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Postby Britanno » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:48 am

Geilinor wrote:Minimum of £20k. Are you serious? One, that's too low for a job that requires 4-6 years of university education. How do you plan to prevent the best teachers from going to private schools? Two, there's nothing prohibiting higher pay.


Guess what my job is in real life?

Now I am new to the teaching world, and yet I should get paid £35k a year already? I like the British system, in which you work your way up the ladder and then get higher pay just like any other career.

For example:

http://www.prospects.ac.uk/primary_scho ... salary.htm
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Postby Veroxia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:26 am

Do we have any laws about education or science? Maybe instead of focusing on weapons, we should focus on the unknown world of science...(Not saying that many of you focus on weapons)
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Postby Britanno » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:27 am

Aurentine Education Act

Category: Domestic Development | Urgency: High | Author: Shadow Minister of Education - James Brit (ALM) | Co-Sponsors:

Applauding the Public Education Act for establishing a system in which the right to education is fulfilled and the young of our nation are permitted free education.

However Understanding the need for a more in depth bill that legislates the public education system in a more thorough way.

Acknowledging that after decades of British rule, a major reformation from the education system used in the days of British rule would disturb the lives of millions of children and thousands of teachers.

But Also Taking Recognition that some changes to the British system need to be made to modernise the system and make it more efficient.

Section I - Pre-Primary and Primary Education

1. Pre-Primary education shall be optional education provided in public educational institutions for children aged from three to four years of age.
a) There shall be just one year: Nursery.
b) The subjects of English, Mathematics, Physical Education and the Arts shall be taught in Nursery educational institutions.
c) The Ministry of Education shall be tasked with concluding the specific details of what shall be taught in each subject, and it is strongly recommended that it consults teachers before making any decisions.
d) Educational institutions shall be guaranteed flexibility in what specific details of each subject they teach, and the Ministry of Education shall be mandated to respect that at the time it concludes as to what should be taught in each subject.

2. Primary education shall be mandatory education provided in public educational institutions for children aged from four to eleven years of age.
a) There shall be seven years: Reception, Year One, Year Two, Year Three, Year Four, Year 5 and Year 6.
b) The subjects of English, Mathematics, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Modern Foreign Languages, Information Technology, Geography, History, Physical Education, the Arts and Citizenship shall be mandated to be taught at all public primary educational institutions.
c) The educational institution may choose from French, Spanish, German, Italian or Portuguese for a Modern Foreign Language.
d) The subject of Religious Education shall be offered free of charge in extra curriculum classes should pupils intend to study the subject.
e) A primary public educational institution shall be mandated to provide two hours of compulsory physical education.
f) The Ministry of Education shall be tasked with concluding the specific details of what shall be taught in each subject, and it is strongly recommended that it consults teachers before making any decisions.
g) Educational institutions shall be guaranteed flexibility in what specific details of each subject they teach, and the Ministry of Education shall be mandated to respect that at the time it concludes as to what should be taught in each subject.
h) School years shall begin in September and end in July and shall consist of a minimum of one hundred and ninety five days and a maximum of two hundred days.

Section II - Secondary Education

1. Lower Secondary Education shall be mandatory education provided in public educational institutions for children aged from eleven to thirteen years of age.
a) There shall be three years: Year Seven, Year Eight and Year Nine.
b) The subjects of English, Mathematics, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Modern Foreign Languages, Information Technology, Geography, History, the Arts, Physical Education, Citizenship, Music, Food Technology, Textiles, Graphic Design and Electronics shall be mandated to be taught at all public secondary educational institutions from years seven to nine.
c) The educational institution may choose from French, Spanish, German, Italian, Mandarin or Portuguese for a Modern Foreign Language.
d) The subject of Religious Education shall be offered free of charge in extra curriculum classes should pupils intend to study the subject.
e) A secondary public educational institution shall be mandated to provide two hours of compulsory physical education.
f) The Ministry of Education shall be tasked with concluding the specific details of what shall be taught in each subject, and it is strongly recommended that it consults teachers before making any decisions.
g) Educational institutions shall be guaranteed flexibility in what specific details of each subject they teach, and the Ministry of Education shall be mandated to respect that at the time it concludes as to what should be taught in each subject.
h) School years shall begin in September and end in July and shall consist of a minimum of one hundred and ninety five days and a maximum of two hundred days.

