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Costa Alegria
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:41 pm

In needing of sponsors:

Local Government Act
Category: Safety and Order
Urgency: Moderate
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (NDP)
Sponsors:


RECOGNISING: That Aurentina needs local government bodies to administer cities and districts effectively.

ACKNOWLEDGING: That provinces were meant to be provided for in the constitution that has never materialised.

HEREBY: Passes the Local Government Act which seeks to outline and regulate the powers of provincial and local body governments and repeals any previous legislation articles regarding local governance structure and powers.

Article 1: On Provinces
1a: Hereby creates provinces as second-tier levels of local-body administration in Aurentina.
1b: Each province is to be administered by an intendant. The intendant serves as the figurehead of the provincial administrative body and is to be elected for a term of five years to be held concurrent with local body elections.
1c: The intendant has no powers over central government.
1d: The intendant does have the power of the following:
  • Infrastructure funding
  • Education funding towards schools and universities
  • Extra-government healthcare funding
  • Cultural funding (i.e funding of arts festivals)
  • Administration of local divisions of government agencies
  • Local body government funding
  • Ability to repeal local-body laws that are conflict or break national statutory law
  • Ability to stand down an elected mayor if they refuse to resign or have committed a violation of the law that requires them to stand trial.
1e: Control of law and order, healthcare, welfare, justice and energy are to fully remain under the control of central government. Housing shall remain under the control of both local body governments and central government.
1f: Provinces may not enact statutory law nor any by-laws altogether.
1g: Provinces may not create legislative bodies.
1h: Provinces may not enact taxes on residents.
1i: Intendant candidacy restrictions are those of mayoral and council candidates.

Article 2: On District and City Councils
Article 2a: Hereby defines the following:
  • District Council: A local government body that governs an area comprising one or more cities and towns with a population totalling less than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • City Council: A local government body that governs an urban area with a population totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • Urban Area: A population cluster totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants with a density of 350 persons per square kilometre.
  • Additionally defines a district as an urban or rural area as described above without population conditions and is governed by a district or a city council.
Article 2b: Hereby creates city and district councils as third tier local body administration in Aurentina.
Article 2c: Each council shall be administered by a mayor. They are the head of the council and are elected to a term of five years to be held in elections.
Article 2d: The mayor shall not have powers over central government but does have powers over local government.
Article 2e: District Councils have the following powers:
  • Control over transport and infrastructure related issues, such as road planning, tolls, parking, maintenance etc.
  • Control over placement of speed limits within their respective district boundaries in accordance with national law.
  • Control over zoning laws and housing areas as well as by-laws surrounding property maintenance.
  • Implementation of local by-laws by the council. These laws are only valid within the territorial boundaries of the respective district and must not conflict, undermine or overrule national law.
  • Provision of services such as utilities, waste disposal and public transport.
  • Implementation of laws regarding the consumption of alcohol and other drugs that pose health issues towards the general public.
[*]Enact rates: monthly bills sent to residents to pay for water and other utilities and public services provided by the local council (except public transport).[/list]

Article 2f: Councils may not enact taxes on residents.
Article 2g: Mayors may not be members of any established political party prior to office nor may they hold any other political office during their term.
Article 2h: Mayors are not above local or national laws and any break of the law resulting in a trial will result in their removal from office.
Article 2i: Mayoral and council candidates must have the following in order to be eligible to run in elections:
  • Aurentine citizenship or permanent residency
  • Must have lived in their district for more than five years and must be able to reside on a permanent basis in said district throughout their term (holidays do not apply).
  • No serious criminal record.
  • All candidates must be over 18 years of age.
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Postby New Bierstaat » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:59 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:In needing of sponsors:

Local Government Act
Category: Safety and Order
Urgency: Moderate
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (NDP)
Sponsors:


RECOGNISING: That Aurentina needs local government bodies to administer cities and districts effectively.

ACKNOWLEDGING: That provinces were meant to be provided for in the constitution that has never materialised.

HEREBY: Passes the Local Government Act which seeks to outline and regulate the powers of provincial and local body governments and repeals any previous legislation articles regarding local governance structure and powers.

