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Postby The Nihilistic view » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:25 pm

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Your replacement clause.


If I repeal the section about bodily autonomy in medical treatment, then the replacement clause does not contravene any part of the BSA, as far as I know. Although I will check again just to make sure.


I will save you the bother. We have not legislated an age of majority yet if my memory serves correct. Therefor as soon as one is born one is legally considered an adult.
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Postby Divitaen » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:26 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
If I repeal the section about bodily autonomy in medical treatment, then the replacement clause does not contravene any part of the BSA, as far as I know. Although I will check again just to make sure.


I will save you the bother. We have not legislated an age of majority yet if my memory serves correct. Therefor as soon as one is born one is legally considered an adult.


Ah, that explains why I couldn't find an age of majority when searching through the archives. Alright thanks.
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:46 am

Divitaen wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
I will save you the bother. We have not legislated an age of majority yet if my memory serves correct. Therefor as soon as one is born one is legally considered an adult.


Ah, that explains why I couldn't find an age of majority when searching through the archives. Alright thanks.

The consitution I believe declared that, and the alcohol bill did. Age of majority is 16.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:55 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
Ah, that explains why I couldn't find an age of majority when searching through the archives. Alright thanks.

The consitution I believe declared that, and the alcohol bill did. Age of majority is 16.


Just checked the Sale of Harmful Substances Act. Apparently the age of majority is 18. Thanks, this really saved me lots of trouble.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:27 am

Latest version of the Compulsory Vaccinations Act, in lieu of the comments by Nihilistic view and New Zepuha. Definitions were changed to include age of majority.

Compulsory Vaccinations Act

An Act to amend the Bodily Sovereignty Act and institute mandatory vaccinations for deadly and infectious diseases to promote the health of Aurentine children

Urgency: High | Co-Authors: Divitaen [CMP]; Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Health

Sponsors: Ainin [NDP]; NEO Rome Republic [NDP]; Byzantium Imperial [IP]


The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Recognizing the importance of vaccinations, especially for young children, to decrease the vulnerability of Aurentine citizens to infectious and deadly diseases,

Understanding that a continued proliferation of such infectious and deadly diseases would not only harm the welfare of Aurentine citizens, but place an unnecessary strain and burden upon the Aurentine healthcare system,

Desiring an immediate solution that will require Aurentine citizens to improve their biological immunity to such infectious diseases,

Hereby enacts the following bill:

    Article 1 - Definitions
  1. For the purposes of this Act, "vaccine" refers to a medical innovation prepared from a causative agent of a disease or a synthetic substitute of the pathogen that is injected into a human body for the primary purpose of stimulating the body's immune system to prepare against a possible infection by a similar pathogen in the future,
  2. For the purposes of this Act, "infectious and deadly disease" refers to a a medical illness caused by a proliferation of a harmful biological pathogen that is easily transmissible to other humans, has a high mortality rate amongst infected individuals and has an existing vaccination that has been tested and proven to increase biological immunity against infection by such a disease,
  3. For the purposes of this Act, "children" refers to Aurentine citizens between the ages of 0-12 years, as this is the age when children are the most vulnerable to infectious and deadly diseases,
  4. For the purposes of this Act, "age of majority" refers to the age at which Aurentine citizens become of physical and mental maturity, granting them legal autonomy and power of decision-making in life, which under the Sale of Harmful Substances Act has been specified as 18 years of age, although this may change depending on future relevant legislation passed by the Aurentine Senate,

    Article 2 - Bodily Sovereignty Act
  5. The Bodily Sovereignty Act hereby is amended as follows:
    1. For the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment", the term "individual" shall be replaced with "an adult older or the same age as the Aurentine age of majority";
    2. Adds the sentence "Clarifies that children under the age of majority in Aurentina may still be required by law to participate in certain medical procedures, if relevant legislation is passed in the Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth, and no Aurentine adult is allowed to prohibit a child or ward under his or her care to participate in a legally-mandatory medical procedure." to the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment";
    3. Adds a sub-clause after the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment", which consists of the sentence "Clarifies further than an Aurentine citizen above the legal age of majority may still be forced to undertake medical treatment, but only if a law passed by the Aurentine senate allows for it and the medical procedure in question can be proven to be scientifically beneficial to the health, welfare and survival of the citizen in question";