2. Higher Secondary Education shall be mandatory education provided in public educational institutions for children aged from fourteen to sixteen years of age.
a) There shall be two years: Year Ten and Year Eleven.
b) Pupils shall be mandated to choose a minimum of seven of subjects (individual educational institutions may mandate that pupils choose more) to study from English Language, English Literature, Mathematics, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Modern Foreign Languages, Latin, Aurentine, Information Technology, Geography, History, Religious Education, the Arts, Physical Education, Music, Food Technology, Textiles, Graphic Design, Electronics, Business Studies, Economics, Politics.
c) A pupil shall be mandated to choose English Language, English Literature, Mathematics and one Science (chosen from Biology, Physics, Chemistry).
d) The pupil may choose from French, Spanish, German, Italian, Mandarin or Portuguese for a Modern Foreign Language.
e) All pupils shall be mandated to be taught Citizenship.
d) A higher secondary public educational institution shall be mandated to provide two hours of compulsory physical education, regardless of whether the pupil chose the subject or not.
e) The Ministry of Education shall be tasked with concluding the specific details of what shall be taught in each subject, and it is strongly recommended that it consults teachers before making any decisions.
f) Educational institutions shall be guaranteed flexibility in what specific details of each subject they teach, and the Ministry of Education shall be mandated to respect that at the time it concludes as to what should be taught in each subject.
g) School years shall begin in September and end in July and shall consist of a minimum of one hundred and ninety five days and a maximum of two hundred days.

Section III - Higher Education

1. Advanced Education shall be mandatory education provided in public educational institutions for children aged from sixteen to eighteen years of age.
a) There shall be two years: Year Twelve and Year Thirteen.
b) Pupils shall be mandated to choose four subjects to study from English Language, English Literature, Mathematics, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Modern Foreign Languages, Latin, Aurentine, Information Technology, Geography, History, Religious Education, the Arts, Physical Education, Music, Food Technology, Textiles, Graphic Design, Electronics, Business Studies, Economics and Politics. Pupils shall have the opportunity to drop one subject as they progress into Year Thirteen.
c) The pupil may choose from French, Spanish, German, Italian, Mandarin or Portuguese for a Modern Foreign Language.
d) All pupils shall be taught Citizenship.
e) The Ministry of Education shall be tasked with concluding the specific details of what shall be taught in each subject, and it is strongly recommended that it consults teachers before making any decisions.
f) Educational institutions shall be guaranteed flexibility in what specific details of each subject they teach, and the Ministry of Education shall be mandated to respect that at the time it concludes as to what should be taught in each subject.
g) School years shall begin in September and end in July and shall consist of a minimum of one hundred and ninety five days and a maximum of two hundred days.

2. University Education shall be non-mandatory education provided in private educational institutions for those at and over the age of eighteen years.
a) Universities shall be responsible for offering various courses.
b) Universities shall have authority over the curriculum offered within their educational institution.
c) Universities shall be responsible for setting their own academic years.
Section IV - Examinations

1. There shall be no examinations in Pre-Primary Education.
2. There shall be examinations at the end of Year Two.
a) When a pupil reaches the end of Year Two, two examinations in the subjects of English and Mathematics shall take place.
b) Individual public primary educational institutions shall be responsible for setting dates for the examinations, but they shall be mandated to be in the month of July.
c) The individual examinations shall be marked and graded separately.
d) The grades shall range from A*, B, C, D, E and F, with A* being the highest grade possible to achieve, and F being the lowest.
e) The teachers of the pupils taking the examinations shall be responsible for marking and grading the examinations.
f) The teachers marking the examinations shall be mandated to do so in accordance with a mark scheme provided by the Ministry of Education.
g) Once the examinations have taken place and the results distributed each pupil will be awarded with an [Insert Relevant Grade] Lower Primary Educational Achievement Certificate.

3. Examinations shall take place during Year Six.
a) The modular examination system shall be used throughout Year Six, with the months of December, March and July being examination months in the subjects of English, Mathematics, Biology, Physics and Chemistry.
b) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for setting the exact dates for the examinations.
c) The individual examinations shall be marked and graded separately.
d) The grades shall range from A*, B, C, D, E and F, with A* being the highest grade possible to achieve, and F being the lowest.
e) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for marking and grading the examinations.
f) The individual markers of the examinations shall be mandated to do so in accordance with a mark scheme provided by the Ministry of Education.
g) Once the examinations have taken place and the results distributed each pupil will be awarded with an [Insert Relevant Grade] Higher Primary Educational Achievement Certificate.

