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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:13 pm



Finally. I'll sponsor the first one.
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Postby Free South Califas » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:21 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
Smoke Alarm and Fire Extinguisher Requirement Act (SAFER Act)
Drafted B: Cengiz Harun (Gothmogs)
Sponsors: Ainin, Venaleria

Aurentina is mostly in the chaparral biome, which has very frequent wildfires, and very flammable plants. Because of this, Aurentines need to be sure they are protected from the dangers of fire and are safe in the case of one. This bill will help protect the people from such dangers.

Section 1 - Smoke Alarms in Public Buildings
1. All public buildings, or buildings that may be accessed by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/smoke alarms.
2. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check public buildings every few years for operational smoke alarms, the number of years being decided by the constituency.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 2 - Smoke Alarms in Private Buildings/Homes
1. All private buildings/houses, or buildings not freely accessible by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/alarms.
2. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner of the private building or home.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check private buildings for operational smoke alarms with the owners consent, or with the consent of the local or national government.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 3 - Fire Extinguishers
1. All public buildings are required to have a fire extinguisher on every floor that is easily accessible.
2. All schools, hotels, motels, dorms, apartments, and barracks are required to have a fire extinguisher that is easily accessible on every hallway.
3. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
4. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
5. The Fire Department has the right to determine if a fire extinguisher is easily accessible.
6. The Fire Department has the right to request extra fire extinguishers be placed in rooms or hallways.

Section 4 - Government Powers
1. The national government has the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
2. The constituency governments have the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
3. The constituency governments have the power to raise the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings.
4. The constituency governments have the power to raise the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules.
5. The constituency governments have the power to lower the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules, but they may not lower it past the described fine.
6. The constituency governments have the power to lower the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings, but they may not lower them below the numbers described in this bill.

Hereby Passes the SAFER Act

Updated. Anyone else want to sponsor?
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Postby Gothmogs » Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:28 pm

Smoke Alarm and Fire Extinguisher Requirement Act (SAFER Act)
Drafted B: Cengiz Harun (Gothmogs)
Sponsors: Ainin, Venaleria, Free South Califas, Yanalia

Aurentina is mostly in the chaparral biome, which has very frequent wildfires, and very flammable plants. Because of this, Aurentines need to be sure they are protected from the dangers of fire and are safe in the case of one. This bill will help protect the people from such dangers.

Section 1 - Smoke Alarms in Public Buildings
1. All public buildings, or buildings that may be accessed by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/smoke alarms.
2. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check public buildings every few years for operational smoke alarms, the number of years being decided by the constituency.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 2 - Smoke Alarms in Private Buildings/Homes
1. All private buildings/houses, or buildings not freely accessible by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/alarms.
2. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner of the private building or home.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check private buildings for operational smoke alarms with the owners consent, or with the consent of the local or national government.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 3 - Fire Extinguishers
1. All public buildings are required to have a fire extinguisher on every floor that is easily accessible.
2. All schools, hotels, motels, dorms, apartments, and barracks are required to have a fire extinguisher that is easily accessible on every hallway.
3. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
4. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
5. The Fire Department has the right to determine if a fire extinguisher is easily accessible.
6. The Fire Department has the right to request extra fire extinguishers be placed in rooms or hallways.

Section 4 - Government Powers
1. The national government has the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
2. The constituency governments have the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
3. The constituency governments have the power to raise the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings.
4. The constituency governments have the power to raise the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules.
5. The constituency governments have the power to lower the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules, but they may not lower it past the described fine.
6. The constituency governments have the power to lower the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings, but they may not lower them below the numbers described in this bill.

Hereby Passes the SAFER Act

Thank you all sponsors so far.
Last edited by Gothmogs on Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Otrenia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:44 am

Gothmogs wrote:
Smoke Alarm and Fire Extinguisher Requirement Act (SAFER Act)
Drafted B: Cengiz Harun (Gothmogs)
Sponsors: Ainin, Venaleria, Free South Califas, Yanalia

Aurentina is mostly in the chaparral biome, which has very frequent wildfires, and very flammable plants. Because of this, Aurentines need to be sure they are protected from the dangers of fire and are safe in the case of one. This bill will help protect the people from such dangers.

