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by Oneracon » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:24 am

Compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
| Pro: | LGBTQ+ rights, basic income, secularism, gun control, internet freedom, civic nationalism, non-military national service, independent Scotland, antifa |
| Anti: | Social conservatism, laissez-faire capitalism, NuAtheism, PETA, capital punishment, Putin, SWERF, TERF, GamerGate, "Alt-right" & neo-Nazism, Drumpf, ethnic nationalism, "anti-PC", pineapple on pizza |

by Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:25 am

by Oneracon » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:26 am
Compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
| Pro: | LGBTQ+ rights, basic income, secularism, gun control, internet freedom, civic nationalism, non-military national service, independent Scotland, antifa |
| Anti: | Social conservatism, laissez-faire capitalism, NuAtheism, PETA, capital punishment, Putin, SWERF, TERF, GamerGate, "Alt-right" & neo-Nazism, Drumpf, ethnic nationalism, "anti-PC", pineapple on pizza |

by Costa Alegria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:28 am

by Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:16 am

by The IASM » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:25 am
Oneracon wrote:Dragomere wrote:Project Icarus
Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:
Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;
Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;
Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;
We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.
Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.
Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.
Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.
Given that this is illegal under international law... NO

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:30 am
Court Transparency Act
Urgency: Moderate | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Order
Co-sponsors:Tundland [NDP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Beta Test [ALM], Britanno [ALM]
Preamble
An Act of the Senate of Aurentina to bring transparency to court proceedings and create a bigger connection to justice with everyday citizens whilst understanding and desiring to protect those who should remain privately involved in court proceedings.
Section I – Right to Deny
1. All Parties involved in a court case shall have the right to appeal to the Judge to restrict the recording of the case throughout its entirety or partly at the beginning of the court session.
2. The Judge may approve the appeal on the following grounds:(a) National Security could be threatened by the recording of the case
3. The Right to Deny shall not be included for the delivery of verdict and/or any sentencing that is to follow.
(b) There is no significant public interest in the recording of the case
(c) Recording would endanger any party involved in a court case
(d) Any Party involved feel that recording would cause distress to themselves
4. The Judge shall explain his reasoning for the approval or rejection of an appeal before starting the trial, which shall be made public following the end of the court session.
Section II – Recording of Court Cases
1. Upon the passage of this act it shall be sufficient and legal for the approved recording of a court case, this shall apply to all courts within Aurentina.
2. “Approved Recording” shall be defined as the action or process of recording sound or a performance for subsequent reproduction or broadcast as approved by a Judge.
3. Any Recording that has not been approved by a Judge shall be subsequently destroyed, with those responsible facing the possibility of removal from the court or further charges as deemed sufficient by a Judge.
Section III – Broadcast of Court Cases
1. All recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be placed online in an archive to be created by the Ministry of Justice.
2. Recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be available for transmission across television networks following a successful bid to the Ministry of Justice.
3. The Ministry of Justice may approve or deny permission for any reason, however must provide a full public statement for doing so within twenty four hours.
Section IV – Review of Transparency
1. The Ministry of Justice shall review and produce a public statement on the amount of recorded cases available in the archive and on the amount of recorded cases that have been broadcast every year.

by Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:36 am
Battlion wrote:Final call for sponsors(Image)
Court Transparency Act
Urgency: Moderate | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Order
Co-sponsors:Tundland [NDP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Beta Test [ALM], Britanno [ALM]
Preamble
An Act of the Senate of Aurentina to bring transparency to court proceedings and create a bigger connection to justice with everyday citizens whilst understanding and desiring to protect those who should remain privately involved in court proceedings.
Section I – Right to Deny
1. All Parties involved in a court case shall have the right to appeal to the Judge to restrict the recording of the case throughout its entirety or partly at the beginning of the court session.
2. The Judge may approve the appeal on the following grounds:(a) National Security could be threatened by the recording of the case
3. The Right to Deny shall not be included for the delivery of verdict and/or any sentencing that is to follow.
(b) There is no significant public interest in the recording of the case
(c) Recording would endanger any party involved in a court case
(d) Any Party involved feel that recording would cause distress to themselves
4. The Judge shall explain his reasoning for the approval or rejection of an appeal before starting the trial, which shall be made public following the end of the court session.
Section II – Recording of Court Cases
1. Upon the passage of this act it shall be sufficient and legal for the approved recording of a court case, this shall apply to all courts within Aurentina.
2. “Approved Recording” shall be defined as the action or process of recording sound or a performance for subsequent reproduction or broadcast as approved by a Judge.
3. Any Recording that has not been approved by a Judge shall be subsequently destroyed, with those responsible facing the possibility of removal from the court or further charges as deemed sufficient by a Judge.
Section III – Broadcast of Court Cases
1. All recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be placed online in an archive to be created by the Ministry of Justice.
2. Recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be available for transmission across television networks following a successful bid to the Ministry of Justice.
3. The Ministry of Justice may approve or deny permission for any reason, however must provide a full public statement for doing so within twenty four hours.
Section IV – Review of Transparency
1. The Ministry of Justice shall review and produce a public statement on the amount of recorded cases available in the archive and on the amount of recorded cases that have been broadcast every year.

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:45 am

by The IASM » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:49 am
Battlion wrote:Final call for sponsors(Image)
Court Transparency Act
Urgency: Moderate | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Order
Co-sponsors:Tundland [NDP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Beta Test [ALM], Britanno [ALM]
Preamble
An Act of the Senate of Aurentina to bring transparency to court proceedings and create a bigger connection to justice with everyday citizens whilst understanding and desiring to protect those who should remain privately involved in court proceedings.
Section I – Right to Deny
1. All Parties involved in a court case shall have the right to appeal to the Judge to restrict the recording of the case throughout its entirety or partly at the beginning of the court session.
2. The Judge may approve the appeal on the following grounds:(a) National Security could be threatened by the recording of the case
3. The Right to Deny shall not be included for the delivery of verdict and/or any sentencing that is to follow.
(b) There is no significant public interest in the recording of the case
(c) Recording would endanger any party involved in a court case
(d) Any Party involved feel that recording would cause distress to themselves
4. The Judge shall explain his reasoning for the approval or rejection of an appeal before starting the trial, which shall be made public following the end of the court session.
Section II – Recording of Court Cases
1. Upon the passage of this act it shall be sufficient and legal for the approved recording of a court case, this shall apply to all courts within Aurentina.
2. “Approved Recording” shall be defined as the action or process of recording sound or a performance for subsequent reproduction or broadcast as approved by a Judge.
3. Any Recording that has not been approved by a Judge shall be subsequently destroyed, with those responsible facing the possibility of removal from the court or further charges as deemed sufficient by a Judge.
Section III – Broadcast of Court Cases
1. All recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be placed online in an archive to be created by the Ministry of Justice.
2. Recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be available for transmission across television networks following a successful bid to the Ministry of Justice.
3. The Ministry of Justice may approve or deny permission for any reason, however must provide a full public statement for doing so within twenty four hours.
Section IV – Review of Transparency
1. The Ministry of Justice shall review and produce a public statement on the amount of recorded cases available in the archive and on the amount of recorded cases that have been broadcast every year.