4. Examinations shall take place during Year Nine.
a) The modular examination system shall be used throughout Year Nine, with the months of December, March and July being examination months in the subjects of English, Mathematics, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Modern Foreign Languages, Information Technology, Geography, History, the Arts, Physical Education, Music, Food Technology, Textiles, Graphic Design and Electronics.
b) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for setting the exact dates for the examinations.
c) The individual examinations shall be marked and graded separately.
d) The grades shall range from A*, B, C, D, E and F, with A* being the highest grade possible to achieve, and F being the lowest.
e) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for marking and grading the examinations.
f) The individual markers of the examinations shall be mandated to do so in accordance with a mark scheme provided by the Ministry of Education.
g) Once the examinations have taken place and the results distributed each pupil will be awarded with an [Insert Relevant Grade] Lower Secondary Educational Achievement Certificate.

4. Examinations shall take place during Years Ten and Eleven.
a) The modular examination system shall be used throughout Years Ten and Eleven, with the months of December, March and July being examination months in the subjects that the pupil has chosen to study during Higher Secondary Education.
b) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for setting the exact dates for the examinations.
c) The individual examinations shall be marked and graded separately.
d) The grades shall range from A*, B, C, D, E and F, with A* being the highest grade possible to achieve, and F being the lowest.
e) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for marking and grading the examinations.
f) The individual markers of the examinations shall be mandated to do so in accordance with a mark scheme provided by the Ministry of Education.
g) Once the examinations have taken place and the results distributed each pupil will be awarded with an [Insert Relevant Grade] Higher Secondary Educational Achievement Certificate.

5. Examinations shall take place during Years Twelve and Thirteen.
a) The modular examination system shall be used throughout Years Twelve and Thirteen, with the months of December, March and July being examination months in the subjects that the pupil has chosen to study during Advanced Education.
b) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for setting the exact dates for the examinations.
c) The individual examinations shall be marked and graded separately.
d) The grades shall range from A*, B, C, D, E and F, with A* being the highest grade possible to achieve, and F being the lowest.
e) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for markin and grading the examinations.
f) The individual markers of the examinations shall be mandated to do so in accordance with a mark scheme provided by the Ministry of Education.
g) Once the examinations have taken place and the results distributed each pupil will be awarded with an [Insert Relevant Grade] Advanced Educational Achievement Certificate.

6. Examinations shall take place during University.
a) Universities shall be responsible for setting their own examination system in each course, provided each university offering said course around the country uses the same examination system for the individual course.
b) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for marking and grading the examinations.
c) The individual markers of the examinations shall be mandated to do so in accordance with a mark scheme provided by the Ministry of Education.
d) There shall be a simple pass or fail system used rather than grading.
e) Should an individual pupil pass the relevant course, the pupil shall be awarded with a [Insert Relevant Course] Degree.

Section V - Educating Standards

1. An individual must meet the following requirements in order to become an educator at a public school.
a) Achieved a Grade C, B, A or A* Higher Secondary Educational Achievement Certificate in English or the equivalent at the time in which the individual sat the examinations.
b) Achieved a Grade C, B, A or A* Higher Secondary Educational Achievement Certificate in Mathematics or the equivalent at the time in which the individual sat the examinations.
c) Should the individual seek to teach those at secondary education, the individual must have achieved a minimum of a Grade C, B, A or A* Higher Secondary Educational Achievement Certificate in Biology, Physics or Chemistry or the equivalent at the time in which the individual sat the examinations.
d) Passed an Educator Training Course.
e) Should the individual seek to teach those at secondary education, the individual must have achieved a C, B, A or A* Advanced Educational Achievement Certificate.

