These are the figures for the EBT card used in the USA.


Here, I said in another post that Out of that lot all should be blocked apart from hair salons as a tidy appearance is crucial to have success in job interviews and making the right impression.
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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:33 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Europe and the Americas wrote:What would we define as luxuries?


There was a list of things we were thinking about using as a base to add to. They are things that some US states bans. I will find it.


Ok, I personally believe that we should really only not have charges on non-essentials such as food etc.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:34 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Battlion wrote:•100 per cent blocked EBT cards from being used in casinos
•40 per cent blocked other types of gaming businesses, including
poker rooms, bingo halls and horse or dog tracks
•40 per cent blocked adult entertainment clubs, massage
parlours, businesses that sell alcohol (night clubs, bars, saloons
or taverns), as well as bail bondsmen and tattoo or piercing
parlours, tobacco and cannabis shops
•20 per cent blocked cruise ships, firearms and ammunition
dealers, psychic readers and spas and salons

These are the figures for the EBT card used in the USA.


Here, I said in another post that Out of that lot all should be blocked apart from hair salons as a tidy appearance is crucial to have success in job interviews and making the right impression.


On Salons, surely they can make their own tidy appearance at home?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:36 am

Battlion wrote:
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Here, I said in another post that Out of that lot all should be blocked apart from hair salons as a tidy appearance is crucial to have success in job interviews and making the right impression.


On Salons, surely they can make their own tidy appearance at home?


I would make my hair look a right fucking mess if I tried to cut it myself :rofl: .
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:37 am

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On Salons, surely they can make their own tidy appearance at home?


I would make my hair look a right fucking mess if I tried to cut it myself :rofl: .


Surely they can comb etc, I do see your point on it but I'm really not sure.

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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:39 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Battlion wrote:•100 per cent blocked EBT cards from being used in casinos
•40 per cent blocked other types of gaming businesses, including
poker rooms, bingo halls and horse or dog tracks
•40 per cent blocked adult entertainment clubs, massage
parlours, businesses that sell alcohol (night clubs, bars, saloons
or taverns), as well as bail bondsmen and tattoo or piercing
parlours, tobacco and cannabis shops
•20 per cent blocked cruise ships, firearms and ammunition
dealers, psychic readers and spas and salons

These are the figures for the EBT card used in the USA.


Here, I said in another post that Out of that lot all should be blocked apart from hair salons as a tidy appearance is crucial to have success in job interviews and making the right impression.


Casino - Yes
Other gaming businesses - Yes
Adult entertainment clubs, massage parlours, night clubs, bars, saloons, taverns, tattoo and piercings, tobacco and cannabis - Yes
Cruise Ships, firearms + ammunition dealers, psychic readers, spas - Yes

I agree with Salons on not really needing to be banned, but I think we need to be careful not to be too controlling on how it's spent.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:11 am

I too agree on trying not to control spending, but some limits need to be put into place.

Salons I can agree taking out I guess, but the rest of the basic stuff outlined there I completely agree being blocked.

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Postby Falmerheim » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:08 am

I absolutely love the proposals being put up, they have my full support.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:09 am

Falmerheim wrote:I absolutely love the proposals being put up, they have my full support.


Brilliant, is there anything you would like additionally?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:11 am

Battlion wrote:I too agree on trying not to control spending, but some limits need to be put into place.

Salons I can agree taking out I guess, but the rest of the basic stuff outlined there I completely agree being blocked.


Yeah same, is there anything we should add to the blocked do you think? Since brothels are legal I think we should add them to the list.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:17 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Battlion wrote:I too agree on trying not to control spending, but some limits need to be put into place.

Salons I can agree taking out I guess, but the rest of the basic stuff outlined there I completely agree being blocked.


Yeah same, is there anything we should add to the blocked do you think? Since brothels are legal I think we should add them to the list.


Agreed, is there anything else legalised that isn't appropriate for spending the taxpayers money on?

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:19 am

Battlion wrote:
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Yeah same, is there anything we should add to the blocked do you think? Since brothels are legal I think we should add them to the list.


Agreed, is there anything else legalised that isn't appropriate for spending the taxpayers money on?


That reminds me all Narcotics are legal still. Don't want them spending it on Cocaine or heroin.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:21 am

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Agreed, is there anything else legalised that isn't appropriate for spending the taxpayers money on?


That reminds me all Narcotics are legal still. Don't want them spending it on Cocaine or heroine.


Definitely

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:58 am

I think you should start to write up the three bills. If you want to delegate any of the sections to me (Like with the section I wrote yesterday) to write then let me know and what you want included in them and I shall help.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:59 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:I think you should start to write up the three bills. If you want to delegate any of the sections to me (Like with the section I wrote yesterday) to write then let me know and what you want included in them and I shall help.


We'll wait till the debate stage ends tomorrow, unless there is a major objection then we can start :)

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Postby Falmerheim » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:48 am

I have no objections whatsoever.
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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:51 am

I also don't have any objections either, if I think of any I will bring them up.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:57 am

Glad people are happy with these ideas, now we just got to get everyone else to like them :)

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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:10 am

I was wondering how would people think about a piece of legislation that puts an Asylum seeker system in place?
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