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:51 am
The IASM wrote:Battlion wrote:Final call for sponsors(Image)
Court Transparency Act
Urgency: Moderate | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Order
Co-sponsors:Tundland [NDP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Beta Test [ALM], Britanno [ALM]
Preamble
An Act of the Senate of Aurentina to bring transparency to court proceedings and create a bigger connection to justice with everyday citizens whilst understanding and desiring to protect those who should remain privately involved in court proceedings.
Section I – Right to Deny
1. All Parties involved in a court case shall have the right to appeal to the Judge to restrict the recording of the case throughout its entirety or partly at the beginning of the court session.
2. The Judge may approve the appeal on the following grounds:(a) National Security could be threatened by the recording of the case
3. The Right to Deny shall not be included for the delivery of verdict and/or any sentencing that is to follow.
(b) There is no significant public interest in the recording of the case
(c) Recording would endanger any party involved in a court case
(d) Any Party involved feel that recording would cause distress to themselves
4. The Judge shall explain his reasoning for the approval or rejection of an appeal before starting the trial, which shall be made public following the end of the court session.
Section II – Recording of Court Cases
1. Upon the passage of this act it shall be sufficient and legal for the approved recording of a court case, this shall apply to all courts within Aurentina.
2. “Approved Recording” shall be defined as the action or process of recording sound or a performance for subsequent reproduction or broadcast as approved by a Judge.
3. Any Recording that has not been approved by a Judge shall be subsequently destroyed, with those responsible facing the possibility of removal from the court or further charges as deemed sufficient by a Judge.
Section III – Broadcast of Court Cases
1. All recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be placed online in an archive to be created by the Ministry of Justice.
2. Recorded Court cases, entirely or partly, shall be available for transmission across television networks following a successful bid to the Ministry of Justice.
3. The Ministry of Justice may approve or deny permission for any reason, however must provide a full public statement for doing so within twenty four hours.
Section IV – Review of Transparency
1. The Ministry of Justice shall review and produce a public statement on the amount of recorded cases available in the archive and on the amount of recorded cases that have been broadcast every year.
Courts are places were the law must be enforced without any interference from external forces, this is also an unecessary invasion of all parties privacy. Imagine this, a pedophile's lawyer is saying that the victims case is wrong an based on lies is being sent all across Aurentine all for people to see, imagine the victims horror.

by The IASM » Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:56 am
Battlion wrote:The IASM wrote:Courts are places were the law must be enforced without any interference from external forces, this is also an unecessary invasion of all parties privacy. Imagine this, a pedophile's lawyer is saying that the victims case is wrong an based on lies is being sent all across Aurentine all for people to see, imagine the victims horror.
Victim requests cameras are turned off for cross-examination, turned off.
Any party can request this, broadcast is after a trial has finished.
There is no external influence, there is no difference to what we have now bar one camera in a courtroom.
Why are people assuming that cameras will be on all the time and that it will be live broadcast across the nation, the bill very clearly does neither of those things.

by Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:07 am

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:07 am
The IASM wrote:Battlion wrote:
Victim requests cameras are turned off for cross-examination, turned off.
Any party can request this, broadcast is after a trial has finished.
There is no external influence, there is no difference to what we have now bar one camera in a courtroom.
Why are people assuming that cameras will be on all the time and that it will be live broadcast across the nation, the bill very clearly does neither of those things.
Either way, transparency is generally a bad idea, the state should be in complete control over what information gets in or out from their services however that does not mean that those who do wrong shouldn't be exposed.

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:11 am
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Becase even if you are innocent a trial will show one of the most emberasing moments in your life. Not to mention your breakdown of being accused of something you have not done. The public and especialy your enemies will enjoy watching a video of your humiliation. Becase trust me it is how things work.
And about the way people will see the law being enforced well let me tell you something. As long as the person responsible is behaind bars they do not care how it is enforced.
And another very much flawed assumption is that this way people can see how our justice sistem works. 99% of people do not care how the sistem works. So that already sends in water all your assumpitions about the public interest. There is none public interest for trials to be recorded.
The courts are transperant when they allow people to watch. Not to mention the preasure to the judge if the public belives that his verdic was wrong. There are multiple flaws all across the board with this proposal.
Said Branko Aleksic in his normal calm tone.

by The IASM » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:15 am
Battlion wrote:The IASM wrote:Either way, transparency is generally a bad idea, the state should be in complete control over what information gets in or out from their services however that does not mean that those who do wrong shouldn't be exposed.
They're exposed regardless of cameras, there is a thing called the Media now... If people commit a crime and are found guilty of it by law then the public have the right to know what happened in the trial and should be able to physically see the trial. Additionally, it can be a great learning resource for those trying to understand our system as it will be available to see.
The reaction most people give is "cameras will be forever on, I Oppose" when I show them they won't I get either no reply or "transparency is bad anyway" I have not seen a single response that initially does this but when is shown goes "oh, my bad".