Section 1 - Smoke Alarms in Public Buildings
1. All public buildings, or buildings that may be accessed by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/smoke alarms.
2. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check public buildings every few years for operational smoke alarms, the number of years being decided by the constituency.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 2 - Smoke Alarms in Private Buildings/Homes
1. All private buildings/houses, or buildings not freely accessible by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/alarms.
2. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner of the private building or home.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check private buildings for operational smoke alarms with the owners consent, or with the consent of the local or national government.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 3 - Fire Extinguishers
1. All public buildings are required to have a fire extinguisher on every floor that is easily accessible.
2. All schools, hotels, motels, dorms, apartments, and barracks are required to have a fire extinguisher that is easily accessible on every hallway.
3. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
4. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
5. The Fire Department has the right to determine if a fire extinguisher is easily accessible.
6. The Fire Department has the right to request extra fire extinguishers be placed in rooms or hallways.

Section 4 - Government Powers
1. The national government has the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
2. The constituency governments have the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
3. The constituency governments have the power to raise the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings.
4. The constituency governments have the power to raise the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules.
5. The constituency governments have the power to lower the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules, but they may not lower it past the described fine.
6. The constituency governments have the power to lower the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings, but they may not lower them below the numbers described in this bill.

Hereby Passes the SAFER Act

Thank you all sponsors so far.


I'd like to be a sponsor as well.

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Postby Fulflood » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:44 am

Bleckonia wrote:But a flat tax would be easier.

You know what would be easier than a flat tax? No taxes at all.
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Postby Living Freedom Land » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:57 am

Otrenia wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:
Smoke Alarm and Fire Extinguisher Requirement Act (SAFER Act)
Drafted B: Cengiz Harun (Gothmogs)
Sponsors: Ainin, Venaleria, Free South Califas, Yanalia

Aurentina is mostly in the chaparral biome, which has very frequent wildfires, and very flammable plants. Because of this, Aurentines need to be sure they are protected from the dangers of fire and are safe in the case of one. This bill will help protect the people from such dangers.

Section 1 - Smoke Alarms in Public Buildings
1. All public buildings, or buildings that may be accessed by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/smoke alarms.
2. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check public buildings every few years for operational smoke alarms, the number of years being decided by the constituency.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 2 - Smoke Alarms in Private Buildings/Homes
1. All private buildings/houses, or buildings not freely accessible by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/alarms.
2. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner of the private building or home.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check private buildings for operational smoke alarms with the owners consent, or with the consent of the local or national government.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 3 - Fire Extinguishers
1. All public buildings are required to have a fire extinguisher on every floor that is easily accessible.
2. All schools, hotels, motels, dorms, apartments, and barracks are required to have a fire extinguisher that is easily accessible on every hallway.
3. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
4. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
5. The Fire Department has the right to determine if a fire extinguisher is easily accessible.
6. The Fire Department has the right to request extra fire extinguishers be placed in rooms or hallways.

Section 4 - Government Powers
1. The national government has the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
2. The constituency governments have the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
3. The constituency governments have the power to raise the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings.
4. The constituency governments have the power to raise the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules.
5. The constituency governments have the power to lower the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules, but they may not lower it past the described fine.
6. The constituency governments have the power to lower the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings, but they may not lower them below the numbers described in this bill.

Hereby Passes the SAFER Act

Thank you all sponsors so far.


I'd like to be a sponsor as well.

While I do not support the provisions in this bill mandating private homes have fire alarms, providing that there is a requirement for them to have fire alarms, I think it would be prudent to institute some sort of voucher system so that low income people don't have to spend their hard earned money on fire alarms that the government forces them to have.
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Postby Rumostan » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:59 am

Living Freedom Land wrote:
Otrenia wrote:


I'd like to be a sponsor as well.

While I do not support the provisions in this bill mandating private homes have fire alarms, providing that there is a requirement for them to have fire alarms, I think it would be prudent to institute some sort of voucher system so that low income people don't have to spend their hard earned money on fire alarms that the government forces them to have.


