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Seitonjin
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Postby Battlion » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:15 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
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It's an interesting concept, but then we would have to store more information on the young people and it would make it very confusing.

I'm not sure one card could have as many functions as we want, it'd simply be another card and I don't think it'd be too much of an issue to carry both


I don't know about more, it would be one database instead of two separate ones like it will e at the moment. Will there be an electronic chip in the Young Aurentine card?


No, merely a hologram.

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Postby Seitonjin » Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:46 pm

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Is this still being edited my friend?

I am picking out parts that are best to use for policy.

Would be done by tomorrow.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:27 am

Ah ok, let me know when the full thing is finished my friend with an outline of the policy you want to do so I can link it in :)

Debate ends tomorrow, so any last thoughts on the 3 policies would be really good, if there is no significant opposition it can go into drafting stage.

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Postby Holyhex » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:31 am

I see both Hanover and Coronea have left the party. That's a shame.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:39 am

Holyhex wrote:I see both Hanover and Coronea have left the party. That's a shame.


Agreed, do you have any opinion on the current discussions?

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Postby Holyhex » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:48 am

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Holyhex wrote:I see both Hanover and Coronea have left the party. That's a shame.


Agreed, do you have any opinion on the current discussions?


I'm just thinking, why should youth get a card and not everyone else?

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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:59 am

Holyhex wrote:
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Agreed, do you have any opinion on the current discussions?


I'm just thinking, why should youth get a card and not everyone else?


The idea is that it acts as a form of identification, opens the economy up to young people by bringing discounts to many retailers and local services, brings more independence and responsibility to young people and promotes good citizenship.

Any further ideas on the other proposals? :)

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Postby The National Liberal Party » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:05 am

Removed New Corena and Hannover from the Membership list :)
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:07 am

I'm sorry if I'm a bit inactive at the moment, there's only 8 days until education starts so I'm currently faffing around with stuff that needs to be prepared for then. I will also only be able to really contribute to anything on weekends from the 20th and forwards (Well, except for breaks)
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:10 am

Lamaredia wrote:I'm sorry if I'm a bit inactive at the moment, there's only 8 days until education starts so I'm currently faffing around with stuff that needs to be prepared for then. I will also only be able to really contribute to anything on weekends from the 20th and forwards (Well, except for breaks)


That is fine my friend, I get exam results in 3 days and that will probably lead to many days of drinking either in sorrow or in joy :P


Any opinions on the proposals?

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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:17 am

Battlion wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:I'm sorry if I'm a bit inactive at the moment, there's only 8 days until education starts so I'm currently faffing around with stuff that needs to be prepared for then. I will also only be able to really contribute to anything on weekends from the 20th and forwards (Well, except for breaks)


That is fine my friend, I get exam results in 3 days and that will probably lead to many days of drinking either in sorrow or in joy :P


Any opinions on the proposals?


Nothing that hasn't already been said.
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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

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Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:18 am

Lamaredia wrote:
Battlion wrote:
That is fine my friend, I get exam results in 3 days and that will probably lead to many days of drinking either in sorrow or in joy :P


Any opinions on the proposals?


Nothing that hasn't already been said.


Brilliant :)

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Postby The National Liberal Party » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:42 am

I have updated the party logo a little bit... only a cosmetic change...

Hope you like it!

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I couldn't change the flag on the account, so I left it :)

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Europe and the Americas
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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:50 am

I really like the logo!

Now, on to the matters of policies.

Regarding the Citizens Dividend proposal, how would the first few years work from the formula you provided from the Alaskan model?
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:55 am

Europe and the Americas wrote:I really like the logo!

Now, on to the matters of policies.

Regarding the Citizens Dividend proposal, how would the first few years work from the formula you provided from the Alaskan model?


I believe by the method described, although I do assume that the costs would vary year to year thus the price would slowly change.

I'll try see what happened in Alaska, because as the figures I posted a few pages back showed a drop from the $1000 first distribution to $386.15 the next year. It took from 1982 to 1995 for the dividend to actually get back above that level, so it does show we need to implement it early so we can get the prices up early.

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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:57 am

Battlion wrote:
Europe and the Americas wrote:I really like the logo!

Now, on to the matters of policies.

Regarding the Citizens Dividend proposal, how would the first few years work from the formula you provided from the Alaskan model?


I believe by the method described, although I do assume that the costs would vary year to year thus the price would slowly change.

I'll try see what happened in Alaska, because as the figures I posted a few pages back showed a drop from the $1000 first distribution to $386.15 the next year. It took from 1982 to 1995 for the dividend to actually get back above that level, so it does show we need to implement it early so we can get the prices up early.


I see that as reasonable, additionally about the prepaid benefit cards for Universal Credit you mentioned that the benefits could be stopped for a month if it was being misused the current UC is applied for yearly.

Will you be proposing amendments or a new bill to clarify what to do?
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:02 am

Europe and the Americas wrote:
Battlion wrote:
I believe by the method described, although I do assume that the costs would vary year to year thus the price would slowly change.

I'll try see what happened in Alaska, because as the figures I posted a few pages back showed a drop from the $1000 first distribution to $386.15 the next year. It took from 1982 to 1995 for the dividend to actually get back above that level, so it does show we need to implement it early so we can get the prices up early.