by The Nihilistic view » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:16 am
Battlion wrote:The IASM wrote:Either way, transparency is generally a bad idea, the state should be in complete control over what information gets in or out from their services however that does not mean that those who do wrong shouldn't be exposed.
They're exposed regardless of cameras, there is a thing called the Media now... If people commit a crime and are found guilty of it by law then the public have the right to know what happened in the trial and should be able to physically see the trial. Additionally, it can be a great learning resource for those trying to understand our system as it will be available to see.
The reaction most people give is "cameras will be forever on, I Oppose" when I show them they won't I get either no reply or "transparency is bad anyway" I have not seen a single response that initially does this but when is shown goes "oh, my bad".

by Macedonian Grand Empire » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:16 am
Battlion wrote:
1) Again, IF any party thinks that part of a trial or the entire trial will cause them distress if recorded they can request this before the trial formally begins and the cameras will be switched off. Zilch, no recording, no broadcast, nothing at all as stated by law!
2) So we ignore the 1%? But I look forward to seeing a source stating that the Aurentine people do not want to see how their system works, I assume you will post one for me?
3) Once more, after the trial and if the public believe a verdict is wrong there is nothing that can be done about that regardless. There will either be an appeal or nothing at all, thus this argument holds no weight.

by The Nihilistic view » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:19 am
Battlion wrote:Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Becase even if you are innocent a trial will show one of the most emberasing moments in your life. Not to mention your breakdown of being accused of something you have not done. The public and especialy your enemies will enjoy watching a video of your humiliation. Becase trust me it is how things work.
And about the way people will see the law being enforced well let me tell you something. As long as the person responsible is behaind bars they do not care how it is enforced.
And another very much flawed assumption is that this way people can see how our justice sistem works. 99% of people do not care how the sistem works. So that already sends in water all your assumpitions about the public interest. There is none public interest for trials to be recorded.
The courts are transperant when they allow people to watch. Not to mention the preasure to the judge if the public belives that his verdic was wrong. There are multiple flaws all across the board with this proposal.
Said Branko Aleksic in his normal calm tone.
1) Again, IF any party thinks that part of a trial or the entire trial will cause them distress if recorded they can request this before the trial formally begins and the cameras will be switched off. Zilch, no recording, no broadcast, nothing at all as stated by law!
2) So we ignore the 1%? But I look forward to seeing a source stating that the Aurentine people do not want to see how their system works, I assume you will post one for me?
3) Once more, after the trial and if the public believe a verdict is wrong there is nothing that can be done about that regardless. There will either be an appeal or nothing at all, thus this argument holds no weight.

by The Nihilistic view » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:21 am

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:22 am
Macedonian Grand Empire wrote:Battlion wrote:
1) Again, IF any party thinks that part of a trial or the entire trial will cause them distress if recorded they can request this before the trial formally begins and the cameras will be switched off. Zilch, no recording, no broadcast, nothing at all as stated by law!
2) So we ignore the 1%? But I look forward to seeing a source stating that the Aurentine people do not want to see how their system works, I assume you will post one for me?
3) Once more, after the trial and if the public believe a verdict is wrong there is nothing that can be done about that regardless. There will either be an appeal or nothing at all, thus this argument holds no weight.
1. But if the judge belives that it would not they will not be turned on.
2. it is based on a Rl understanding that most of people do not give a dime about how the law sistem works
3. About the verdict notting can be done yes. But have you considered that the judge has a private life? How about the condemnation of the people he is with everyday about the verdict? All the people accusing him being wrong and so on. It is a presure for his next cases. And that can make him go with the public opinion and not what the law states.

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:23 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Battlion wrote:
1) Again, IF any party thinks that part of a trial or the entire trial will cause them distress if recorded they can request this before the trial formally begins and the cameras will be switched off. Zilch, no recording, no broadcast, nothing at all as stated by law!
2) So we ignore the 1%? But I look forward to seeing a source stating that the Aurentine people do not want to see how their system works, I assume you will post one for me?
3) Once more, after the trial and if the public believe a verdict is wrong there is nothing that can be done about that regardless. There will either be an appeal or nothing at all, thus this argument holds no weight.
3) the public's reaction put's pressure at a particular outcome on an appeal.