2. An individual must pass an Educator Training Course in order to be permitted the right to teach at a public school.
a) There shall be three categories for an Educator Training Course: Primary, Secondary and Specialist.
b) Primary Educator Training Courses shall be for individuals who seek to teach at primary level while Secondary Educator Training Courses shall be for individuals who seek to teach at a secondary level and Specialist Educator Training Courses shall be for individuals who seek to teach children with special education needs.
c) The Educator Training Courses shall be placed under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education.
d) The Ministry of Education shall be tasked with training and assessing individuals who seek to become teachers at public schools on all skills needed to become an educator, and shall come to a conclusion whether an individual is fit to become an educator or not through the courses.
e) The courses shall be funded from the Ministry of Education's portion of the government budget.

3. All public schools shall be mandated to have Educator Training Days throughout the year.
a) Should an Educator Training Day occur at a school, the children that study at that school shall not attend school that day.
b) The Ministry of Education shall be responsible for organising childcare for children who's guardians are not able to arrange childcare. Children who are able to receive childcare from family or friends will not be offered childcare. The childcare shall not be free unless the child belongs to a family that has an annual income of twenty thousand pound sterling or less (£20,000 or less) in which case the childcare shall be free of charge. Children who attend secondary education shall not be eligible to receive childcare.
c) A minimum of five and a maximum of six training days shall be held at every school per school year.
d) Educators shall receive training on these days that will aim to increase their ability and understanding of teaching methods.


Most of it just repeats itself so don't be fooled into thinking that because it's a long bill it is good.

Suggestions and comments welcome!
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Postby Veroxia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:08 am

We need to create a space program...
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Postby Next Washington » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:11 am

we need YOUR vote: NB president vote
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Postby The IASM » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:11 am

Veroxia wrote:We need to create a space program...

Look here.
viewtopic.php?p=17214939#p17214939
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:12 am

Yes, please vote for Rupert Barnaby. Platform below.

-Target 2.0
-Inflation measure to be used will be RPI this is because it is the more compleate measure and more acurately reflects a households monthy expences. CPI does not include local taxes, mortgage interest payments, house depreciation, buildings insurance, ground rent, solar PV feed in tariffs and other house purchase cost such as estate agents' and conveyancing fees. Hence it is not a accurate measure of inflation as the above are for most people the largest strain on their finances.
-Change the Aurentine credit unit to the Aurentine Pound, and make it the official currency on its own. For a minimum of the first three months it will be pegged to the GBP to ensure stability and when our economy is stable I should be unpegged.
-Financial sector to be regulated directly by the Bank. No senate interference as in the UK with Labours disastrous attempts to make it more a government area of control with the FSA.
-Bank control all monetary policy.
-No more Bank bailouts. Those who are deemed to have been possibly reckless should face criminal charges.
-Tier 1 capital reserve requirements of 10%, Tier 2 requirements also 10%.
-Bank will use Interest rate control as it's main monetary policy tool.
-Commit to no Quantitative easing and will not ever commit to the printing of new money. Instead in dire circumstances the Bank will use Qualitative easing to help the economy.
-Bank will sell government guilts on the first Wednesday of every month in the event of a budget deficit.
-In the event of a surplus the bank will buy Gold Bullion due to it's increased value in a recession thus easing the shock to government fiances in future recessions by being able to sell this bullion at a price far greater than the bank's buy in price.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:13 am

Dragomere wrote:
Geilinor wrote:UN, Outer Space Treaty. We ratified essentially all international law there is in the ILA.

I checked that law and its amendments and none of it makes that illegal.

Then you're not a great reader.

"States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner."
-Article IV, OST
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Postby Next Washington » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:15 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:Yes, please vote for Rupert Barnaby. Platform below.

-Target 2.0
-Inflation measure to be used will be RPI this is because it is the more compleate measure and more acurately reflects a households monthy expences. CPI does not include local taxes, mortgage interest payments, house depreciation, buildings insurance, ground rent, solar PV feed in tariffs and other house purchase cost such as estate agents' and conveyancing fees. Hence it is not a accurate measure of inflation as the above are for most people the largest strain on their finances.
-Change the Aurentine credit unit to the Aurentine Pound, and make it the official currency on its own. For a minimum of the first three months it will be pegged to the GBP to ensure stability and when our economy is stable I should be unpegged.
-Financial sector to be regulated directly by the Bank. No senate interference as in the UK with Labours disastrous attempts to make it more a government area of control with the FSA.
-Bank control all monetary policy.
-No more Bank bailouts. Those who are deemed to have been possibly reckless should face criminal charges.
-Tier 1 capital reserve requirements of 10%, Tier 2 requirements also 10%.
-Bank will use Interest rate control as it's main monetary policy tool.
-Commit to no Quantitative easing and will not ever commit to the printing of new money. Instead in dire circumstances the Bank will use Qualitative easing to help the economy.
-Bank will sell government guilts on the first Wednesday of every month in the event of a budget deficit.
-In the event of a surplus the bank will buy Gold Bullion due to it's increased value in a recession thus easing the shock to government fiances in future recessions by being able to sell this bullion at a price far greater than the bank's buy in price.


