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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:36 pm

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Dragomere wrote:Why build multiple ones when one would work just fine. Also, chances are that half way through the project, a more beneficial discovery would occur.


like what?

why should one work? a geo-stationary satellite can't cover the whole world

my suggestion: buy some ships, amphibious ships/cars and give the rest of the money to the researc departmet to fund nuclear fusion

The first one could be a prototype, or a trial run, before we decide to build more of them.
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Postby Next Washington » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:40 pm

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Next Washington wrote:
like what?

why should one work? a geo-stationary satellite can't cover the whole world

my suggestion: buy some ships, amphibious ships/cars and give the rest of the money to the researc departmet to fund nuclear fusion

The first one could be a prototype, or a trial run, before we decide to build more of them.


a waste of money, :!:
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:46 pm

Britanno wrote:
Geilinor wrote:
Teacher Minimum Pay Act
Urgency: Mild | Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Education
Co-sponsors:

Preamble
An Act of the Senate of Aurentina to regulate the wages of teachers under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education and ensure that educators are properly renumerated for their services to the children of Aurentina.

Section I – Definitions
1. "Teacher" shall be defined as a person formally accredited and qualified to provide education to pupils.
2. "Full-time" shall be defined as spending a minimum of 40 hours per week performing work-related duties.
3. "Primary school" shall be defined as "an institution where students receive their first stage of academic learning".
4. "Secondary school" shall be defined as "an institution where the second stage of education takes place, after primary education and prior to tertiary education".

Section II – Provisions
1. All full-time teachers in primary and secondary schools under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education shall receive a minimum pay of £35,000 per year, adjusted annually for inflation.


Oh come on, that is not how things should work. The minimum should be £20k for teachers who are first starting out, and those who become more experienced and pupils achieve better grades should receive higher pay,

That first I can agree to, but the second half, no. The second half has proven disastrous in the US, where a focus on education shifted to preparation for testing. Sponsored.
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:47 pm

Next Washington wrote:
Dragomere wrote:The first one could be a prototype, or a trial run, before we decide to build more of them.


a waste of money, :!:

Chances are that a better use of the funds would be discovered from research for the project, thus later, that money may go to the new discovery.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:49 pm

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Geilinor wrote:1. Section II. Clause 1. specifies that it only applies to teachers working for the Ministry of Education.
2. I'll make it "primary and secondary school".


ok... and what about a progressive salary?

There's nothing preventing the Ministry of Education from paying more than the minimum.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:55 pm

Britanno wrote:
Geilinor wrote:
Teacher Minimum Pay Act
Urgency: Mild | Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Education
Co-sponsors:

Preamble
An Act of the Senate of Aurentina to regulate the wages of teachers under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education and ensure that educators are properly renumerated for their services to the children of Aurentina.

Section I – Definitions
1. "Teacher" shall be defined as a person formally accredited and qualified to provide education to pupils.
2. "Full-time" shall be defined as spending a minimum of 40 hours per week performing work-related duties.
3. "Primary school" shall be defined as "an institution where students receive their first stage of academic learning".
4. "Secondary school" shall be defined as "an institution where the second stage of education takes place, after primary education and prior to tertiary education".

Section II – Provisions
1. All full-time teachers in primary and secondary schools under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Education shall receive a minimum pay of £35,000 per year, adjusted annually for inflation.


Oh come on, that is not how things should work. The minimum should be £20k for teachers who are first starting out, and those who become more experienced and pupils achieve better grades should receive higher pay,

Minimum of £20k. Are you serious? One, that's too low for a job that requires 4-6 years of university education. How do you plan to prevent the best teachers from going to private schools? Two, there's nothing prohibiting higher pay.
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Postby Unicario » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:05 pm

Next Washington wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Any suggestions/sponsors? Also, the number is just a placeholder for now, it can certainly be raised.


change the definition, i think everyone can provide something seen as educative to pupils... say eg has to be in a legal agreement with a governmental school

would you make a difference between elementary school, middle school, high school, university profs. etc?