by Costa Alegria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:26 am
[/quote]Local Government Act
Category: Safety and Order
Urgency: Moderate
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (NDP)
Sponsors: New Bierstaat (LP), Minarchist States (LP)
RECOGNISING: That Aurentina needs local government bodies to administer cities and districts effectively.
ACKNOWLEDGING: That provinces were meant to be provided for in the constitution that has never materialised.
HEREBY: Passes the Local Government Act which seeks to outline and regulate the powers of provincial and local body governments and repeals any previous legislation articles regarding local governance structure and powers.
Article 1: On Provinces
1a: Hereby creates provinces as second-tier levels of local-body administration in Aurentina.
1b: Each province is to be administered by an intendant. The intendant serves as the figurehead of the provincial administrative body and is to be elected for a term of five years to be held concurrent with local body elections.
1c: The intendant has no powers over central government.
1d: The intendant does have the power of the following:1e: Control of law and order, healthcare, welfare, justice and energy are to fully remain under the control of central government. Housing shall remain under the control of both local body governments and central government.
- Infrastructure funding
- Education funding towards schools and universities
- Extra-government healthcare funding
- Cultural funding (i.e funding of arts festivals)
- Administration of local divisions of government agencies
- Local body government funding
- Ability to repeal local-body laws that are conflict or break national statutory law
- Ability to stand down an elected mayor if they refuse to resign or have committed a violation of the law that requires them to stand trial.
1f: Provinces may not enact statutory law nor any by-laws altogether.
1g: Provinces may not create legislative bodies.
1h: Provinces may not enact taxes on residents.
1i: Intendant candidacy restrictions are those of mayoral and council candidates.
Article 2: On District and City Councils
Article 2a: Hereby defines the following:Article 2b: Hereby creates city and district councils as third tier local body administration in Aurentina.
- District Council: A local government body that governs an area comprising one or more cities and towns with a population totalling less than 100,000 inhabitants.
- City Council: A local government body that governs an urban area with a population totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants.
- Urban Area: A population cluster totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants with a density of 350 persons per square kilometre.
- Additionally defines a district as an urban or rural area as described above without population conditions and is governed by a district or a city council.
Article 2c: Each council shall be administered by a mayor. They are the head of the council and are elected to a term of five years to be held in elections.
Article 2d: The mayor shall not have powers over central government but does have powers over local government.
Article 2e: District Councils have the following powers:[*]Enact rates: monthly bills sent to residents to pay for water and other utilities and public services provided by the local council (except public transport).[/list]
- Control over transport and infrastructure related issues, such as road planning, tolls, parking, maintenance etc.
- Control over placement of speed limits within their respective district boundaries in accordance with national law.
- Control over zoning laws and housing areas as well as by-laws surrounding property maintenance.
- Implementation of local by-laws by the council. These laws are only valid within the territorial boundaries of the respective district and must not conflict, undermine or overrule national law.
- Provision of services such as utilities, waste disposal and public transport.
- Implementation of laws regarding the consumption of alcohol and other drugs that pose health issues towards the general public.
Article 2f: Councils may not enact taxes on residents.
Article 2g: Mayors may not be members of any established political party prior to office nor may they hold any other political office during their term.
Article 2h: Mayors are not above local or national laws and any break of the law resulting in a trial will result in their removal from office.
Article 2i: Mayoral and council candidates must have the following in order to be eligible to run in elections:
- Aurentine citizenship or permanent residency
- Must have lived in their district for more than five years and must be able to reside on a permanent basis in said district throughout their term (holidays do not apply).
- No serious criminal record.
- All candidates must be over 18 years of age.

by The Nihilistic view » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:27 am
Battlion wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
3) the public's reaction put's pressure at a particular outcome on an appeal.
As I just said, if judges cave to public reaction then they are bad judges and shouldn't be a judge. They should follow and uphold the law, if the law says something is wrong and the public disagree then it is lawmakers who must deal with it.
Not the Judge.

by Battlion » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:40 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Battlion wrote:
As I just said, if judges cave to public reaction then they are bad judges and shouldn't be a judge. They should follow and uphold the law, if the law says something is wrong and the public disagree then it is lawmakers who must deal with it.
Not the Judge.
Fact is they are a judge and they were affected by this bill in a negative way.
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