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[Dragomere]

Actually it would be easy to find.

according to one budget your 10 bn would make 71%, according to the other one 56%... what about the rest of the aurentine military?

btw, i don't think we have to discuss this... your idea that this law, once passed, will automatically repeal a previous law that forbids laws like yours, is .... [how to say this in nice words...].... unappropriate and needs to be overthought

That is how RL politics work, thus since this RP is based in RL, that is how our politics work too.

[The New Sea Territory]

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

I motion for all Senators to ignore this bill, and it's ridiculous waste of money and tyrannical possibilities.

[Battlion]

according to one budget your 10 bn would make 71%, according to the other one 56%... what about the rest of the aurentine military?

btw, i don't think we have to discuss this... your idea that this law, once passed, will automatically repeal a previous law that forbids laws like yours, is .... [how to say this in nice words...].... unappropriate and needs to be overthought

That is how RL politics work, thus since this RP is based in RL, that is how our politics work too.

This isn't RL, Aurentine law forbids bills like this yet you think it's legal?

Your bill is illegal, end of story.

It also will result in massive job losses for our armed forces, your bill cuts jobs, insults diplomacy and is grossly expensive for no gain...

[Britanno]

That is how RL politics work, thus since this RP is based in RL, that is how our politics work too.

No, Aurentine politics works how we legislate it to,

[Battlion]

I'm interested as to why Belmaria has sponsored such a bill...

[Next Washington]

according to one budget your 10 bn would make 71%, according to the other one 56%... what about the rest of the aurentine military?

btw, i don't think we have to discuss this... your idea that this law, once passed, will automatically repeal a previous law that forbids laws like yours, is .... [how to say this in nice words...].... unappropriate and needs to be overthought

That is how RL politics work, thus since this RP is based in RL, that is how our politics work too.

show me one military that sets 71% or 56% of its budget for one program...

[Ainin]

Illegal under the International Law Act.

Actually, when a law is passed that goes against another law, the old law becomes null and void unless a portion of the new law amends a portion of the old law to accept it.

Lolnope.

[Next Washington]

I motion for all Senators to ignore this bill, and it's ridiculous waste of money and tyrannical possibilities.

Seconded. I'll ignore his next posts

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Actually, when a law is passed that goes against another law, the old law becomes null and void unless a portion of the new law amends a portion of the old law to accept it.

Actualy no. It needs to have a writing in the law that would say so. Also people have said that it is illegal. And i do not want to play a cracpot dictatorship.
So i motion for any debate on this ridiculous bill to be ceased and put it to dust.

[Dragomere]

Please notice that since it is a draft, I am not done editing it.

[Next Washington]

i'd like to report that i, due to the establishment of the nb, re-write parts of my CRA, but i don't change its purpose:

Continuing Resolution Act

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Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Business and Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test, NEO Rome Republic, Belmaria, Windport

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Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.

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I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for this period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.

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Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.

Continuing Resolution Act

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Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Business and Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test, NEO Rome Republic, Belmaria, Windport

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Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.

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I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by the National Bank of the Aurentine Commonwealth.

IV.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for this period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.

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Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.

so i changed III., deleted IV. and re-named former V. to new IV.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Several problems, il go in order from greatest to least problematic.

1.Our ground forces (and airforce and navy by extension) are not yet up to strength, and still need several years if not a couple of decades to get up to acceptable levels. Any massive amount of funds not going towards this is simply prolonging our buildup on the ground (IE where we win wars)

2. Despite my best wishes, the MoD budget is far too small to even hope to undertake this project, and hope to keep the rest of our military on any acceptable level.

3. Diplomatically speaking, a small and relatively new nation weaponizing satellites would be a nightmare. We would be wiped off the map, or strangled economically, before we could ever hope to put this into operation.

4. We have no space program to launch this with. Even more of a drag on the MoD.

5. This would never pass in this senate.

6. The ICARUS weapon in james bond wasnt that strong to begin with, so if thats where the inspiration came from....

7. Too advanced for our current time. Re propose this in say 10-20 years, after the rest of our military is up to fighting strength and space based weapons become more feasible, economically and as an actual weapons system, and perhaps the answer will change.

But for now, NO

[Battlion]

The answer should always be no... not in 10-20 years should it change.

[Byzantium Imperial]

The answer should always be no... not in 10-20 years should it change.

Well if Space based weapons get alot cheaper and more diplomatically acceptable then that would prompt a rethink of our stance. Though certainly in our current context the answer is clearly no

[Dragomere]

Icarus is not a laser, it is a orbital bombardment satellite.

[Battlion]

Icarus is not a laser, it is a orbital bombardment satellite.

Yes, and that makes it more acceptable clearly.

[Next Washington]

Icarus is not a laser, it is a orbital bombardment satellite.

why not place some nukes in the earth of all other countries??

[Battlion]

Icarus is not a laser, it is a orbital bombardment satellite.

why not place some nukes in the earth of all other countries??

Remember folks, it isn't illegal if it's a big space laser!

How long till Dragomere decides we need to do this?

[Next Washington]

why not place some nukes in the earth of all other countries??

Remember folks, it isn't illegal if it's a big space laser!

How long till Dragomere decides we need to do this?

requires huge surpluses first... or extreme tax rates -

[Byzantium Imperial]

why not place some nukes in the earth of all other countries??

Remember folks, it isn't illegal if it's a big space laser!

How long till Dragomere decides we need to do this?

If we could reasonably hope to construct that and pay for it without confiscating all the wealth in Aurentinia (and most of the rest of the world for that matter), I would demand it XD

[Kouralia]

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Wouldn't work, as you've been told by COrparation. You get roughly 0.01kt of explosive force for 10 tonnes of metal which you've moved into space. Roughly. I can't be bothered to check. It's also a satellite, so any ASM can shoot it down.

So, basically, it's weaker than a nuke. It's always visible to the enemy's sensors (unlike Trident, say). And it can be shot down at your leisure.

[Dragomere]

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Repeals, all legislation that bans any project similar to Icarus.

[Finium]

Project Icarus is way out of the legislative purview and I would feel much more comfortable if we did not so closely mandate the directives of the executive.

[Kouralia]

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Repeals, all legislation that bans any project similar to Icarus.

You realise we can then counterlegislate on it? Even if you repeal pre-existing legislation.

[Dragomere]

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors: Belmaria [LP]

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Wouldn't work, as you've been told by COrparation. You get roughly 0.01kt of explosive force for 10 tonnes of metal which you've moved into space. Roughly. I can't be bothered to check. It's also a satellite, so any ASM can shoot it down.

So, basically, it's weaker than a nuke. It's always visible to the enemy's sensors (unlike Trident, say). And it can be shot down at your leisure.

It is not weaker than a nuke, it yields 481.23 kt