I will sponsor this even though I think the government should give them out for free like they do in the UK.
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Postby Free South Califas » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:37 am

Living Freedom Land wrote:
Otrenia wrote:


I'd like to be a sponsor as well.

While I do not support the provisions in this bill mandating private homes have fire alarms, providing that there is a requirement for them to have fire alarms, I think it would be prudent to institute some sort of voucher system so that low income people don't have to spend their hard earned money on fire alarms that the government forces them to have.

How about a means-tested program to receive free smoke alarms and fire extinguishers? You have to buy them if it won't affect your bills, debt service, grocery list, you know, but if you're in the duldrums fiscally speaking, you get them sent to your address for free instead. That sort of thing.

Or, you know, the government could send them out and then send an invoice. If you can pay it in the next year, do - if not, hey, at least one more person is safer from fire.

What do the author and other co-sponsors think of these solutions?
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Postby Battlion » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:40 am

I agree with Rumostan that the alarms should be free or at the very least very heavily discounted for the public.

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Postby Fulflood » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:43 am

Battlion wrote:I agree with Rumostan that the alarms should be free or at the very least very heavily discounted for the public.

Yup. They're one of those things which cost peanuts to distribute, yet save a load of money in the long term. I'd support this.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:02 am

Fourth Amendment to the Republican Executive Act
Drafted by: Wolfmanne (P-CP)
Co-Sponsored by:

Prelude
This bill wishes the recognise that the right of initiative for the Council of Ministers is one that must be instituted to be a fair and democratic nation. All contemporary democratic nations using either the parliamentary (the United Kingdom and Denmark for example) or semi-presidential systems (France and the Russian Federation in this instance) have guaranteed the executive the right of initiative and by choosing to deny it to the Council of Minister is fundamentally undemocratic. Due to the Senate of Aurentina's unique procedure, especially in regards to omnibusing, this right of initiative for the executive has to be integrated with the current structure. As a result, this bill wishes to introduce the 'Government Policy omnibus'. Also, such an omnibus would increase governmental efficiency, allowing them to implement their policy more effectively, something highly beneficial to the Senate as a whole, as due to the diversity in terms of political parties, multi-partisanship is highly likely and with that minority governments, meaning that the government will have to work with the opposition more often. This bill also introduces some revisions to the power of legislative queuejumping.

Regarding the Government Policy omnibus
1a. This bill introduces a form of omnibusing, the Government Policy omnibus.
1b. A Government Policy omnibus shall be an omnibus that will be voted on at each voting sessions, along side the current omnibus at vote.
1c. In order to add a bill to the Government Policy omnibus, it must be co-sponsored by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, if the Prime Minister has chosen to delegate that power.
1d. A bill introduced by the Prime Minister is automatically added to the Government Policy omnibus and can not be removed. A bill introduced by a Minister is also automatically added to the Government Policy omnibus, but may be withdrawn by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, if the Prime Minister has chosen to delegate that power.

Regarding Legislative Queuejumping
2a. The President's power of legislative queuejumping shall be withdrawn from him and transfers them to the President of the Senate, who is also the Vice President of Aurentina.
2b. The President pro tempore of the Senate to also use this power in the place of the President of the Senate.
2c. This bill allows the Prime Minister to veto a legislative queuejumping motion.
2d. The petition rules (seven signature in favour of a legislative queuejumping motion) shall continue to apply
2e. The President pro tempore, or the President of the Senate, is accountable to the Senate when performing legislative queuejumping and should they do perform it in poor faith, then it is a case to change the President pro tempore. If it's the President of the Senate who performs a motion of legislative queuejumping that has met widespread disapproval, then the Senate may choose to censure him from performing his duty in the Senate, leaving all power to the President pro tempore.