good program

maybe glasgia and belmaria wanna re-post theirs too?
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Postby The IASM » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:16 am

Ainin wrote:
Dragomere wrote:I checked that law and its amendments and none of it makes that illegal.

Then you're not a great reader.

"States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner."
-Article IV, OST

I know a way around this, as the Orion nuclear pulse units are a form of propulsion and technically not a WMD due to tiny amount of damage they can actually cause.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:16 am

Next Washington wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:Yes, please vote for Rupert Barnaby. Platform below.

-Target 2.0
-Inflation measure to be used will be RPI this is because it is the more compleate measure and more acurately reflects a households monthy expences. CPI does not include local taxes, mortgage interest payments, house depreciation, buildings insurance, ground rent, solar PV feed in tariffs and other house purchase cost such as estate agents' and conveyancing fees. Hence it is not a accurate measure of inflation as the above are for most people the largest strain on their finances.
-Change the Aurentine credit unit to the Aurentine Pound, and make it the official currency on its own. For a minimum of the first three months it will be pegged to the GBP to ensure stability and when our economy is stable I should be unpegged.
-Financial sector to be regulated directly by the Bank. No senate interference as in the UK with Labours disastrous attempts to make it more a government area of control with the FSA.
-Bank control all monetary policy.
-No more Bank bailouts. Those who are deemed to have been possibly reckless should face criminal charges.
-Tier 1 capital reserve requirements of 10%, Tier 2 requirements also 10%.
-Bank will use Interest rate control as it's main monetary policy tool.
-Commit to no Quantitative easing and will not ever commit to the printing of new money. Instead in dire circumstances the Bank will use Qualitative easing to help the economy.
-Bank will sell government guilts on the first Wednesday of every month in the event of a budget deficit.
-In the event of a surplus the bank will buy Gold Bullion due to it's increased value in a recession thus easing the shock to government fiances in future recessions by being able to sell this bullion at a price far greater than the bank's buy in price.


good program

maybe glasgia and belmaria wanna re-post theirs too?


I don't think Glas has an official program other than being a Keynesian. Bels is on the first page of the vote thread.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:17 am

The IASM wrote:
Ainin wrote:Then you're not a great reader.

"States Parties to the Treaty undertake not to place in orbit around the earth any objects carrying nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction, install such weapons on celestial bodies, or station such weapons in outer space in any other manner."
-Article IV, OST

I know a way around this, as the Orion nuclear pulse units are a form of propulsion and technically not a WMD due to tiny amount of damage they can actually cause.

Fair enough. But an orbital space weapon of doom is a WMD.
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Postby The IASM » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:17 am

Ainin wrote:
The IASM wrote:I know a way around this, as the Orion nuclear pulse units are a form of propulsion and technically not a WMD due to tiny amount of damage they can actually cause.

Fair enough. But an orbital space weapon of doom is a WMD.

Wait, does it talk about using astroids as city busters?
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20:22 Kirav Normal in Akai is nightmare fuel in the rest of the world.
11:33 Jedoria Something convoluted is going on in Akai probably.
Transoxthraxia: I'm no hentai connoisseur, but I'm pretty sure Akai's domestic politics would be like, at least top ten most fucked up hentais"
18:26 Deusaeuri Let me put it this way, you're what would happen if Lovecraft decided to write political dystopian techno thriller
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Postby Veroxia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:18 am

The IASM wrote:
Geilinor wrote:
Peaceful Space Act

Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, attempts are being made to establish space based weapons programs;

Whereas, the Outer Space Treaty of the United Nations has declared that "states shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner" and "the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind";

Whereas, a militarization of space could threaten scientific opportunities for space exploration;

Whereas, the relatively small defence budget and military influence of Aurentina does not warrant the installation of weapons in space;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare that the Aurentine Commonwealth shall only use outer space for peaceful and non-military purposes.

