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[Divitaen]

So you want to put the health of our nation's children at risk?

You want to put the personal freedom of our nation's people at risk?

The bill targets children of ages 0-12 years. You have to defend the personal freedom of parents to put their children's health at risk.

[The Union of the West]

You want to put the personal freedom of our nation's people at risk?

The bill targets children of ages 0-12 years. You have to defend the personal freedom of parents to put their children's health at risk.

You're violating the personal freedom of the child by requiring them to be vaccinated.

[Divitaen]

The bill targets children of ages 0-12 years. You have to defend the personal freedom of parents to put their children's health at risk.

You're violating the personal freedom of the child by requiring them to be vaccinated.

You're talking about children below the age of majority, who may reject a life-saving vaccination over reasons such as fear of needles.

[Ainin]

The bill targets children of ages 0-12 years. You have to defend the personal freedom of parents to put their children's health at risk.

You're violating the personal freedom of the child by requiring them to be vaccinated.

"In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration."
-Section 3.1, CRC

"States Parties shall ensure to the maximum extent possible the survival and development of the child."
- Section 6.2, CRC

"States Parties recognize the right of the child to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health and to facilities for the treatment of illness and rehabilitation of health. States Parties shall strive to ensure that no child is deprived of his or her right of access to such health care services."
- Section 24.1, CRC

[Belmaria]

You're violating the personal freedom of the child by requiring them to be vaccinated.

"In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration."
-Section 3.1, CRC

"States Parties shall ensure to the maximum extent possible the survival and development of the child."
- Section 6.2, CRC

"States Parties recognize the right of the child to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health and to facilities for the treatment of illness and rehabilitation of health. States Parties shall strive to ensure that no child is deprived of his or her right of access to such health care services."
- Section 24.1, CRC

Indeed. And we do not want to deprive anyone of access to our wonderful socialized medicine, but we do want to protect the freedom of our people by not forcing them to get said health care.

[Ainin]

Indeed. And we do not want to deprive anyone of access to our wonderful socialized medicine, but we do want to protect the freedom of our people by not forcing them to get said health care.

...a non-existent right, akin to the "right" to bear arms.

[The Union of the West]

Indeed. And we do not want to deprive anyone of access to our wonderful socialized medicine, but we do want to protect the freedom of our people by not forcing them to get said health care.

...a non-existent right, akin to the "right" to bear arms.

Want to know another non-existant right? The right to post things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[New Zepuha]

Indeed. And we do not want to deprive anyone of access to our wonderful socialized medicine, but we do want to protect the freedom of our people by not forcing them to get said health care.

...a non-existent right, akin to the "right" to bear arms.

This isn't about some set of laws, this is about the moral corruption our government is slipping into. Depriving people of more freedoms, will not make them any safer!

[Oneracon]

The bill targets children of ages 0-12 years. You have to defend the personal freedom of parents to put their children's health at risk.

You're violating the personal freedom of the child by requiring them to be vaccinated.

Do you know why unvaccinated children don't get sick? They are protected from deadly disease because they are surrounded by an immune population.

If there is not a large enough immune population then the unvaccinated children will be at serious risk since they may come in contact with mumps, measles, polio...

[The Union of the West]

You're violating the personal freedom of the child by requiring them to be vaccinated.

Do you know why unvaccinated children don't get sick? They are protected from deadly disease because they are surrounded by an immune population.

If there is not a large enough immune population then the unvaccinated children will be at serious risk since they may come in contact with mumps, measles, polio...

Then this bill doesn't help because it only requires children to be vaccinated.

[Divitaen]

Do you know why unvaccinated children don't get sick? They are protected from deadly disease because they are surrounded by an immune population.

If there is not a large enough immune population then the unvaccinated children will be at serious risk since they may come in contact with mumps, measles, polio...

Then this bill doesn't help because it only requires children to be vaccinated.

It does mean that children of ages 0-12 years, that are the most vulnerable to catch such diseases, those catch it when they go to school or play with other children and interact with them on a daily basis. I already mentioned in my previous posts how universal vaccination has worked in Singapore, the United Kingdom. Right now, Singapore is free from vaccinable diseases, despite only having mandatory vaccination on children, because you target the most vulnerable group. I posted a graph on the effectiveness of universal vaccination against rubella in the United States, which I won't post again so I don't clog up the thread. The point is, vaccinating children only, and not adults, has proven extremely effective in the past.

[The Union of the West]

Then this bill doesn't help because it only requires children to be vaccinated.

It does mean that children of ages 0-12 years, that are the most vulnerable to catch such diseases, those catch it when they go to school or play with other children and interact with them on a daily basis. I already mentioned in my previous posts how universal vaccination has worked in Singapore, the United Kingdom. Right now, Singapore is free from vaccinable diseases, despite only having mandatory vaccination on children, because you target the most vulnerable group. I posted a graph on the effectiveness of universal vaccination against rubella in the United States, which I won't post again so I don't clog up the thread. The point is, vaccinating children only, and not adults, has proven extremely effective in the past.

