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Byzantium Imperial
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:14 pm

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Byzantium Imperial wrote:The original budget had 8 billion pounds.... as minister of Veteran affairs, i admit i dont need anywhere that much money. Maybe 1.2 billion will do fine unless we have a war soon (warplans are all ready by the way, accesible to the president)


1.2 Billion?

We need something in the hundreds of thousands, 3 month veterans they're not even veterans by definition.

I also think it is dangerous for the government to be running a deficit and seem to be willing to do so...

Wait we have a defecit? How bad?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:15 pm

You're forgetting the various Aurentine veterans of the British Armed Forces, and don't even think about saying that this is impossible, because in every single colony it was legal for colonial to join the British Armed Forces (Malta for instance).
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:17 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Battlion wrote:
1.2 Billion?

We need something in the hundreds of thousands, 3 month veterans they're not even veterans by definition.

I also think it is dangerous for the government to be running a deficit and seem to be willing to do so...

Wait we have a defecit? How bad?

£255,093,466,684, which can be cut once the Tax Reform Act passes.
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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:18 pm

Wolfmanne, I've asked this, but you might have missed it. Why in the world does Work need so much money?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:19 pm

Welsh Cowboy wrote:Wolfmanne, I've asked this, but you might have missed it. Why in the world does Work need so much money?

Welfare State. I'm presuming that welfare programs come under it anyway and our only one is the Universal Credit, but with the living wage requirements, I'd expect the costs to be high.
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Postby Yanalia » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:20 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Welsh Cowboy wrote:Wolfmanne, I've asked this, but you might have missed it. Why in the world does Work need so much money?

Welfare State. I'm presuming that welfare programs come under it anyway and our only one is the Universal Credit, but with the living wage requirements, I'd expect the costs to be high.


With just Universal Credit, I would think our expenditures wouldn't need to be that high.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:21 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Wait we have a defecit? How bad?

£255,093,466,684, which can be cut once the Tax Reform Act passes.

You do realize that the US governemnt massive deficit is only twice as much as ours? This is a rediculous amount of debt.... so hwo much money will the tax reform raise you estimate?
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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:21 pm

Yanalia wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Welfare State. I'm presuming that welfare programs come under it anyway and our only one is the Universal Credit, but with the living wage requirements, I'd expect the costs to be high.


With just Universal Credit, I would think our expenditures wouldn't need to be that high.

I'm also surprised by what a percentage of the budget it takes up...
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Postby Battlion » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:21 pm

The government should really propose a balanced budget, if that means cuts across the board then so be it...

However, some of the lower down departments in term of % should really receive more.. bar Veterans Affairs which I still feel needs to be cut further.

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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:23 pm

Battlion wrote:The government should really propose a balanced budget, if that means cuts across the board then so be it...

However, some of the lower down departments in term of % should really receive more.. bar Veterans Affairs which I still feel needs to be cut further.

Our WW2 vets/previous war vets are still alive you know. And I intend to cover all of thsoe who served in the best interests of this country before its official founding (i will draw up some criteria shortly). They deserve care to, since they wont be getting support from foreign governemnts anymore. Our VA programs will also be more ambitious then most
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I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Battlion » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:25 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Battlion wrote:The government should really propose a balanced budget, if that means cuts across the board then so be it...

However, some of the lower down departments in term of % should really receive more.. bar Veterans Affairs which I still feel needs to be cut further.

Our WW2 vets/previous war vets are still alive you know. And I intend to cover all of thsoe who served in the best interests of this country before its official founding (i will draw up some criteria shortly). They deserve care to, since they wont be getting support from foreign governemnts anymore


Our WW2 Veterans, we wasn't in WW2...

Can the Minister for Finance or the Minister for Veterans Affairs bring forward exactly how much of this budget will be going to WW2 veterans who we don't know exist by the way and has been created on the spot?

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Postby Britanno » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:27 pm

I think seen as I have a less packed day tommorow and the amount I issues thrown upon me when I first became president have reduced, I will spend tommorow working on the budget. I personally think we should start with a large budget as a draft and then it will be easier to look at where and how we can reduce costs. I hate large deficits, so I would not class it wise to spend too much.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:28 pm

Battlion wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Our WW2 vets/previous war vets are still alive you know. And I intend to cover all of thsoe who served in the best interests of this country before its official founding (i will draw up some criteria shortly). They deserve care to, since they wont be getting support from foreign governemnts anymore


Our WW2 Veterans, we wasn't in WW2...

Can the Minister for Finance or the Minister for Veterans Affairs bring forward exactly how much of this budget will be going to WW2 veterans who we don't know exist by the way and has been created on the spot?