Defines "outer space" as "the void that exists between celestial bodies".

Declares that the government of Aurentina shall never install any type or form of weapons in outer space, with the sole exception of weapons designed to intercept warheads coming in at a very high altitude.

Affirms that Aurentina believes in a peaceful outer space that is reserved for scientific research and cooperation between the world's nations.

Mandates that scientific research into outer space shall be funded $3 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Creates, the Aurentina Space Research Agency (ASRA), a department within the [insert ministry here]

An anti-Project Icarus bill, essentially. Project Icarus cost more than the NASA budget does. The last clause said [insert ministry here] because I wasn't sure which ministry would manage it.

NO! GOD NO! NO NO NO! NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!


Seems acceptable..

I say YES to this.
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The IASM
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Postby The IASM » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:19 am

Veroxia wrote:
The IASM wrote: NO! GOD NO! NO NO NO! NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!


Seems acceptable..

That isn't it...
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Postby Britanno » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:20 am

Geilinor wrote:
Peaceful Space Act

Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, attempts are being made to establish space based weapons programs;

Whereas, the Outer Space Treaty of the United Nations has declared that "states shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner" and "the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind";

Whereas, a militarization of space could threaten scientific opportunities for space exploration;

Whereas, the relatively small defence budget and military influence of Aurentina does not warrant the installation of weapons in space;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare that the Aurentine Commonwealth shall only use outer space for peaceful and non-military purposes.

Defines "outer space" as "the void that exists between celestial bodies".

Declares that the government of Aurentina shall never install any type or form of weapons in outer space, with the sole exception of weapons designed to intercept warheads coming in at a very high altitude.

Affirms that Aurentina believes in a peaceful outer space that is reserved for scientific research and cooperation between the world's nations.

Mandates that scientific research into outer space shall be funded $3 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Creates, the Aurentina Space Research Agency (ASRA), a department within the [insert ministry here]

An anti-Project Icarus bill, essentially. Project Icarus cost more than the NASA budget does. The last clause said [insert ministry here] because I wasn't sure which ministry would manage it.


No, leave the budget out. What if we need that money later on?
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Postby Veroxia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:20 am

Oh that part, I ignored that since I basically quoted your bill.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:22 am

Britanno wrote:
Geilinor wrote:
Peaceful Space Act

Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, attempts are being made to establish space based weapons programs;

Whereas, the Outer Space Treaty of the United Nations has declared that "states shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner" and "the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind";

Whereas, a militarization of space could threaten scientific opportunities for space exploration;

Whereas, the relatively small defence budget and military influence of Aurentina does not warrant the installation of weapons in space;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare that the Aurentine Commonwealth shall only use outer space for peaceful and non-military purposes.

Defines "outer space" as "the void that exists between celestial bodies".

Declares that the government of Aurentina shall never install any type or form of weapons in outer space, with the sole exception of weapons designed to intercept warheads coming in at a very high altitude.

Affirms that Aurentina believes in a peaceful outer space that is reserved for scientific research and cooperation between the world's nations.

Mandates that scientific research into outer space shall be funded $3 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Creates, the Aurentina Space Research Agency (ASRA), a department within the [insert ministry here]

An anti-Project Icarus bill, essentially. Project Icarus cost more than the NASA budget does. The last clause said [insert ministry here] because I wasn't sure which ministry would manage it.


No, leave the budget out. What if we need that money later on?


Yeah, we can't lock ourselves into wasting £3bn a year for something like this.
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Postby The IASM » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:24 am

Veroxia wrote:Oh that part, I ignored that since I basically quoted your bill.

That isn't my bill :palm:
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11:33 Jedoria Something convoluted is going on in Akai probably.
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18:26 Deusaeuri Let me put it this way, you're what would happen if Lovecraft decided to write political dystopian techno thriller
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Postby Veroxia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:35 am

:eyebrow:

Ahh. I didn't meant that part with the "nein". I meant the part with the space program bill.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:33 am

Judicial Omnibus Act
An act to amend the Judicial Act, Correctional Services Act, State of Emergency Act, and Limiting Legislation Act.
Author: Ainin [NDP] | SIMBEDS: Order | Urgency: Low
Sponsors: Dragomere [USLP], New Zepuha [NDP]