    Article 3 - Infectious and Deadly Diseases
  6. The National Health Board (NHB) Regional Authorities shall have the responsibility of compiling a Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, which falls under the relevant responsibility of "regulation of all healthcare professionals" under the Universal Healthcare Act, with a list of medical illnesses which fall under the following criteria:
    1. The disease is easily transmissible and communicable in nature;
    2. The disease causes infected individuals to suffer from a severely-high mortality rate, enough to cause significant disruption to the Aurentine healthcare services;
    3. The disease in question falls under the World Health Organization (WHO) Report on Infectious Diseases, unless it is determined to be a disease that is infectious only within the territories of the Aurentine Commonwealth compared to that in the international community;
    4. The disease has an available vaccine that is able to increase an individual's biological immunity to it;
  7. The NHB Regional Authorities are required to list the following diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases:
    1. Tuberculosis;
    2. Hepatitis B;
    3. Pneumococcal;
    4. Diphtheria;
    5. Pertussis;
    6. Tetanus;
    7. Poliovirus;
    8. Haemophilus influenzae type b;
    9. Measles;
    10. Mumps;
    11. Rubella;
    12. Human papillomavirus;
    13. Influenza;
  8. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the drafting of a recommended timetable, available for public viewing, for children of ages 0-12 years to be immunized or vaccinated against diseases listed in the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, to guide parents who wish to follow governmental guidelines for vaccination;

    Article 4 - Mandatory Vaccinations
  9. All children of ages 0-12 years, who are registered, Aurentine citizens, must receive the relevant vaccinations and immunizations against the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, by the time the child reaches 12 years of age;
  10. Clarifies that all relevant vaccinations are free-of-charge and completely paid for under the Universal Healthcare Act;
  11. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the following duties:
    1. Annually cross-referencing all children, between the ages of 0-12 years, who have received vaccinations under the Aurentine healthcare system, with the list of citizens who turn 12 years of age in that year;
    2. Ascertaining, from the aforementioned cross-referencing, the list of citizens who have not been immunized and vaccinated from the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases;
    3. Coordinating and working with relevant healthcare providers, relevant Medical Care Trusts and the Office of Medical Care and Ambulance Service Regulation (Ofmed) to compile the relevant information listed in the previous sub-clauses of this clause of this Act;
    4. Coordinating and working with relevant healthcare providers to ensure that relevant safety and hygiene standards are met in the administration of vaccinations, such as not reusing disposable needles on different patients, distributing relevant information about the vaccination timetable compiled by the NHB Regional Authorities in Article 3 of this Act, and ensuring that doctors and relevant medical professionals do not administer overdoses to unnecessarily endanger the lives of patients, to be regulated via subnational authorities such as the Medical Care Trusts;

    Article 5 - Punishments for non-compliance
  12. All parents with children of 12 years of age that have not been immunized or vaccinated from the relevant diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases are considered to be in non-compliance with this Act, and will be punished with the following a monthly fine of £80.
  13. Clarifies that the aforementioned punishments will persist when the unvaccinated child reaches 12 years of age until the child has been vaccinated for the relevant diseases or when the child reaches the age of majority, whichever comes first,
  14. Clarifies that in a case of couple that has endured a custody dispute of a child when he or she was between 0-12 years of age, the parent(s) that had legal custody of the child for the majority of his or her life when he or she was between 0-12 years of age will be held legally liable for non-compliance under this Act, and the parent who coincidentally had custody of the child when he or she turned 12 years of age will not be held in non-compliance alone,
  15. The punishment of parents in non-compliance of this Act shall be enforced via the list of unvaccinated children compiled by the NHB Regional Authorities in Article 4 of this Act, and the NHB Regional Authorities shall be responsible for coordinating, with relevant medical bodies and judicial agencies to collect the monthly fine required from such parents under this article until the unvaccinated child reaches the age of majority or is vaccinated for the required diseases, whichever comes first,
  16. States that an Aurentine citizen who has not been properly vaccinated for diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases even when he or she has officially reached the legal age of majority, he or she has the discretion to voluntarily opt for a vaccination outside of parental guidance and authority and is strongly encouraged to be vaccinated against the diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases that he or she has not been formally vaccinated against in the past,

    Article 6 - Exemptions
  17. Parents with children of ages 0-12 years, or with children from ages 12 to the Aurentine age of majority that have not been vaccinated from diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, may apply for exemption from relevant NHB Regional Authorities, and the NHB Regional Authorities will allow the exemption only if the child has a severe and life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine, or any similar life-threatening condition that would render the child's survival at high risk after being vaccinated, such as an autoimmune disease,
  18. Clarifies that the exemption can only be accepted if the child is properly diagnosed by a licensed doctor, and the diagnosis must be verified by the NHB Regional Authorities, and the exemption will only apply to the specific vaccine that the child is allergic to, meaning that the parent is still required by law to have the child vaccinated for other diseases where the child is not allergic to the respective vaccine or face the legal penalties under Article 5,
  19. The NHB Regional Authorities have the responsibility of ensuring that parents who have received exemptions are not unduly punished under Article 5 and fined for not vaccinating a child for a disease listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases for a vaccine that the child has been exempted from.
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:48 am

There needs to be a limit on how many times a child can be vaccinated in a set time. Most doctors in the US would recommend 2 weeks to see if the vaccine is not adversely affecting the patient. Also if you are going to suddenly require vaccines, you need to give a grace period on the violations, because a couple million kids won't be vaccinated in a month.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:59 am

New Zepuha wrote:There needs to be a limit on how many times a child can be vaccinated in a set time. Most doctors in the US would recommend 2 weeks to see if the vaccine is not adversely affecting the patient. Also if you are going to suddenly require vaccines, you need to give a grace period on the violations, because a couple million kids won't be vaccinated in a month.