A concern that Maklohi raised was that only one bill could be vote at a time. However this clause was repealed from the Second Constitution of the Senate, so this is perfectly legal.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:52 am

Wolfmanne wrote:
Fourth Amendment to the Republican Executive Act
Drafted by: Wolfmanne (P-CP)
Co-Sponsored by:

Prelude
This bill wishes the recognise that the right of initiative for the Council of Ministers is one that must be instituted to be a fair and democratic nation. All contemporary democratic nations using either the parliamentary (the United Kingdom and Denmark for example) or semi-presidential systems (France and the Russian Federation in this instance) have guaranteed the executive the right of initiative and by choosing to deny it to the Council of Minister is fundamentally undemocratic. Due to the Senate of Aurentina's unique procedure, especially in regards to omnibusing, this right of initiative for the executive has to be integrated with the current structure. As a result, this bill wishes to introduce the 'Government Policy omnibus'. Also, such an omnibus would increase governmental efficiency, allowing them to implement their policy more effectively, something highly beneficial to the Senate as a whole, as due to the diversity in terms of political parties, multi-partisanship is highly likely and with that minority governments, meaning that the government will have to work with the opposition more often. This bill also introduces some revisions to the power of legislative queuejumping.

Regarding the Government Policy omnibus
1a. This bill introduces a form of omnibusing, the Government Policy omnibus.
1b. A Government Policy omnibus shall be an omnibus that will be voted on at each voting sessions, along side the current omnibus at vote.
1c. In order to add a bill to the Government Policy omnibus, it must be co-sponsored by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, if the Prime Minister has chosen to delegate that power.
1d. A bill introduced by the Prime Minister is automatically added to the Government Policy omnibus and can not be removed. A bill introduced by a Minister is also automatically added to the Government Policy omnibus, but may be withdrawn by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, if the Prime Minister has chosen to delegate that power.

Regarding Legislative Queuejumping
2a. The President's power of legislative queuejumping shall be withdrawn from him and transfers them to the President of the Senate, who is also the Vice President of Aurentina.
2b. The President pro tempore of the Senate to also use this power in the place of the President of the Senate.
2c. This bill allows the Prime Minister to veto a legislative queuejumping motion.
2d. The petition rules (seven signature in favour of a legislative queuejumping motion) shall continue to apply
2e. The President pro tempore, or the President of the Senate, is accountable to the Senate when performing legislative queuejumping and should they do perform it in poor faith, then it is a case to change the President pro tempore. If it's the President of the Senate who performs a motion of legislative queuejumping that has met widespread disapproval, then the Senate may choose to censure him from performing his duty in the Senate, leaving all power to the President pro tempore.

A concern that Maklohi raised was that only one bill could be vote at a time. However this clause was repealed from the Second Constitution of the Senate, so this is perfectly legal.

So there are three titles for one person? VP = Pres pro tem = Pres of Senate. Seems like too much, and I think it could be simplified.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:55 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:
Fourth Amendment to the Republican Executive Act
Drafted by: Wolfmanne (P-CP)
Co-Sponsored by:

Prelude
This bill wishes the recognise that the right of initiative for the Council of Ministers is one that must be instituted to be a fair and democratic nation. All contemporary democratic nations using either the parliamentary (the United Kingdom and Denmark for example) or semi-presidential systems (France and the Russian Federation in this instance) have guaranteed the executive the right of initiative and by choosing to deny it to the Council of Minister is fundamentally undemocratic. Due to the Senate of Aurentina's unique procedure, especially in regards to omnibusing, this right of initiative for the executive has to be integrated with the current structure. As a result, this bill wishes to introduce the 'Government Policy omnibus'. Also, such an omnibus would increase governmental efficiency, allowing them to implement their policy more effectively, something highly beneficial to the Senate as a whole, as due to the diversity in terms of political parties, multi-partisanship is highly likely and with that minority governments, meaning that the government will have to work with the opposition more often. This bill also introduces some revisions to the power of legislative queuejumping.

Regarding the Government Policy omnibus
1a. This bill introduces a form of omnibusing, the Government Policy omnibus.
1b. A Government Policy omnibus shall be an omnibus that will be voted on at each voting sessions, along side the current omnibus at vote.
1c. In order to add a bill to the Government Policy omnibus, it must be co-sponsored by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, if the Prime Minister has chosen to delegate that power.
1d. A bill introduced by the Prime Minister is automatically added to the Government Policy omnibus and can not be removed. A bill introduced by a Minister is also automatically added to the Government Policy omnibus, but may be withdrawn by the Prime Minister, or the Deputy Prime Minister, if the Prime Minister has chosen to delegate that power.