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that a judicial system lacking the power to interpret legislation is slow and inefficient,

Proclaiming that suspects of minor crimes at low risk of fleeing should have the right to be granted bail prior to their trial,

Realising that the State of Emergency Act does not include any provisions to increase the powers of law enforcement during a national emergency,

Hereby enacts the following sections as the Judicial Omnibus Act of 2013, as tabled by Prime Minister Alexander Ainin [NDP, Const. 299]:

The Anti-Loopholes Act is struck out and rendered null and void.
Person is defined as an entity prosecutable by law.
Actual person is defined as a member of the homo sapiens family.
Frivolous case is defined as a lawsuit that is purposely meant to be insufficiently supported.

Second Amendment to the Judicial Act
The following section shall be added to the Judicial Act:
Statutory Interpretation
14a. In case the terms of a passed law are unclear or otherwise prone to confusing, the Ministry of Justice, or an individual actual person, may request a hearing for judicial interpretation from the Supreme Court of Aurentina. If the court judges the case not to be frivolous, it shall convene, and interpret the meaning of specific parts of a bill, taking into account, by order of importance (from most to least):
  1. Noscitur a sociis: the context within the rest of the bill
  2. Author Intent: The intended meaning, to be declared by the author of the law in question under oath to a court of law
  3. Plain meaning: The generally-accepted meaning of a word
Second Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
The following shall be added to the Limiting Legislation Act:
(8a) The right to appear before a judge within 48 hours of an arrest,
[...]
AFFIRMS no right is absolute, and may be limited within reason to maintain personal safety or the ordre publique.
First Amendment to the Correctional Services Act
The following clauses shall be added to the Correctional Services Act:
Any actual person suspected of a misdemeanour, delict or felony charged, but not convicted, may request to exit incarceration for a judge-given amount of time, by depositing an amount of money up to £50,000, at the discretion of a judge. At the end of the trial, the person shall be returned the money. The courts shall not grant bail to persons that
  1. Have resources capable of escaping Aurentine jurisdiction
  2. May be harmed by the public for particularly horrendous crimes of a violent or sexual nature
  3. Are at a high risk of reoffending while free
Failure to return at the end of the bail period is failure to comply, a delict.
Attempting, whether successfully or not, to exit the country while on bail without permission from a judge acting in an official capability is aggravated failure to comply, a felony.
First Amendment to the State of Emergency Act
The following clause shall be added to the State of Emergency Act:
In the region where a state of emergency is in effect, persons shall not be under the legal protection of Clause 8a of the Limiting Legislation Act.
Last edited by Ainin on Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:37 am

Ainin wrote:
Judicial Omnibus Act
An act to amend the Judicial Act, Correctional Services Act, State of Emergency Act, and Limiting Legislation Act.

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that a judicial system lacking the power to interpret legislation is slow and inefficient,

Proclaiming that suspects of minor crimes at low risk of fleeing should have the right to be granted bail prior to their trial,

Realising that the State of Emergency Act does not include any provisions to increase the powers of law enforcement during a national emergency,

Hereby enacts the following sections as the Judicial Omnibus Act of 2013, as tabled by Prime Minister Alexander Ainin [NDP, Const. 299]:

The Anti-Loopholes Act is struck out and rendered null and void.
Person is defined as an entity prosecutable by law.
Actual person is defined as a member of the homo sapiens family.
Frivolous case is defined as a lawsuit that is purposely meant to be insufficiently supported.