If I'm not wrong, the bill does require NHB authorities to come up with a timetable for vaccinations, so parents attempting to abide by state regulations know what is the safest way to go about doing it. Also, the timetable is over a period of 12 years, so I think that is a sufficient enough grace period.
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:02 am

Divitaen wrote:Latest version of the Compulsory Vaccinations Act, in lieu of the comments by Nihilistic view and New Zepuha. Definitions were changed to include age of majority.

Compulsory Vaccinations Act

An Act to amend the Bodily Sovereignty Act and institute mandatory vaccinations for deadly and infectious diseases to promote the health of Aurentine children

Urgency: High | Co-Authors: Divitaen [CMP]; Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Health

Sponsors: Ainin [NDP]; NEO Rome Republic [NDP]; Byzantium Imperial [IP]


The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Recognizing the importance of vaccinations, especially for young children, to decrease the vulnerability of Aurentine citizens to infectious and deadly diseases,

Understanding that a continued proliferation of such infectious and deadly diseases would not only harm the welfare of Aurentine citizens, but place an unnecessary strain and burden upon the Aurentine healthcare system,

Desiring an immediate solution that will require Aurentine citizens to improve their biological immunity to such infectious diseases,

Hereby enacts the following bill:

    Article 1 - Definitions
  1. For the purposes of this Act, "vaccine" refers to a medical innovation prepared from a causative agent of a disease or a synthetic substitute of the pathogen that is injected into a human body for the primary purpose of stimulating the body's immune system to prepare against a possible infection by a similar pathogen in the future,
  2. For the purposes of this Act, "infectious and deadly disease" refers to a a medical illness caused by a proliferation of a harmful biological pathogen that is easily transmissible to other humans, has a high mortality rate amongst infected individuals and has an existing vaccination that has been tested and proven to increase biological immunity against infection by such a disease,
  3. For the purposes of this Act, "children" refers to Aurentine citizens between the ages of 0-12 years, as this is the age when children are the most vulnerable to infectious and deadly diseases,
  4. For the purposes of this Act, "age of majority" refers to the age at which Aurentine citizens become of physical and mental maturity, granting them legal autonomy and power of decision-making in life, which under the Sale of Harmful Substances Act has been specified as 18 years of age, although this may change depending on future relevant legislation passed by the Aurentine Senate,

    Article 2 - Bodily Sovereignty Act
  5. The Bodily Sovereignty Act hereby is amended as follows:
    1. For the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment", the term "individual" shall be replaced with "an adult older or the same age as the Aurentine age of majority";
    2. Adds the sentence "Clarifies that children under the age of majority in Aurentina may still be required by law to participate in certain medical procedures, if relevant legislation is passed in the Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth, and no Aurentine adult is allowed to prohibit a child or ward under his or her care to participate in a legally-mandatory medical procedure." to the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment";

    Article 3 - Infectious and Deadly Diseases
  6. The National Health Board (NHB) Regional Authorities shall have the responsibility of compiling a Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, which falls under the relevant responsibility of "regulation of all healthcare professionals" under the Universal Healthcare Act, with a list of medical illnesses which fall under the following criteria:
    1. The disease is easily transmissible and communicable in nature;
    2. The disease causes infected individuals to suffer from a severely-high mortality rate, enough to cause significant disruption to the Aurentine healthcare services;
    3. The disease in question falls under the World Health Organization (WHO) Report on Infectious Diseases, unless it is determined to be a disease that is infectious only within the territories of the Aurentine Commonwealth compared to that in the international community;
    4. The disease has an available vaccine that is able to increase an individual's biological immunity to it;
  7. The NHB Regional Authorities are required to list the following diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases:
    1. Tuberculosis;
    2. Hepatitis B;
    3. Pneumococcal;
    4. Diphtheria;
    5. Pertussis;
    6. Tetanus;
    7. Poliovirus;
    8. Haemophilus influenzae type b;
    9. Measles;
    10. Mumps;
    11. Rubella;
    12. Human papillomavirus;
    13. Influenza;
  8. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the drafting of a recommended timetable, available for public viewing, for children of ages 0-12 years to be immunized or vaccinated against diseases listed in the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, to guide parents who wish to follow governmental guidelines for vaccination;