I will look at this graph. If we can somehow ensure that the vaccines are safe from certain side effects, I would be more accepting of this bill.

[Kamchastkia]

It does mean that children of ages 0-12 years, that are the most vulnerable to catch such diseases, those catch it when they go to school or play with other children and interact with them on a daily basis. I already mentioned in my previous posts how universal vaccination has worked in Singapore, the United Kingdom. Right now, Singapore is free from vaccinable diseases, despite only having mandatory vaccination on children, because you target the most vulnerable group. I posted a graph on the effectiveness of universal vaccination against rubella in the United States, which I won't post again so I don't clog up the thread. The point is, vaccinating children only, and not adults, has proven extremely effective in the past.

I will look at this graph. If we can somehow ensure that the vaccines are safe from certain side effects, I would be more accepting of this bill.

Because someone might have a headache, sore throat, or diarrhea we should let them infect the population with dangerous, viral, contagious, deadly diseases. Makes sense.

[Divitaen]

This is the graph:




Also, the bill makes provision for the side-effects of the vaccination. If the child is diagnosed to have a life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine, he need not take it. The parent is allowed to apply for exemption. The NHB Regional Authorities are in charge of making sure disposable needles are not re-used, to prevent spread of HIV/AIDS. In the United Kingdom, universal vaccination has not seen a spike in HIV/AIDS rates either.

[The Union of the West]

This is the graph:

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Also, the bill makes provision for the side-effects of the vaccination. If the child is diagnosed to have a life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine, he need not take it. The parent is allowed to apply for exemption. The NHB Regional Authorities are in charge of making sure disposable needles are not re-used, to prevent spread of HIV/AIDS. In the United Kingdom, universal vaccination has not seen a spike in HIV/AIDS rates either.

The problem is that these side effects are not necessarily caused by allergies.

[Divitaen]

This is the graph:

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Also, the bill makes provision for the side-effects of the vaccination. If the child is diagnosed to have a life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine, he need not take it. The parent is allowed to apply for exemption. The NHB Regional Authorities are in charge of making sure disposable needles are not re-used, to prevent spread of HIV/AIDS. In the United Kingdom, universal vaccination has not seen a spike in HIV/AIDS rates either.

The problem is that these side effects are not necessarily caused by allergies.

Generally, side-effects of vaccines are split into two categories. There is nothing we can do about mild side-effects, such as temporary rashes and fever, but children suffering from mild side-effects from vaccines is very rare, and is worth it considering that the alternative, being exposed to rubella or hepatitis b, is much, much worse. For severe, life-threatening side effects of vaccines, the large majority of them are caused by severe allergies. However, the best way is to use VAERS data, which tracks certain "risk factors" associated with patients who normally suffer from life-threatening reaction to vaccinations, and this is the best way to go about it. That's why under the bill, a professional doctor examines you before the vaccination, and if he finds these risk factors that make it likely that your child will undergo such a reaction, then he or she can be exempted.

[New Zepuha]

This is the graph:

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Also, the bill makes provision for the side-effects of the vaccination. If the child is diagnosed to have a life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine, he need not take it. The parent is allowed to apply for exemption. The NHB Regional Authorities are in charge of making sure disposable needles are not re-used, to prevent spread of HIV/AIDS. In the United Kingdom, universal vaccination has not seen a spike in HIV/AIDS rates either.

Figures lie, and liars figure.

[The Union of the West]

The problem is that these side effects are not necessarily caused by allergies.

Generally, side-effects of vaccines are split into two categories. There is nothing we can do about mild side-effects, such as temporary rashes and fever, but children suffering from mild side-effects from vaccines is very rare, and is worth it considering that the alternative, being exposed to rubella or hepatitis b, is much, much worse. For severe, life-threatening side effects of vaccines, the large majority of them are caused by severe allergies. However, the best way is to use VAERS data, which tracks certain "risk factors" associated with patients who normally suffer from life-threatening reaction to vaccinations, and this is the best way to go about it. That's why under the bill, a professional doctor examines you before the vaccination, and if he finds these risk factors that make it likely that your child will undergo such a reaction, then he or she can be exempted.

I suppose this bill isn't so bad. Need a sponsor?

[Divitaen]

Generally, side-effects of vaccines are split into two categories. There is nothing we can do about mild side-effects, such as temporary rashes and fever, but children suffering from mild side-effects from vaccines is very rare, and is worth it considering that the alternative, being exposed to rubella or hepatitis b, is much, much worse. For severe, life-threatening side effects of vaccines, the large majority of them are caused by severe allergies. However, the best way is to use VAERS data, which tracks certain "risk factors" associated with patients who normally suffer from life-threatening reaction to vaccinations, and this is the best way to go about it. That's why under the bill, a professional doctor examines you before the vaccination, and if he finds these risk factors that make it likely that your child will undergo such a reaction, then he or she can be exempted.