Article 1: On Provinces
1a: Hereby creates provinces as second-tier levels of local-body administration in Aurentina.
1b: Each province is to be administered by an intendant. The intendant serves as the figurehead of the provincial administrative body and is to be elected for a term of five years to be held concurrent with local body elections.
1c: The intendant has no powers over central government.
1d: The intendant does have the power of the following:
  • Infrastructure funding
  • Education funding towards schools and universities
  • Extra-government healthcare funding
  • Cultural funding (i.e funding of arts festivals)
  • Administration of local divisions of government agencies
  • Local body government funding
  • Ability to repeal local-body laws that are conflict or break national statutory law
  • Ability to stand down an elected mayor if they refuse to resign or have committed a violation of the law that requires them to stand trial.
1e: Control of law and order, healthcare, welfare, justice and energy are to fully remain under the control of central government. Housing shall remain under the control of both local body governments and central government.
1f: Provinces may not enact statutory law nor any by-laws altogether.
1g: Provinces may not create legislative bodies.
1h: Provinces may not enact taxes on residents.
1i: Intendant candidacy restrictions are those of mayoral and council candidates.

Article 2: On District and City Councils
Article 2a: Hereby defines the following:
  • District Council: A local government body that governs an area comprising one or more cities and towns with a population totalling less than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • City Council: A local government body that governs an urban area with a population totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • Urban Area: A population cluster totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants with a density of 350 persons per square kilometre.
  • Additionally defines a district as an urban or rural area as described above without population conditions and is governed by a district or a city council.
Article 2b: Hereby creates city and district councils as third tier local body administration in Aurentina.
Article 2c: Each council shall be administered by a mayor. They are the head of the council and are elected to a term of five years to be held in elections.
Article 2d: The mayor shall not have powers over central government but does have powers over local government.
Article 2e: District Councils have the following powers:
  • Control over transport and infrastructure related issues, such as road planning, tolls, parking, maintenance etc.
  • Control over placement of speed limits within their respective district boundaries in accordance with national law.
  • Control over zoning laws and housing areas as well as by-laws surrounding property maintenance.
  • Implementation of local by-laws by the council. These laws are only valid within the territorial boundaries of the respective district and must not conflict, undermine or overrule national law.
  • Provision of services such as utilities, waste disposal and public transport.
  • Implementation of laws regarding the consumption of alcohol and other drugs that pose health issues towards the general public.
[*]Enact rates: monthly bills sent to residents to pay for water and other utilities and public services provided by the local council (except public transport).[/list]

Article 2f: Councils may not enact taxes on residents.
Article 2g: Mayors may not be members of any established political party prior to office nor may they hold any other political office during their term.
Article 2h: Mayors are not above local or national laws and any break of the law resulting in a trial will result in their removal from office.
Article 2i: Mayoral and council candidates must have the following in order to be eligible to run in elections:
  • Aurentine citizenship or permanent residency
  • Must have lived in their district for more than five years and must be able to reside on a permanent basis in said district throughout their term (holidays do not apply).
  • No serious criminal record.
  • All candidates must be over 18 years of age.

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Belmaria
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Postby Belmaria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:00 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:In needing of sponsors:

Local Government Act
Category: Safety and Order
Urgency: Moderate
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (NDP)
Sponsors:


RECOGNISING: That Aurentina needs local government bodies to administer cities and districts effectively.

ACKNOWLEDGING: That provinces were meant to be provided for in the constitution that has never materialised.

HEREBY: Passes the Local Government Act which seeks to outline and regulate the powers of provincial and local body governments and repeals any previous legislation articles regarding local governance structure and powers.

Article 1: On Provinces
1a: Hereby creates provinces as second-tier levels of local-body administration in Aurentina.
1b: Each province is to be administered by an intendant. The intendant serves as the figurehead of the provincial administrative body and is to be elected for a term of five years to be held concurrent with local body elections.
1c: The intendant has no powers over central government.
1d: The intendant does have the power of the following:
  • Infrastructure funding
  • Education funding towards schools and universities
  • Extra-government healthcare funding
  • Cultural funding (i.e funding of arts festivals)
  • Administration of local divisions of government agencies
  • Local body government funding
  • Ability to repeal local-body laws that are conflict or break national statutory law
  • Ability to stand down an elected mayor if they refuse to resign or have committed a violation of the law that requires them to stand trial.
1e: Control of law and order, healthcare, welfare, justice and energy are to fully remain under the control of central government. Housing shall remain under the control of both local body governments and central government.
1f: Provinces may not enact statutory law nor any by-laws altogether.
1g: Provinces may not create legislative bodies.
1h: Provinces may not enact taxes on residents.
1i: Intendant candidacy restrictions are those of mayoral and council candidates.