    Article 4 - Mandatory Vaccinations
  9. All children of ages 0-12 years, who are registered, Aurentine citizens, must receive the relevant vaccinations and immunizations against the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, by the time the child reaches 12 years of age;
  10. Clarifies that all relevant vaccinations are free-of-charge and completely paid for under the Universal Healthcare Act;
  11. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the following duties:
    1. Annually cross-referencing all children, between the ages of 0-12 years, who have received vaccinations under the Aurentine healthcare system, with the list of citizens who turn 12 years of age in that year;
    2. Ascertaining, from the aforementioned cross-referencing, the list of citizens who have not been immunized and vaccinated from the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases;
    3. Coordinating and working with relevant healthcare providers, relevant Medical Care Trusts and the Office of Medical Care and Ambulance Service Regulation (Ofmed) to compile the relevant information listed in the previous sub-clauses of this clause of this Act;

    Article 5 - Punishments for non-compliance
  12. All parents with children of 12 years of age that have not been immunized or vaccinated from the relevant diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases are considered to be in non-compliance with this Act, and will be punished with the following a monthly fine of £80.
  13. Clarifies that the aforementioned punishments will persist when the unvaccinated child reaches 12 years of age until the child has been vaccinated for the relevant diseases or when the child reaches the age of majority, whichever comes first,
  14. Clarifies that in a case of couple that has endured a custody dispute of a child when he or she was between 0-12 years of age, the parent(s) that had legal custody of the child for the majority of his or her life when he or she was between 0-12 years of age will be held legally liable for non-compliance under this Act, and the parent who coincidentally had custody of the child when he or she turned 12 years of age will not be held in non-compliance alone,
  15. The punishment of parents in non-compliance of this Act shall be enforced via the list of unvaccinated children compiled by the NHB Regional Authorities in Article 4 of this Act, and the NHB Regional Authorities shall be responsible for coordinating, with relevant medical bodies and judicial agencies to collect the monthly fine required from such parents under this article until the unvaccinated child reaches the age of majority or is vaccinated for the required diseases, whichever comes first,

    Article 6 - Exemptions
  16. Parents with children of ages 0-12 years, or with children from ages 12 to the Aurentine age of majority that have not been vaccinated from diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, may apply for exemption from relevant NHB Regional Authorities, and the NHB Regional Authorities will allow the exemption only if the child has a severe and life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine,
  17. Clarifies that the exemption can only be accepted if the child is properly diagnosed by a licensed doctor, and the diagnosis must be verified by the NHB Regional Authorities, and the exemption will only apply to the specific vaccine that the child is allergic to, meaning that the parent is still required by law to have the child vaccinated for other diseases where the child is not allergic to the respective vaccine or face the legal penalties under Article 5,
  18. The NHB Regional Authorities have the responsibility of ensuring that parents who have received exemptions are not unduly punished under Article 5 and fined for not vaccinating a child for a disease listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases for a vaccine that the child has been exempted from.

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Postby Divitaen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:10 am

Belmaria wrote:
Divitaen wrote:Latest version of the Compulsory Vaccinations Act, in lieu of the comments by Nihilistic view and New Zepuha. Definitions were changed to include age of majority.

Compulsory Vaccinations Act

An Act to amend the Bodily Sovereignty Act and institute mandatory vaccinations for deadly and infectious diseases to promote the health of Aurentine children

Urgency: High | Co-Authors: Divitaen [CMP]; Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Health

Sponsors: Ainin [NDP]; NEO Rome Republic [NDP]; Byzantium Imperial [IP]


The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Recognizing the importance of vaccinations, especially for young children, to decrease the vulnerability of Aurentine citizens to infectious and deadly diseases,

Understanding that a continued proliferation of such infectious and deadly diseases would not only harm the welfare of Aurentine citizens, but place an unnecessary strain and burden upon the Aurentine healthcare system,

Desiring an immediate solution that will require Aurentine citizens to improve their biological immunity to such infectious diseases,

Hereby enacts the following bill:

    Article 1 - Definitions
  1. For the purposes of this Act, "vaccine" refers to a medical innovation prepared from a causative agent of a disease or a synthetic substitute of the pathogen that is injected into a human body for the primary purpose of stimulating the body's immune system to prepare against a possible infection by a similar pathogen in the future,
  2. For the purposes of this Act, "infectious and deadly disease" refers to a a medical illness caused by a proliferation of a harmful biological pathogen that is easily transmissible to other humans, has a high mortality rate amongst infected individuals and has an existing vaccination that has been tested and proven to increase biological immunity against infection by such a disease,
  3. For the purposes of this Act, "children" refers to Aurentine citizens between the ages of 0-12 years, as this is the age when children are the most vulnerable to infectious and deadly diseases,
  4. For the purposes of this Act, "age of majority" refers to the age at which Aurentine citizens become of physical and mental maturity, granting them legal autonomy and power of decision-making in life, which under the Sale of Harmful Substances Act has been specified as 18 years of age, although this may change depending on future relevant legislation passed by the Aurentine Senate,