Regarding Legislative Queuejumping
2a. The President's power of legislative queuejumping shall be withdrawn from him and transfers them to the President of the Senate, who is also the Vice President of Aurentina.
2b. The President pro tempore of the Senate to also use this power in the place of the President of the Senate.
2c. This bill allows the Prime Minister to veto a legislative queuejumping motion.
2d. The petition rules (seven signature in favour of a legislative queuejumping motion) shall continue to apply
2e. The President pro tempore, or the President of the Senate, is accountable to the Senate when performing legislative queuejumping and should they do perform it in poor faith, then it is a case to change the President pro tempore. If it's the President of the Senate who performs a motion of legislative queuejumping that has met widespread disapproval, then the Senate may choose to censure him from performing his duty in the Senate, leaving all power to the President pro tempore.

A concern that Maklohi raised was that only one bill could be vote at a time. However this clause was repealed from the Second Constitution of the Senate, so this is perfectly legal.

So there are three titles for one person? VP = Pres pro tem = Pres of Senate. Seems like too much, and I think it could be simplified.

Actually it's Vice President of Aurentina = President of the Senate. Legally, the President of the Senate presides over the Senate, but the President pro tempore is the person who does it in his place. In other words, the President pro tempore is the speaker most of time. What? Don't blame me, I only based it on the American system; blame America :P.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:01 am

Fulflood wrote:
Battlion wrote:I agree with Rumostan that the alarms should be free or at the very least very heavily discounted for the public.

Yup. They're one of those things which cost peanuts to distribute, yet save a load of money in the long term. I'd support this.


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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:03 am

Wolfmanne wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:So there are three titles for one person? VP = Pres pro tem = Pres of Senate. Seems like too much, and I think it could be simplified.

Actually it's Vice President of Aurentina = President of the Senate. Legally, the President of the Senate presides over the Senate, but the President pro tempore is the person who does it in his place. In other words, the President pro tempore is the speaker most of time. What? Don't blame me, I only based it on the American system; blame America :P.

Go ahead, I don't have enough respect for my country's system to defend it. Anyways, I still think it's too complicated. Why not just have either the VP have the power and do it or give the Ppt the power and he does it?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:08 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Actually it's Vice President of Aurentina = President of the Senate. Legally, the President of the Senate presides over the Senate, but the President pro tempore is the person who does it in his place. In other words, the President pro tempore is the speaker most of time. What? Don't blame me, I only based it on the American system; blame America :P.

Go ahead, I don't have enough respect for my country's system to defend it. Anyways, I still think it's too complicated. Why not just have either the VP have the power and do it or give the Ppt the power and he does it?

Check and balance I guess. The President of the Senate, seeing as he's also Vice President and he's directly appointed by the President, is the de jure speaker. The President pro tempore is the de facto speaker,w who does the day-to-day work. That's a simple way of explaining it. The President of the Senate is essentially a reserve for when a willing and 'non-biased' President pro tempore is unavailable.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:12 am

Wolfmanne wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Go ahead, I don't have enough respect for my country's system to defend it. Anyways, I still think it's too complicated. Why not just have either the VP have the power and do it or give the Ppt the power and he does it?

Check and balance I guess. The President of the Senate, seeing as he's also Vice President and he's directly appointed by the President, is the de jure speaker. The President pro tempore is the de facto speaker,w who does the day-to-day work. That's a simple way of explaining it. The President of the Senate is essentially a reserve for when a willing and 'non-biased' President pro tempore is unavailable.

I'm still not liking that we have both de facto and de jure when we could only have one. I'll wait for other peoples' opinions though; maybe I will be proven too fidgety.