Second Amendment to the Judicial Act
The following section shall be added to the Judicial Act:
Statutory Interpretation
14a. In case the terms of a passed law are unclear or otherwise prone to confusing, the Ministry of Justice, or an individual actual person, may request a hearing for judicial interpretation from the Supreme Court of Aurentina. If the court judges the case not to be frivolous, it shall convene, and interpret the meaning of specific parts of a bill, taking into account, by order of importance (from most to least):
  1. Noscitur a sociis: the context within the rest of the bill
  2. Author Intent: The intended meaning, to be declared by the author of the law in question under oath to a court of law
  3. Plain meaning: The generally-accepted meaning of a word
Second Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
The following shall be added to the Limiting Legislation Act:
(8a) The right to appear before a judge within 48 hours of an arrest,
[...]
AFFIRMS no right is absolute, and may be limited within reason to maintain personal safety or the ordre publique.
First Amendment to the Correctional Services Act
The following clauses shall be added to the Correctional Services Act:
Any actual person suspected of a misdemeanour, delict or felony charged, but not convicted, may request to exit incarceration for a judge-given amount of time, by depositing an amount of money up to £50,000, at the discretion of a judge. At the end of the trial, the person shall be returned the money. The courts shall not grant bail to persons that
  1. Have resources capable of escaping Aurentine jurisdiction
  2. May be harmed by the public for particularly horrendous crimes of a violent or sexual nature
  3. Are at a high risk of reoffending while free
Failure to return at the end of the bail period is failure to comply, a delict.
Attempting, whether successfully or not, to exit the country while on bail without permission from a judge acting in an official capability is aggravated failure to comply, a felony.
First Amendment to the State of Emergency Act
The following clause shall be added to the State of Emergency Act:
In the region where a state of emergency is in effect, persons shall not be under the legal protection of either Clause 8a or 12 of the Limiting Legislation Act.


What were the two conflicting clauses you mentioned earlier?
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Postby Ainin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:43 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Ainin wrote:
Judicial Omnibus Act
An act to amend the Judicial Act, Correctional Services Act, State of Emergency Act, and Limiting Legislation Act.

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that a judicial system lacking the power to interpret legislation is slow and inefficient,

Proclaiming that suspects of minor crimes at low risk of fleeing should have the right to be granted bail prior to their trial,

Realising that the State of Emergency Act does not include any provisions to increase the powers of law enforcement during a national emergency,

Hereby enacts the following sections as the Judicial Omnibus Act of 2013, as tabled by Prime Minister Alexander Ainin [NDP, Const. 299]:

The Anti-Loopholes Act is struck out and rendered null and void.
Person is defined as an entity prosecutable by law.
Actual person is defined as a member of the homo sapiens family.
Frivolous case is defined as a lawsuit that is purposely meant to be insufficiently supported.

Second Amendment to the Judicial Act
The following section shall be added to the Judicial Act:
Statutory Interpretation
14a. In case the terms of a passed law are unclear or otherwise prone to confusing, the Ministry of Justice, or an individual actual person, may request a hearing for judicial interpretation from the Supreme Court of Aurentina. If the court judges the case not to be frivolous, it shall convene, and interpret the meaning of specific parts of a bill, taking into account, by order of importance (from most to least):
  1. Noscitur a sociis: the context within the rest of the bill
  2. Author Intent: The intended meaning, to be declared by the author of the law in question under oath to a court of law
  3. Plain meaning: The generally-accepted meaning of a word
Second Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
The following shall be added to the Limiting Legislation Act:
(8a) The right to appear before a judge within 48 hours of an arrest,
[...]
AFFIRMS no right is absolute, and may be limited within reason to maintain personal safety or the ordre publique.
First Amendment to the Correctional Services Act
The following clauses shall be added to the Correctional Services Act:
Any actual person suspected of a misdemeanour, delict or felony charged, but not convicted, may request to exit incarceration for a judge-given amount of time, by depositing an amount of money up to £50,000, at the discretion of a judge. At the end of the trial, the person shall be returned the money. The courts shall not grant bail to persons that
  1. Have resources capable of escaping Aurentine jurisdiction
  2. May be harmed by the public for particularly horrendous crimes of a violent or sexual nature
  3. Are at a high risk of reoffending while free
Failure to return at the end of the bail period is failure to comply, a delict.
Attempting, whether successfully or not, to exit the country while on bail without permission from a judge acting in an official capability is aggravated failure to comply, a felony.
First Amendment to the State of Emergency Act
The following clause shall be added to the State of Emergency Act:
In the region where a state of emergency is in effect, persons shall not be under the legal protection of either Clause 8a or 12 of the Limiting Legislation Act.


What were the two conflicting clauses you mentioned earlier?

Nvm, I misread a word.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:50 am

Ainin wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
What were the two conflicting clauses you mentioned earlier?

Nvm, I misread a word.


I would split them up as somebody may agree with the amendments to 3 of the bills but vote against because of the 4th. For example I like the changes to the JA, CSA and the LLA but would vote against because of the SEA. There is more chance of them passing individually than together.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:53 am

Would you vote for it if it only suspended habeas corpus?
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