    Article 2 - Bodily Sovereignty Act
  5. The Bodily Sovereignty Act hereby is amended as follows:
    1. For the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment", the term "individual" shall be replaced with "an adult older or the same age as the Aurentine age of majority";
    2. Adds the sentence "Clarifies that children under the age of majority in Aurentina may still be required by law to participate in certain medical procedures, if relevant legislation is passed in the Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth, and no Aurentine adult is allowed to prohibit a child or ward under his or her care to participate in a legally-mandatory medical procedure." to the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment";

    Article 3 - Infectious and Deadly Diseases
  6. The National Health Board (NHB) Regional Authorities shall have the responsibility of compiling a Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, which falls under the relevant responsibility of "regulation of all healthcare professionals" under the Universal Healthcare Act, with a list of medical illnesses which fall under the following criteria:
    1. The disease is easily transmissible and communicable in nature;
    2. The disease causes infected individuals to suffer from a severely-high mortality rate, enough to cause significant disruption to the Aurentine healthcare services;
    3. The disease in question falls under the World Health Organization (WHO) Report on Infectious Diseases, unless it is determined to be a disease that is infectious only within the territories of the Aurentine Commonwealth compared to that in the international community;
    4. The disease has an available vaccine that is able to increase an individual's biological immunity to it;
  7. The NHB Regional Authorities are required to list the following diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases:
    1. Tuberculosis;
    2. Hepatitis B;
    3. Pneumococcal;
    4. Diphtheria;
    5. Pertussis;
    6. Tetanus;
    7. Poliovirus;
    8. Haemophilus influenzae type b;
    9. Measles;
    10. Mumps;
    11. Rubella;
    12. Human papillomavirus;
    13. Influenza;
  8. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the drafting of a recommended timetable, available for public viewing, for children of ages 0-12 years to be immunized or vaccinated against diseases listed in the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, to guide parents who wish to follow governmental guidelines for vaccination;

    Article 4 - Mandatory Vaccinations
  9. All children of ages 0-12 years, who are registered, Aurentine citizens, must receive the relevant vaccinations and immunizations against the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, by the time the child reaches 12 years of age;
  10. Clarifies that all relevant vaccinations are free-of-charge and completely paid for under the Universal Healthcare Act;
  11. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the following duties:
    1. Annually cross-referencing all children, between the ages of 0-12 years, who have received vaccinations under the Aurentine healthcare system, with the list of citizens who turn 12 years of age in that year;
    2. Ascertaining, from the aforementioned cross-referencing, the list of citizens who have not been immunized and vaccinated from the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases;
    3. Coordinating and working with relevant healthcare providers, relevant Medical Care Trusts and the Office of Medical Care and Ambulance Service Regulation (Ofmed) to compile the relevant information listed in the previous sub-clauses of this clause of this Act;

    Article 5 - Punishments for non-compliance
  12. All parents with children of 12 years of age that have not been immunized or vaccinated from the relevant diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases are considered to be in non-compliance with this Act, and will be punished with the following a monthly fine of £80.
  13. Clarifies that the aforementioned punishments will persist when the unvaccinated child reaches 12 years of age until the child has been vaccinated for the relevant diseases or when the child reaches the age of majority, whichever comes first,
  14. Clarifies that in a case of couple that has endured a custody dispute of a child when he or she was between 0-12 years of age, the parent(s) that had legal custody of the child for the majority of his or her life when he or she was between 0-12 years of age will be held legally liable for non-compliance under this Act, and the parent who coincidentally had custody of the child when he or she turned 12 years of age will not be held in non-compliance alone,
  15. The punishment of parents in non-compliance of this Act shall be enforced via the list of unvaccinated children compiled by the NHB Regional Authorities in Article 4 of this Act, and the NHB Regional Authorities shall be responsible for coordinating, with relevant medical bodies and judicial agencies to collect the monthly fine required from such parents under this article until the unvaccinated child reaches the age of majority or is vaccinated for the required diseases, whichever comes first,

    Article 6 - Exemptions
  16. Parents with children of ages 0-12 years, or with children from ages 12 to the Aurentine age of majority that have not been vaccinated from diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, may apply for exemption from relevant NHB Regional Authorities, and the NHB Regional Authorities will allow the exemption only if the child has a severe and life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine,
  17. Clarifies that the exemption can only be accepted if the child is properly diagnosed by a licensed doctor, and the diagnosis must be verified by the NHB Regional Authorities, and the exemption will only apply to the specific vaccine that the child is allergic to, meaning that the parent is still required by law to have the child vaccinated for other diseases where the child is not allergic to the respective vaccine or face the legal penalties under Article 5,
  18. The NHB Regional Authorities have the responsibility of ensuring that parents who have received exemptions are not unduly punished under Article 5 and fined for not vaccinating a child for a disease listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases for a vaccine that the child has been exempted from.

No. No. No. No. Go away. Go away. Go away. Kill it with fire.


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Divitaen wrote:Latest version of the Compulsory Vaccinations Act, in lieu of the comments by Nihilistic view and New Zepuha. Definitions were changed to include age of majority.