Also, have a bill:


SIMBEDS Omnibus Procedure Act
Urgency: High | Author: Maklohi Vai [LD]
Sponsors: Free South Califas [C], Aeken [LD], Wolfmanne [P-C], Rumostan [NLP], Venaleria [RG], Beta Test [LD], Yanalia [RG], Kouralia [USLP], Malgrave [USLP]



The Aurentine Senate,

Noting the continually growing backlog of bills to be voted on,

Believing that current omnibus procedures are inadequate to maintain a properly efficient queue of bills,

1. Creates the following new set of seven (7) omnibus categories, to be referred to collectively as SIMBEDS, to be used for all bills in the senate:
    -Safety and Order, to deal with issues pertinent to the Interior, Health, and Justice ministries.
    -International Relations, to deal with issues pertinent to the International Development, Defence, and Foreign Affairs ministries.
    -Miscellaneous, to deal with issues that do not fit under any other category provided.
    -Business and Finance, to deal with issues pertinent to the Work, Commerce, and Treasury ministries.
    -Environment and Energy, to deal with issues pertinent to the Environment and Energy ministries.
    -Domestic Development, to deal with issues pertinent to the Transportation, Agriculture, Education, Research, Telecommunications, and Culture ministries.
    -Senate Procedures, to deal with issues pertinent to the procedures and actions of the senate.
2. Mandates that all bills are to be sorted into one of these seven (7) categories as they enter the chamber and its queue. The proper designation shall be determined by the author of the bill.
3. Calls upon all authors of current bills in queue to select a SIMBEDS category in which to place their bill,
4. Mandates that once a category has been voted on, it automatically moves to the bottom of the category queue.
5. Mandates that if a category reaches the top of the queue without a bill in it, it is automatically moved to the bottom of the category queue.
6. Affirms the procedure for moving a category to the top of the queue is the same as for a bill as stated in the most recent and relevant amended version of the Republican Executive Act, i.e. queuejumping
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:28 am

Smoke Alarm and Fire Extinguisher Requirement Act (SAFER Act)
Drafted B: Cengiz Harun (Gothmogs)
Sponsors: Ainin, Venaleria, Free South Califas, Yanalia, Rumostan, Otrenia

Aurentina is mostly in the chaparral biome, which has very frequent wildfires, and very flammable plants. Because of this, Aurentines need to be sure they are protected from the dangers of fire and are safe in the case of one. This bill will help protect the people from such dangers.

Section 1 - Smoke Alarms in Public Buildings
1. All public buildings, or buildings that may be accessed by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/smoke alarms.
2. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All public buildings must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check public buildings every few years for operational smoke alarms, the number of years being decided by the constituency.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 2 - Smoke Alarms in Private Buildings/Homes
1. All private buildings/houses, or buildings not freely accessible by the public, are required to have a smoke alarm/alarms.
2. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every room.
3. All private buildings/houses must have at least one operating smoke alarm in every hallway.
4. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner of the private building or home.
5. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
6. The Fire Department has the right to check private buildings for operational smoke alarms with the owners consent, or with the consent of the local or national government.
7. The Fire Department has the right to request extra smoke alarms be put in place in rooms or hallways.
8. Bathrooms are not required to have a smoke alarm.

Section 3 - Fire Extinguishers
1. All public buildings are required to have a fire extinguisher on every floor that is easily accessible.
2. All schools, hotels, motels, dorms, apartments, and barracks are required to have a fire extinguisher that is easily accessible on every hallway.
3. Failure to comply with the above will result in a 100£ fine on the owner or company of the building.
4. Repeated failure to comply will result in a doubling of the fine with every offence.
5. The Fire Department has the right to determine if a fire extinguisher is easily accessible.
6. The Fire Department has the right to request extra fire extinguishers be placed in rooms or hallways.

Section 4 - Government Powers
1. The national government has the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
2. The constituency governments have the power to exempt certain rooms or buildings from needing smoke alarms or fire extinguishers.
3. The constituency governments have the power to raise the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings.
4. The constituency governments have the power to raise the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules.
5. The constituency governments have the power to lower the fine for failing to comply with any of the above rules, but they may not lower it past the described fine.
6. The constituency governments have the power to lower the number of fire extinguishers or smoke alarms required in public or private buildings, but they may not lower them below the numbers described in this bill.
7. The constituency governments must give out free smoke alarms and fire extinguishers to any household or building that requests them.