I see that as reasonable, additionally about the prepaid benefit cards for Universal Credit you mentioned that the benefits could be stopped for a month if it was being misused the current UC is applied for yearly.

Will you be proposing amendments or a new bill to clarify what to do?


The law I want to propose will not only amend the way UC is distributed but also the way it is applied for.

I agree with a yearly application, that is fine but I would prefer it to be split into 12 equal parts distributed every month onto their own personal prepaid benefit card.

I am also proposing we make it fully possible for citizens own money to be added to these prepaid cards at a pay point if they so wish, although if we impose restrictions they will still apply, therefore an incentive to work is added on so you can increase your income. Additionally, we can make it possible for the government to claim back any UC that isn't used over the monthly/yearly period and allow it to roll over to the next payment or take back some and give some back the next month.

This would reward responsible and sensible spending and encourage proper budgeting.

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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:05 am

Battlion wrote:
Europe and the Americas wrote:
I see that as reasonable, additionally about the prepaid benefit cards for Universal Credit you mentioned that the benefits could be stopped for a month if it was being misused the current UC is applied for yearly.

Will you be proposing amendments or a new bill to clarify what to do?


The law I want to propose will not only amend the way UC is distributed but also the way it is applied for.

I agree with a yearly application, that is fine but I would prefer it to be split into 12 equal parts distributed every month onto their own personal prepaid benefit card.

I am also proposing we make it fully possible for citizens own money to be added to these prepaid cards at a pay point if they so wish, although if we impose restrictions they will still apply, therefore an incentive to work is added on so you can increase your income. Additionally, we can make it possible for the government to claim back any UC that isn't used over the monthly/yearly period and allow it to roll over to the next payment or take back some and give some back the next month.

This would reward responsible and sensible spending and encourage proper budgeting.


That is a brilliant idea (the roll over) and I agree with the splitting of UC payments monthly instead of yearly, would allow us to monitor unsuitable spending much easier.

What role would the Private Sector play in this proposal may I ask?
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:06 am

Europe and the Americas wrote:
Battlion wrote:
The law I want to propose will not only amend the way UC is distributed but also the way it is applied for.

I agree with a yearly application, that is fine but I would prefer it to be split into 12 equal parts distributed every month onto their own personal prepaid benefit card.

I am also proposing we make it fully possible for citizens own money to be added to these prepaid cards at a pay point if they so wish, although if we impose restrictions they will still apply, therefore an incentive to work is added on so you can increase your income. Additionally, we can make it possible for the government to claim back any UC that isn't used over the monthly/yearly period and allow it to roll over to the next payment or take back some and give some back the next month.

This would reward responsible and sensible spending and encourage proper budgeting.


That is a brilliant idea (the roll over) and I agree with the splitting of UC payments monthly instead of yearly, would allow us to monitor unsuitable spending much easier.

What role would the Private Sector play in this proposal may I ask?


None as far as I had planned, but it could be possible for the Private Sector to distribute the cards and/or monitor them but the final blocking decision would have to come down to the government and/or an Independent regulator that we could establish in the bill?

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Postby Europe and the Americas » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:10 am

Battlion wrote:
Europe and the Americas wrote:
That is a brilliant idea (the roll over) and I agree with the splitting of UC payments monthly instead of yearly, would allow us to monitor unsuitable spending much easier.

What role would the Private Sector play in this proposal may I ask?


None as far as I had planned, but it could be possible for the Private Sector to distribute the cards and/or monitor them but the final blocking decision would have to come down to the government and/or an Independent regulator that we could establish in the bill?


It's an idea we could consider?

We would save some money on the administration of the UCP if that was handled by the Private Sector, however we must make it clear that any decision on blocking or altering any payments must come from an Independent regulator that is at the command of the Senate.

I can't see many on the left agreeing to the Private Sector handling it completely, but I think it would be acceptable if the Private Sector merely controlled the distribution and monitoring of the cards maybe just the distribution.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:11 am

Europe and the Americas wrote:
Battlion wrote:
None as far as I had planned, but it could be possible for the Private Sector to distribute the cards and/or monitor them but the final blocking decision would have to come down to the government and/or an Independent regulator that we could establish in the bill?


It's an idea we could consider?

We would save some money on the administration of the UCP if that was handled by the Private Sector, however we must make it clear that any decision on blocking or altering any payments must come from an Independent regulator that is at the command of the Senate.

I can't see many on the left agreeing to the Private Sector handling it completely, but I think it would be acceptable if the Private Sector merely controlled the distribution and monitoring of the cards maybe just the distribution.


Definitely something I think we can consider, it would save the administration further money and money we desperately need.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:15 am

Battlion wrote:
Europe and the Americas wrote:
It's an idea we could consider?

We would save some money on the administration of the UCP if that was handled by the Private Sector, however we must make it clear that any decision on blocking or altering any payments must come from an Independent regulator that is at the command of the Senate.

I can't see many on the left agreeing to the Private Sector handling it completely, but I think it would be acceptable if the Private Sector merely controlled the distribution and monitoring of the cards maybe just the distribution.


Definitely something I think we can consider, it would save the administration further money and money we desperately need.


IT would only save money if the private sector were allowed to charge a fee for the card from the applicant. So far as I know it was supposed to be free at to all children from 13. Thus giving it to the private sector will make it more expensive as we only need to use taxes to pay for running costs but if the private sector is given it the government will have to pay them profit as well as costs.
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