Compulsory Vaccinations Act

An Act to amend the Bodily Sovereignty Act and institute mandatory vaccinations for deadly and infectious diseases to promote the health of Aurentine children

Urgency: High | Co-Authors: Divitaen [CMP]; Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Health

Sponsors: Ainin [NDP]; NEO Rome Republic [NDP]; Byzantium Imperial [IP]


The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Recognizing the importance of vaccinations, especially for young children, to decrease the vulnerability of Aurentine citizens to infectious and deadly diseases,

Understanding that a continued proliferation of such infectious and deadly diseases would not only harm the welfare of Aurentine citizens, but place an unnecessary strain and burden upon the Aurentine healthcare system,

Desiring an immediate solution that will require Aurentine citizens to improve their biological immunity to such infectious diseases,

Hereby enacts the following bill:

    Article 1 - Definitions
  1. For the purposes of this Act, "vaccine" refers to a medical innovation prepared from a causative agent of a disease or a synthetic substitute of the pathogen that is injected into a human body for the primary purpose of stimulating the body's immune system to prepare against a possible infection by a similar pathogen in the future,
  2. For the purposes of this Act, "infectious and deadly disease" refers to a a medical illness caused by a proliferation of a harmful biological pathogen that is easily transmissible to other humans, has a high mortality rate amongst infected individuals and has an existing vaccination that has been tested and proven to increase biological immunity against infection by such a disease,
  3. For the purposes of this Act, "children" refers to Aurentine citizens between the ages of 0-12 years, as this is the age when children are the most vulnerable to infectious and deadly diseases,
  4. For the purposes of this Act, "age of majority" refers to the age at which Aurentine citizens become of physical and mental maturity, granting them legal autonomy and power of decision-making in life, which under the Sale of Harmful Substances Act has been specified as 18 years of age, although this may change depending on future relevant legislation passed by the Aurentine Senate,

    Article 2 - Bodily Sovereignty Act
  5. The Bodily Sovereignty Act hereby is amended as follows:
    1. For the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment", the term "individual" shall be replaced with "an adult older or the same age as the Aurentine age of majority";
    2. Adds the sentence "Clarifies that children under the age of majority in Aurentina may still be required by law to participate in certain medical procedures, if relevant legislation is passed in the Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth, and no Aurentine adult is allowed to prohibit a child or ward under his or her care to participate in a legally-mandatory medical procedure." to the sub-clause entitled "medical treatment";

    Article 3 - Infectious and Deadly Diseases
  6. The National Health Board (NHB) Regional Authorities shall have the responsibility of compiling a Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, which falls under the relevant responsibility of "regulation of all healthcare professionals" under the Universal Healthcare Act, with a list of medical illnesses which fall under the following criteria:
    1. The disease is easily transmissible and communicable in nature;
    2. The disease causes infected individuals to suffer from a severely-high mortality rate, enough to cause significant disruption to the Aurentine healthcare services;
    3. The disease in question falls under the World Health Organization (WHO) Report on Infectious Diseases, unless it is determined to be a disease that is infectious only within the territories of the Aurentine Commonwealth compared to that in the international community;
    4. The disease has an available vaccine that is able to increase an individual's biological immunity to it;
  7. The NHB Regional Authorities are required to list the following diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases:
    1. Tuberculosis;
    2. Hepatitis B;
    3. Pneumococcal;
    4. Diphtheria;
    5. Pertussis;
    6. Tetanus;
    7. Poliovirus;
    8. Haemophilus influenzae type b;
    9. Measles;
    10. Mumps;
    11. Rubella;
    12. Human papillomavirus;
    13. Influenza;
  8. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the drafting of a recommended timetable, available for public viewing, for children of ages 0-12 years to be immunized or vaccinated against diseases listed in the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, to guide parents who wish to follow governmental guidelines for vaccination;

    Article 4 - Mandatory Vaccinations
  9. All children of ages 0-12 years, who are registered, Aurentine citizens, must receive the relevant vaccinations and immunizations against the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, by the time the child reaches 12 years of age;
  10. Clarifies that all relevant vaccinations are free-of-charge and completely paid for under the Universal Healthcare Act;
  11. The NHB Regional Authorities are hereby responsible for the following duties:
    1. Annually cross-referencing all children, between the ages of 0-12 years, who have received vaccinations under the Aurentine healthcare system, with the list of citizens who turn 12 years of age in that year;
    2. Ascertaining, from the aforementioned cross-referencing, the list of citizens who have not been immunized and vaccinated from the diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases;
    3. Coordinating and working with relevant healthcare providers, relevant Medical Care Trusts and the Office of Medical Care and Ambulance Service Regulation (Ofmed) to compile the relevant information listed in the previous sub-clauses of this clause of this Act;