Hereby Passes the SAFER Act

What does everyone think of the above change?
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Postby Battlion » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:29 am

why can't everyone have a free smoke alarm?

The safety of low-income families isn't more or less than anyone else

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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:31 am

Battlion wrote:why can't everyone have a free smoke alarm?

The safety of low-income families isn't more or less than anyone else

It would cost a lot of money for the government to do that. However you are probably right, more people will have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers if they are free. I will change it.

EDIT: I changed it above. Thoughts?
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Postby Rumostan » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:37 am

Gothmogs wrote:
Battlion wrote:why can't everyone have a free smoke alarm?

The safety of low-income families isn't more or less than anyone else

It would cost a lot of money for the government to do that. However you are probably right, more people will have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers if they are free. I will change it.


The money doesn't matter, this is the safety of our population and thank you for changing it.
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Postby Battlion » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:39 am

Gothmogs wrote:
Battlion wrote:why can't everyone have a free smoke alarm?

The safety of low-income families isn't more or less than anyone else

It would cost a lot of money for the government to do that. However you are probably right, more people will have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers if they are free. I will change it.

EDIT: I changed it above. Thoughts?


To any that requests them, what if they don't know about the fact they can get a free one?

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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:40 am

Rumostan wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:It would cost a lot of money for the government to do that. However you are probably right, more people will have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers if they are free. I will change it.


The money doesn't matter, this is the safety of our population and thank you for changing it.

Yes, I forgot I actually support free safety stuff from the government. :palm:
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Postby Britanno » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:40 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
SIMBEDS Omnibus Procedure Act
Urgency: High | Author: Maklohi Vai [LD]
Sponsors: Free South Califas [C], Aeken [LD], Wolfmanne [P-C], Rumostan [NLP], Venaleria [RG], Beta Test [LD], Yanalia [RG], Kouralia [USLP], Malgrave [USLP]



The Aurentine Senate,

Noting the continually growing backlog of bills to be voted on,

Believing that current omnibus procedures are inadequate to maintain a properly efficient queue of bills,

1. Creates the following new set of seven (7) omnibus categories, to be referred to collectively as SIMBEDS, to be used for all bills in the senate:
    -Safety and Order, to deal with issues pertinent to the Interior, Health, and Justice ministries.
    -International Relations, to deal with issues pertinent to the International Development, Defence, and Foreign Affairs ministries.
    -Miscellaneous, to deal with issues that do not fit under any other category provided.
    -Business and Finance, to deal with issues pertinent to the Work, Commerce, and Treasury ministries.
    -Environment and Energy, to deal with issues pertinent to the Environment and Energy ministries.
    -Domestic Development, to deal with issues pertinent to the Transportation, Agriculture, Education, Research, Telecommunications, and Culture ministries.
    -Senate Procedures, to deal with issues pertinent to the procedures and actions of the senate.
2. Mandates that all bills are to be sorted into one of these seven (7) categories as they enter the chamber and its queue. The proper designation shall be determined by the author of the bill.
3. Calls upon all authors of current bills in queue to select a SIMBEDS category in which to place their bill,
4. Mandates that once a category has been voted on, it automatically moves to the bottom of the category queue.
5. Mandates that if a category reaches the top of the queue without a bill in it, it is automatically moved to the bottom of the category queue.
6. Affirms the procedure for moving a category to the top of the queue is the same as for a bill as stated in the most recent and relevant amended version of the Republican Executive Act, i.e. queuejumping


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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:42 am

Battlion wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:It would cost a lot of money for the government to do that. However you are probably right, more people will have smoke alarms and fire extinguishers if they are free. I will change it.

EDIT: I changed it above. Thoughts?


To any that requests them, what if they don't know about the fact they can get a free one?

The Fire Department usually will advertise things like this, and if ATN gets nationalized maybe the government can put it out there that they are free.
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