Article 2: On District and City Councils
Article 2a: Hereby defines the following:
  • District Council: A local government body that governs an area comprising one or more cities and towns with a population totalling less than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • City Council: A local government body that governs an urban area with a population totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • Urban Area: A population cluster totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants with a density of 350 persons per square kilometre.
  • Additionally defines a district as an urban or rural area as described above without population conditions and is governed by a district or a city council.
Article 2b: Hereby creates city and district councils as third tier local body administration in Aurentina.
Article 2c: Each council shall be administered by a mayor. They are the head of the council and are elected to a term of five years to be held in elections.
Article 2d: The mayor shall not have powers over central government but does have powers over local government.
Article 2e: District Councils have the following powers:
  • Control over transport and infrastructure related issues, such as road planning, tolls, parking, maintenance etc.
  • Control over placement of speed limits within their respective district boundaries in accordance with national law.
  • Control over zoning laws and housing areas as well as by-laws surrounding property maintenance.
  • Implementation of local by-laws by the council. These laws are only valid within the territorial boundaries of the respective district and must not conflict, undermine or overrule national law.
  • Provision of services such as utilities, waste disposal and public transport.
  • Implementation of laws regarding the consumption of alcohol and other drugs that pose health issues towards the general public.
[*]Enact rates: monthly bills sent to residents to pay for water and other utilities and public services provided by the local council (except public transport).[/list]

Article 2f: Councils may not enact taxes on residents.
Article 2g: Mayors may not be members of any established political party prior to office nor may they hold any other political office during their term.
Article 2h: Mayors are not above local or national laws and any break of the law resulting in a trial will result in their removal from office.
Article 2i: Mayoral and council candidates must have the following in order to be eligible to run in elections:
  • Aurentine citizenship or permanent residency
  • Must have lived in their district for more than five years and must be able to reside on a permanent basis in said district throughout their term (holidays do not apply).
  • No serious criminal record.
  • All candidates must be over 18 years of age.

Over here!

I would support it if it allowed for the establishment of commission governments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_comm ... government
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Costa Alegria
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:05 pm

New Bierstaat wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:In needing of sponsors:

Local Government Act
Category: Safety and Order
Urgency: Moderate
Drafted By: Michael Blumenthal (NDP)
Sponsors: New Bierstaat (LP), Minarchist States (LP)


RECOGNISING: That Aurentina needs local government bodies to administer cities and districts effectively.

ACKNOWLEDGING: That provinces were meant to be provided for in the constitution that has never materialised.

HEREBY: Passes the Local Government Act which seeks to outline and regulate the powers of provincial and local body governments and repeals any previous legislation articles regarding local governance structure and powers.

Article 1: On Provinces
1a: Hereby creates provinces as second-tier levels of local-body administration in Aurentina.
1b: Each province is to be administered by an intendant. The intendant serves as the figurehead of the provincial administrative body and is to be elected for a term of five years to be held concurrent with local body elections.
1c: The intendant has no powers over central government.
1d: The intendant does have the power of the following:
  • Infrastructure funding
  • Education funding towards schools and universities
  • Extra-government healthcare funding
  • Cultural funding (i.e funding of arts festivals)
  • Administration of local divisions of government agencies
  • Local body government funding
  • Ability to repeal local-body laws that are conflict or break national statutory law
  • Ability to stand down an elected mayor if they refuse to resign or have committed a violation of the law that requires them to stand trial.
1e: Control of law and order, healthcare, welfare, justice and energy are to fully remain under the control of central government. Housing shall remain under the control of both local body governments and central government.
1f: Provinces may not enact statutory law nor any by-laws altogether.
1g: Provinces may not create legislative bodies.
1h: Provinces may not enact taxes on residents.
1i: Intendant candidacy restrictions are those of mayoral and council candidates.