    Article 5 - Punishments for non-compliance
  12. All parents with children of 12 years of age that have not been immunized or vaccinated from the relevant diseases listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases are considered to be in non-compliance with this Act, and will be punished with the following a monthly fine of £80.
  13. Clarifies that the aforementioned punishments will persist when the unvaccinated child reaches 12 years of age until the child has been vaccinated for the relevant diseases or when the child reaches the age of majority, whichever comes first,
  14. Clarifies that in a case of couple that has endured a custody dispute of a child when he or she was between 0-12 years of age, the parent(s) that had legal custody of the child for the majority of his or her life when he or she was between 0-12 years of age will be held legally liable for non-compliance under this Act, and the parent who coincidentally had custody of the child when he or she turned 12 years of age will not be held in non-compliance alone,
  15. The punishment of parents in non-compliance of this Act shall be enforced via the list of unvaccinated children compiled by the NHB Regional Authorities in Article 4 of this Act, and the NHB Regional Authorities shall be responsible for coordinating, with relevant medical bodies and judicial agencies to collect the monthly fine required from such parents under this article until the unvaccinated child reaches the age of majority or is vaccinated for the required diseases, whichever comes first,

    Article 6 - Exemptions
  16. Parents with children of ages 0-12 years, or with children from ages 12 to the Aurentine age of majority that have not been vaccinated from diseases under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases, may apply for exemption from relevant NHB Regional Authorities, and the NHB Regional Authorities will allow the exemption only if the child has a severe and life-threatening allergic reaction to components of the vaccine,
  17. Clarifies that the exemption can only be accepted if the child is properly diagnosed by a licensed doctor, and the diagnosis must be verified by the NHB Regional Authorities, and the exemption will only apply to the specific vaccine that the child is allergic to, meaning that the parent is still required by law to have the child vaccinated for other diseases where the child is not allergic to the respective vaccine or face the legal penalties under Article 5,
  18. The NHB Regional Authorities have the responsibility of ensuring that parents who have received exemptions are not unduly punished under Article 5 and fined for not vaccinating a child for a disease listed under the Registry of Vaccinable Diseases for a vaccine that the child has been exempted from.

No. No. No. No. Go away. Go away. Go away. Kill it with fire.

He has enough sponsors to pass it into the Senate for voting, so :p.
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:19 am

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New Zepuha wrote:There needs to be a limit on how many times a child can be vaccinated in a set time. Most doctors in the US would recommend 2 weeks to see if the vaccine is not adversely affecting the patient. Also if you are going to suddenly require vaccines, you need to give a grace period on the violations, because a couple million kids won't be vaccinated in a month.


If I'm not wrong, the bill does have require NHB authorities to come up with a timetable for vaccinations, so parents attempting to abide by state regulations know what is the safest way to go about doing it. Also, the timetable is over a period of 12 years, so I think that is a sufficient enough grace period.

Well if someone receives too many vaccines it's on you.

Also, to those who say it can pass. He has enough sponsors, but that doesn't mean he has enough to pass the Senate.
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:19 am

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Belmaria wrote:No. No. No. No. Go away. Go away. Go away. Kill it with fire.


Um, senator, not quite sure I comprehend the emotional response and the phrasal repetition.

And I don't understand why you want to arbitrarily force your stance on vaccinations upon our people. I want to be clear that I do not oppose vaccinations, but I also do not want to force people to get vaccinated if they do not want to.
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:23 am

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Um, senator, not quite sure I comprehend the emotional response and the phrasal repetition.

And I don't understand why you want to arbitrarily force your stance on vaccinations upon our people. I want to be clear that I do not oppose vaccinations, but I also do not want to force people to get vaccinated if they do not want to.

My point exactly.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:24 am

Belmaria wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
Um, senator, not quite sure I comprehend the emotional response and the phrasal repetition.

And I don't understand why you want to arbitrarily force your stance on vaccinations upon our people. I want to be clear that I do not oppose vaccinations, but I also do not want to force people to get vaccinated if they do not want to.


Because the policy has a very strong track record of success in reducing the spread of easily-transmissible diseases and reducing the strain on national healthcare budgets. In Singapore, the nation is free of all vaccinable diseases. In Europe, smallpox got wiped out after 1 in 7 children suffered and died from smallpox. And in the United States, universal vaccination against rubella saw an unprecedented decrease in transmission numbers. This is why I want to 'arbitrarily force' my desire to protect the lives of Aurentine children upon our people.

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Postby Divitaen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:25 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
If I'm not wrong, the bill does have require NHB authorities to come up with a timetable for vaccinations, so parents attempting to abide by state regulations know what is the safest way to go about doing it. Also, the timetable is over a period of 12 years, so I think that is a sufficient enough grace period.

Well if someone receives too many vaccines it's on you.

Also, to those who say it can pass. He has enough sponsors, but that doesn't mean he has enough to pass the Senate.


I hear you. I'll add it to responsibilities of NHB Regional Authorities.
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:33 am

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New Zepuha wrote:Well if someone receives too many vaccines it's on you.