We were in WW2. We were a british territory. And speaking of our posistion, we probably have a very large number of veterans. Look at malta, they saw furious combat for more then a year, with the island nearly bombed to pieces, and large parts of the population joined the wareffort.
It is foolish to think a nation of 40 million sitting right off the coast of Italy and Occupied France saw absolutly no combat, and even more foolish that in their darkest hour the British didnt once consider drafting Aurentines into their armies.

As minister of Veteran Affairs, I can not say for certain as of this time how many veterans we have. I will have to pull a census of british war veterans firt, and do some math.... you get the idea
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:28 pm

Yanalia wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Welfare State. I'm presuming that welfare programs come under it anyway and our only one is the Universal Credit, but with the living wage requirements, I'd expect the costs to be high.


With just Universal Credit, I would think our expenditures wouldn't need to be that high.

Wouldn't the living wage clause mean that it would be higher?
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Postby Fulflood » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:30 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
With just Universal Credit, I would think our expenditures wouldn't need to be that high.

Wouldn't the living wage clause mean that it would be higher?

Not that much higher. It's pensions that are the killer, at least in the UK (about half of DWP spending), and we don't have those.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:30 pm

Fulflood wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Wouldn't the living wage clause mean that it would be higher?

Not that much higher. It's pensions that are the killer, at least in the UK (about half of DWP spending), and we don't have those.

Hmm. So would halving it be acceptable?
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Postby Battlion » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:32 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Our WW2 Veterans, we wasn't in WW2...

Can the Minister for Finance or the Minister for Veterans Affairs bring forward exactly how much of this budget will be going to WW2 veterans who we don't know exist by the way and has been created on the spot?

We were in WW2. We were a british territory. And speaking of our posistion, we probably have a very large number of veterans. Look at malta, they saw furious combat for more then a year, with the island nearly bombed to pieces, and large parts of the population joined the wareffort.
It is foolish to think a nation of 40 million sitting right off the coast of Italy and Occupied France saw absolutly no combat, and even more foolish that in their darkest hour the British didnt once consider drafting Aurentines into their armies.

As minister of Veteran Affairs, I can not say for certain as of this time how many veterans we have. I will have to pull a census of british war veterans firt, and do some math.... you get the idea


Then wouldn't it be better for any budget to be proposed when we have these figures to justify spending on such a scale?

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Postby Fulflood » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:32 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Fulflood wrote:Not that much higher. It's pensions that are the killer, at least in the UK (about half of DWP spending), and we don't have those.

Hmm. So would halving it be acceptable?

Probably, yeah. I mean, there are a few other UK benefits we don't have in Aurentina, which'd probably make up for the living wage, depending on further looking into the matter.
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Postby Britanno » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:32 pm

Welsh Cowboy wrote:Wolfmanne, I've asked this, but you might have missed it. Why in the world does Work need so much money?


Pensions and unemployment benefits. They cost a hell of a lot.
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Postby Fulflood » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:33 pm

Britanno wrote:
Welsh Cowboy wrote:Wolfmanne, I've asked this, but you might have missed it. Why in the world does Work need so much money?


Pensions and unemployment benefits. They cost a hell of a lot.

We don't have pensions, and JSA (unemployment benefit) is like 6th on the list of UK benefits by expenditure. Housing benefit takes up maybe 15-25% of the DWP spend in the UK.
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Postby Britanno » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:35 pm

Fulflood wrote:We don't have pensions, and JSA (unemployment benefit) is like 6th on the list of UK benefits by expenditure. Housing benefit takes up maybe 15-25% of the DWP spend in the UK.


I'm working on that.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:36 pm

Here's a fun fact: once the Tax Reform Act passes, we'll be making a surplus of £82,694,244,982.
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Postby Battlion » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:37 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:Here's a fun fact: once the Tax Reform Act passes, we'll be making a surplus of £82,694,244,982.


Can we have exact workings out for this, like the numbers, otherwise it's just your calculation

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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:40 pm

Battlion wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Here's a fun fact: once the Tax Reform Act passes, we'll be making a surplus of £82,694,244,982.


Can we have exact workings out for this, like the numbers, otherwise it's just your calculation

I posted it in your headquarters.
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Postby Battlion » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:42 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Can we have exact workings out for this, like the numbers, otherwise it's just your calculation

I posted it in your headquarters.


What you said was "Also, after Fulflood corrected the work budget, I've now calculated that the Tax Reform Act would help us achieve a surplus of £82,694,244,982."

I mean proper calculations that we can do as well and get the same response.

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