Article 2: On District and City Councils
Article 2a: Hereby defines the following:
  • District Council: A local government body that governs an area comprising one or more cities and towns with a population totalling less than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • City Council: A local government body that governs an urban area with a population totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants.
  • Urban Area: A population cluster totalling more than 100,000 inhabitants with a density of 350 persons per square kilometre.
  • Additionally defines a district as an urban or rural area as described above without population conditions and is governed by a district or a city council.
Article 2b: Hereby creates city and district councils as third tier local body administration in Aurentina.
Article 2c: Each council shall be administered by a mayor. They are the head of the council and are elected to a term of five years to be held in elections.
Article 2d: The mayor shall not have powers over central government but does have powers over local government.
Article 2e: District Councils have the following powers:
  • Control over transport and infrastructure related issues, such as road planning, tolls, parking, maintenance etc.
  • Control over placement of speed limits within their respective district boundaries in accordance with national law.
  • Control over zoning laws and housing areas as well as by-laws surrounding property maintenance.
  • Implementation of local by-laws by the council. These laws are only valid within the territorial boundaries of the respective district and must not conflict, undermine or overrule national law.
  • Provision of services such as utilities, waste disposal and public transport.
  • Implementation of laws regarding the consumption of alcohol and other drugs that pose health issues towards the general public.
[*]Enact rates: monthly bills sent to residents to pay for water and other utilities and public services provided by the local council (except public transport).[/list]

Article 2f: Councils may not enact taxes on residents.
Article 2g: Mayors may not be members of any established political party prior to office nor may they hold any other political office during their term.
Article 2h: Mayors are not above local or national laws and any break of the law resulting in a trial will result in their removal from office.
Article 2i: Mayoral and council candidates must have the following in order to be eligible to run in elections:
  • Aurentine citizenship or permanent residency
  • Must have lived in their district for more than five years and must be able to reside on a permanent basis in said district throughout their term (holidays do not apply).
  • No serious criminal record.
  • All candidates must be over 18 years of age.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:07 pm

Belmaria wrote:I would support it if it allowed for the establishment of commission governments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_comm ... government


I'm reluctant to add it on the basis that it's really quite unnecessary and that it seems to be only an American thing. And given that Aurentina isn't American but formerly British, I don't see what use it would serve, given that city councils in most other places have elected members that debate and pass by-laws themselves.
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Postby Belmaria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:11 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Belmaria wrote:I would support it if it allowed for the establishment of commission governments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_comm ... government


I'm reluctant to add it on the basis that it's really quite unnecessary and that it seems to be only an American thing. And given that Aurentina isn't American but formerly British, I don't see what use it would serve, given that city councils in most other places have elected members that debate and pass by-laws themselves.

It separates the powers of the executive branch. Think of it as a cabinet rather than a mayor having executive authority. Said authority is delegated to each department (transport would, for instance, be in charge of roads for the town, justice would be over the police, education over the local schools, etc) rather than one mayor having all the executive power.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:17 pm

Belmaria wrote:It separates the powers of the executive branch.


Yeah, no. It's entirely unnecessary.

Think of it as a cabinet rather than a mayor having executive authority. Said authority is delegated to each department (transport would, for instance, be in charge of roads for the town, justice would be over the police, education over the local schools, etc) rather than one mayor having all the executive power.


City councils don't need cabinets. They don't need those sorts of things. Issues are to be debated and determined as a collective and then a consensus reached between council members.
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Postby Minarchist States » Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:35 pm

I shall also sponsor Costa's bill. We need this.
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Bill Version 1

Postby Dragomere » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:42 pm

Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:46 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.


We don't live in Ian Flemings cold war universe. :ugeek:
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Postby Dragomere » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:48 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Dragomere wrote:
Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.


We don't live in Ian Flemings cold war universe. :ugeek:

Who is Ian Flemings?
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Postby Costa Alegria » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:51 pm

Dragomere wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
We don't live in Ian Flemings cold war universe. :ugeek:

Who is Ian Flemings?