I suppose this bill isn't so bad. Need a sponsor?

I already sent it in, but thanks so much. Right now we're just debating it.

[The Union of the West]

I suppose this bill isn't so bad. Need a sponsor?

I already sent it in, but thanks so much. Right now we're just debating it.

Okay.

[Byzantium Imperial]

The bill targets children of ages 0-12 years. You have to defend the personal freedom of parents to put their children's health at risk.

You're violating the personal freedom of the child by requiring them to be vaccinated.

Your depriving my children of the right to live by not doing so. Remmeber, vaccines arnt 100% effective, so for thsoe kids who do get vaccinated but whose immune systems are off (there is no way to know this except through infection) they are needlessly killed by selfish parents such as yourself

[Next Washington]

hi there, me again,

i noticed you passed a bill founding a national bank

but obviously you don't have a president of it now (have you ever had one?), besides a very inactive minister of finance

i don't know if ainin will nominate a new mof, i'd hope so, i mean the current one is useless

I want to nominate myself for the position of President of the Aurentina National Bank
why? because i wanna bring some "economic action" in this rp, i'll supply the senate with statistical numbers, problems, solutions... so overall lots of stuff to debate and making this rp more realistic

as president i'd only, like stated in the bill, execute short-term decisions, long-term decisions will be made under the authority of the senate

"It is extremely important to maintain the value of each paper and coin tender." - i'm not really happy with this part... the economy would grow faster by increasing money supply, what lowers interest rates, what makes loans for investments become "cheaper", what leads to inflation... we should set an inflation goal of about 2-3%; the bill would only allow 0%

if you vote for me, i'll present you lots of numbers, strategies and recommendations

[New Zepuha]

hi there, me again,

i noticed you passed a bill founding a national bank

but obviously you don't have a president of it now (have you ever had one?), besides a very inactive minister of finance

i don't know if ainin will nominate a new mof, i'd hope so, i mean the current one is useless

I want to nominate myself for the position of President of the Aurentina National Bank
why? because i wanna bring some "economic action" in this rp, i'll supply the senate with statistical numbers, problems, solutions... so overall lots of stuff to debate and making this rp more realistic

as president i'd only, like stated in the bill, execute short-term decisions, long-term decisions will be made under the authority of the senate

"It is extremely important to maintain the value of each paper and coin tender." - i'm not really happy with this part... the economy would grow faster by increasing money supply, what lowers interest rates, what makes loans for investments become "cheaper", what leads to inflation... we should set an inflation goal of about 2-3%; the bill would only allow 0%

if you vote for me, i'll present you lots of numbers, strategies and recommendations

This is really a lobby thing, and I believe you need an economics degree. As well, you should write up an amendment if you are passionate about this subject.

[Next Washington]

First Amendment to the Financial Act of 2013

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Category: Business and Finance | Urgency: Paramount | Sponsors: Belmaria

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Foreword
Aurentina does currently neither have a budget, nor deposits in the National Bank to pay its liabilities, enacted by a CR, with money out of his vaults. The National Bank has not been established yet. It will be lead by a President, who can make short-term decisions, recognizing that "short-term" in financial matters means less than one year effects, on his own decisions.
To limit the President's power, this amendment creates the Governors Council, consisting of 5 Governors, and also defines how exactly the President may be impeached.

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Amendment to Article 1. D.
"The President may be impeached with a simple majority vote in the Senate o.t.A.C.."
New Article 1. E.
"A council of 5 people shall be created under the name "Governors Council of the National Bank of the Aurentine Commonwealth". This council shall consist of 5 Governors, each one appointed by the President of the Aurentine Commonwealth. Each party may send maximum one Governor into the council.
The Governors must swear their independance from their party and the Aurentine government concerning the monetary policy of the National Bank of the Aurentine Commonwealth.
The Governors must develop the short-, middle- and long-term monetary policy of the National Bank o.t.A.C. together with the President of the N.B.o.t.A.C..
The Governors can overrule short-term measurements of the President N.B.o.t.A.C. with a 3/5 vote.
Every Governor may serve infinitive times.
Every Governor is impeachable by the Senate of t.A.C. with a simple majority vote."

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Epilogue
This amendment decreases the power of the President of the N.B.o.t.A.C. and increases control and share of power by founding the Governors Council.

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This should also be posted in the coffee shop, but add me as a sponsor.

[Macedonian Grand Empire]

Considering you did not read my edit.
You are from the USA. They have multiple governors due to the fact that they are a sistem of central banks. Aurentina is not. So you can not have 6 governors.
Next about it: The chairman is also a person siting on that council and has a vote. Normaly his vote counts as two in case there is a draw in voting.
And last but not least: You let the president put them im place without a vote in the chamber of the senate. Goverment control of the bank. And not to forget you do not give any responsibility to them. So they can do as they want.