I've already got a bill that deals with some of this, especially Unions.
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Postby Belmaria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:07 pm

Battlion wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
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why not place some nukes in the earth of all other countries??


Remember folks, it isn't illegal if it's a big space laser!

How long till Dragomere decides we need to do this?

Actually that would be pretty cool. 10/10 would operate.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:34 pm

Peaceful Space Act

Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, attempts are being made to establish space based weapons programs;

Whereas, the Outer Space Treaty of the United Nations has declared that "states shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner" and "the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind";

Whereas, a militarization of space could threaten scientific opportunities for space exploration;

Whereas, the relatively small defence budget and military influence of Aurentina does not warrant the installation of weapons in space;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare that the Aurentine Commonwealth shall only use outer space for peaceful and non-military purposes.

Defines "outer space" as "the void that exists between celestial bodies".

Declares that the government of Aurentina shall never install any type or form of weapons in outer space, with the sole exception of weapons designed to intercept warheads coming in at a very high altitude.

Affirms that Aurentina believes in a peaceful outer space that is reserved for scientific research and cooperation between the world's nations.

Mandates that scientific research into outer space shall be funded $3 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Creates, the Aurentina Space Research Agency (ASRA), a department within the [insert ministry here]

An anti-Project Icarus bill, essentially. Project Icarus cost more than the NASA budget does. The last clause said [insert ministry here] because I wasn't sure which ministry would manage it.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:35 pm

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:36 pm

Peaceful Space Act

Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Other | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, attempts are being made to establish space based weapons programs;

Whereas, the Outer Space Treaty of the United Nations has declared that "states shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner" and "the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind";

Whereas, a militarization of space could threaten scientific opportunities for space exploration;

Whereas, the relatively small defence budget and military influence of Aurentina does not warrant the installation of weapons in space;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare that the Aurentine Commonwealth shall only use outer space for peaceful and non-military purposes.

Defines "outer space" as "the void that exists between celestial bodies".

Declares that the government of Aurentina shall never install any type or form of weapons in outer space, with the sole exception of weapons designed to intercept warheads coming in at a very high altitude.

Affirms that Aurentina believes in a peaceful outer space that is reserved for scientific research and cooperation between the world's nations.

Mandates that scientific research into outer space shall be funded $3 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Creates the Aurentina Space Research Agency (ASRA), a department within the Ministry of Research and Astronomy
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:45 pm

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $1 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Repeals, all legislation that bans any project similar to Icarus.
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:05 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Peaceful Space Act

Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Other | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, attempts are being made to establish space based weapons programs;

Whereas, the Outer Space Treaty of the United Nations has declared that "states shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner" and "the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind";

Whereas, a militarization of space could threaten scientific opportunities for space exploration;

Whereas, the relatively small defence budget and military influence of Aurentina does not warrant the installation of weapons in space;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare that the Aurentine Commonwealth shall only use outer space for peaceful and non-military purposes.

Defines "outer space" as "the void that exists between celestial bodies".

Declares that the government of Aurentina shall never install any type or form of weapons in outer space, with the sole exception of weapons designed to intercept warheads coming in at a very high altitude.

Affirms that Aurentina believes in a peaceful outer space that is reserved for scientific research and cooperation between the world's nations.

Mandates that scientific research into outer space shall be funded $3 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Creates the Aurentina Space Research Agency (ASRA), a department within the Ministry of Research and Astronomy


Sponsor, and I would suggest changing Aurentina Space Research Agency to Aurentina Space Technology Research Agency... that way it becomes the more "celestial"-sounding ASTRA when abbreviated.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:53 pm

Peaceful Space Act

Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Other | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors: Oneracon [RG]

Whereas, attempts are being made to establish space based weapons programs;

Whereas, the Outer Space Treaty of the United Nations has declared that "states shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner" and "the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind";

Whereas, a militarization of space could threaten scientific opportunities for space exploration;

Whereas, the relatively small defence budget and military influence of Aurentina does not warrant the installation of weapons in space;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare that the Aurentine Commonwealth shall only use outer space for peaceful and non-military purposes.