Ian Fleming. The creator of the James Bond universe. Also, no. This bill is wasteful and entirely beyond our technological means. And the idea is, to put it bluntly, retarded.
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Postby Dragomere » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:52 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Dragomere wrote:Who is Ian Flemings?


Ian Fleming. The creator of the James Bond universe. Also, no. This bill is wasteful and entirely beyond our technological means. And the idea is, to put it bluntly, retarded.

Actually I only ripped off the name from James Bond, it is not beyond our technology.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:52 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Given that this is illegal under international law... NO
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Postby Dragomere » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:53 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Dragomere wrote:
Project Icarus

Author: Dragomere [USLP] | Category: Safety and Order | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

Whereas, modern warfare focuses on deterrents to prevent war;

Whereas, nuclear weapons programs in one country is known about in another;

Whereas, space based weapons would be a efficient deterrent from war;

We, the Senate of Aurentina, do hereby declare the creation of Project Icarus.

Declares that Project Icarus shall be to create a series of orbiting satellites armed with weapons that propel a shell, with a tungsten rod in it, towards a target on the surface of the Earth.

Mandates that this project shall be funded $10 billion every year for a minimum of ten years.

Requires, that the system may only be activated by the President or the Minister of Defense.

Given that this is illegal under international law... NO

How is it illegal, because it technically isn't a weapon, but a "sling-shot"
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:54 pm

Costa Alegria wrote:
Dragomere wrote:Who is Ian Flemings?


Ian Fleming. The creator of the James Bond universe. Also, no. This bill is wasteful and entirely beyond our technological means. And the idea is, to put it bluntly, retarded.


That's a good word, Retarded!
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:54 pm

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Oneracon wrote:Given that this is illegal under international law... NO

How is it illegal, because it technically isn't a weapon, but a "sling-shot"


A slingshot is a weapon.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:55 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Given that this is illegal under international law... NO

How is it illegal, because it technically isn't a weapon, but a "sling-shot"


Definition of a slingshot: "A slingshot, shanghai, flip, bean shooter, or catapult (primarily British English) is a small hand-powered projectile weapon."
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Postby Dragomere » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:57 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Dragomere wrote:How is it illegal, because it technically isn't a weapon, but a "sling-shot"


Definition of a slingshot: "A slingshot, shanghai, flip, bean shooter, or catapult (primarily British English) is a small hand-powered projectile weapon."

All it would do is drop Tungsten Rods onto an enemy city.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:58 pm

Dragomere wrote:
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Definition of a slingshot: "A slingshot, shanghai, flip, bean shooter, or catapult (primarily British English) is a small hand-powered projectile weapon."

All it would do is drop Tungsten Rods onto an enemy city.


And what would be the effect of propelling shells containing tungsten rods towards the surface of the Earth from space? :eyebrow:
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:59 pm

Dragomere wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
We don't live in Ian Flemings cold war universe. :ugeek:

Who is Ian Flemings?

Writer of James Bond books. Also, this bill gets a strong NO from me, for the primary reason that space should never be weaponized.
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:12 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Dragomere wrote:Who is Ian Flemings?

Writer of James Bond books. Also, this bill gets a strong NO from me, for the primary reason that space should never be weaponized.

I still do not see why it is bad.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:15 am

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Maklohi Vai wrote:Writer of James Bond books. Also, this bill gets a strong NO from me, for the primary reason that space should never be weaponized.

I still do not see why it is bad.

Given: Peace is desirable.
1. More guns ≠ more peace.
Ergo, in order to create the most desirable situation, increasing the number of guns is a bad thing.
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Postby Dragomere » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:18 am

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Dragomere wrote:I still do not see why it is bad.

Given: Peace is desirable.
1. More guns ≠ more peace.
Ergo, in order to create the most desirable situation, increasing the number of guns is a bad thing.

If you have a weapon that is powerful, it makes it less likely that we would be invaded.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:22 am

Dragomere wrote:I still do not see why it is bad.


Because it's a waste of money on something that will never be used?

If you have a weapon that is powerful, it makes it less likely that we would be invaded.


And who would want to invade us, hmm?
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