Defines "outer space" as "the void that exists between celestial bodies".

Declares that the government of Aurentina shall never install any type or form of weapons in outer space, with the sole exception of weapons designed to intercept warheads coming in at a very high altitude.

Affirms that Aurentina believes in a peaceful outer space that is reserved for scientific research and cooperation between the world's nations.

Mandates that scientific research into outer space shall be funded $1 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Creates the Aurentine Space Technology Research Agency (ASTRA), a department within the Ministry of Research and Astronomy

Repeals any legislation establishing a weaponisation of space.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:54 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $1 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Repeals, all legislation that bans any project similar to Icarus.

I just added a repeal clause to mine, so we'll have to see whose bill passes.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:54 pm

Guys, Dragomere's bill makes us leave the UN because of its wording.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:56 pm

Ainin wrote:Guys, Dragomere's bill makes us leave the UN because of its wording.

How?
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:00 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ainin wrote:Guys, Dragomere's bill makes us leave the UN because of its wording.

How?

Yeah, how?
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Postby Ainin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:01 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Ainin wrote:Guys, Dragomere's bill makes us leave the UN because of its wording.

How?

"Repeals, all legislation that bans any project similar to Icarus."

So it repeals the ILA, by implication repealing the 2A-ILA, which sets out our UN membership terms.
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:02 pm

Ainin wrote:
Geilinor wrote:How?

"Repeals, all legislation that bans any project similar to Icarus."

So it repeals the ILA, by implication repealing the 2A-ILA, which sets out our UN membership terms.

Can you give me a link to it so I can verify that?
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:54 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
like what?

why should one work? a geo-stationary satellite can't cover the whole world

my suggestion: buy some ships, amphibious ships/cars and give the rest of the money to the researc departmet to fund nuclear fusion

The first one could be a prototype, or a trial run, before we decide to build more of them.

I cant believe this is possible, but after looking through the specifics of his plan (a different thread), it would actually be significantly more cost effective to construct a few Tsar Bombas instead. It would also somehow be easier to transport those.....
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:00 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Dragomere wrote:The first one could be a prototype, or a trial run, before we decide to build more of them.

I cant believe this is possible, but after looking through the specifics of his plan (a different thread), it would actually be significantly more cost effective to construct a few Tsar Bombas instead. It would also somehow be easier to transport those.....

That one is different than the one on this thread. The one on the other thread is tailored for RPs by my nation, the one on this thread is tailored for MT RL
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:10 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:I cant believe this is possible, but after looking through the specifics of his plan (a different thread), it would actually be significantly more cost effective to construct a few Tsar Bombas instead. It would also somehow be easier to transport those.....

That one is different than the one on this thread. The one on the other thread is tailored for RPs by my nation, the one on this thread is tailored for MT RL

Oh, ok then

But.... then that means this thing cant be as powerful as the other much more massive weapon of yours. And that weapon was about the same strength as a regular nuclear warhead, would barely destroy a city with that. For the amount of money we are putting into this project, I want to be able to one shot the rest of Europe.
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:14 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Dragomere wrote:That one is different than the one on this thread. The one on the other thread is tailored for RPs by my nation, the one on this thread is tailored for MT RL

Oh, ok then

But.... then that means this thing cant be as powerful as the other much more massive weapon of yours. And that weapon was about the same strength as a regular nuclear warhead, would barely destroy a city with that. For the amount of money we are putting into this project, I want to be able to one shot the rest of Europe.

Depending on the number of rods, it could.
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Postby Oneracon » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:16 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Oh, ok then

But.... then that means this thing cant be as powerful as the other much more massive weapon of yours. And that weapon was about the same strength as a regular nuclear warhead, would barely destroy a city with that. For the amount of money we are putting into this project, I want to be able to one shot the rest of Europe.

Depending on the number of rods, it could.


At least you now acknowledge that such a program would be a flagrant violation of international law, and immediately make us a target... :roll:
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