Also, to those who say it can pass. He has enough sponsors, but that doesn't mean he has enough to pass the Senate.


I hear you. I'll add it to responsibilities of NHB Regional Authorities.

And what about people with a phobia of needles? What about people who won't have a life-threatening allergic reaction but will still have some type of reaction? What happens if there are no vaccines for these people to take and they get fined for something that was out of their control? What happens if they are unable to get vaccinated due to long lines at the doctor's office or due to their inability to make an appointment? There are too many factors to consider for central planning to work in most cases, and this is one of those cases, as I'm sure these issues are only the tip of the ice berg.
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Postby Divitaen » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:38 am

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I hear you. I'll add it to responsibilities of NHB Regional Authorities.

And what about people with a phobia of needles? What about people who won't have a life-threatening allergic reaction but will still have some type of reaction? What happens if there are no vaccines for these people to take and they get fined for something that was out of their control? What happens if they are unable to get vaccinated due to long lines at the doctor's office or due to their inability to make an appointment? There are too many factors to consider for central planning to work in most cases, and this is one of those cases, as I'm sure these issues are only the tip of the ice berg.


Phobia of needles is not a reason to reject a immunization against a life-threatening, easily-transmissible disease. Universal healthcare can be inefficient, which is why I voted against the Universal Healthcare Act, but that being said, to be fair, the parents have 12 full years to get the child vaccinated, and in most countries, subnational medical groups do it in classrooms during lesson time for better coordination. I'm leaving that to relevant ofmed and NHB Regional Authorities, but the point is it isn't difficult to get the kid vaccinated with this much time and that much ability to speed the process by working through the education system. You mention "some type of reaction", which is why the bill specifies that if you may develop a life-threatening autoimmune disease or suffer from similar conditions, you can get an exemption from the vaccinations.
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Senatorial Committee Act

Category: Senatorial Procedures | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:



Foreword
Being in the senate for some time now, I recognized that our core process, legislation, is often inefficient. I mean that there are many laws proposed by one party and then approved by the same; and often the other parties, their comments and ideas are forgotten.
Therefore I propose founding special commitees for every law category, consisting of representants of all parties, official and unofficial, and everyone who has an idea for a law should be able to inform a committee and this committee shall draft a bill. Also each Minister shall find a place in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


I.Definitions:
a. In the following, “Committee” shall be defined as:
i. Legislative: As a group of Senators, of those each Senator represents one party of Aurentina. This law does not divide between official and unofficial parties. Not every party has to be represented in the Committee when it wishes not to be so.
ii. Physical: As a separate topic in the forum.
b. In the following, “idea” and “proposal” are defined as inputs given by an individual Senator to the Committee in form of a uncompleted bill or in form of a note explaining the content, reason, effect and relevance to the well-being of the Aurentine Commonwealth.

II. There shall be the following committees:
a. Committee on Health
b. Committee on International Relations
c. Committee on Order
d. Committee on Miscellaneous Topics
e. Committee on Business and Finance
f. Committee on Environment and Energy
g. Committee on Domestic and Development
h. Committee on Senatorial Procedures
i. Committee on Budget
j. Committee on Constitution

III. To the Senators:
a. Every Senator can be a member of one or more Committee(s).
b. Every Senator can request help from a Committee, inform the Committee about his law idea and expect the Committee to deal with the idea.
c. Every Senator can request additional help from a Committee if he drafts his own bill.
d. Committee members are not elected but sent to the Committee by their party.

IV. To the Committees:
a. Every Committee shall have a Chairman, whose duties and rights are the following:
i. Moderate the discussion between the Committee members.
ii. Make sure every idea brought to the Committee is reviewed.
iii. Set limits concerning time, number of ideas in the queue or frequency of Senatorial requests according to the workload of the Committee.
iv. The Chairman is responsible for the end product (in form of a complete bill).
b. Every Committee must, in the case of a request for help concerning the drafting, writing and checking a proposed idea or bill for possible conflicts with existing laws, work through the following procedure:
i. A Senator request help or information.
ii. The Chairman must give the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.) information about details that are relevant for the time when his idea is dealt with.
iii. When no other proposal is in the queue, the Chairman must provide the Committee members will all information he received from the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.).
iv. The Committee shall now discuss the information given, do the required research and draft a bill or, in case an incomplete bill was presented to them, complete the bill.
c. The Committees and their shall be listed in the FAQ thread, in each Senate Chamber as well as in the Coffee Shop thread.

V. Governmental Control
a. Every Committee shall be watched by the executive government of Aurentina; though its independence shall not be threatened.
b. Every Committee member shall be impeachable by the Senate with a 2/3 majority vote.
c. Every Minister can participate in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


Epilogue
By this step, it is made possible that fewer voices are heared in this legislative process, but the ones that are raised are representing all parties of Aurentina. This (pre-)legislative process shall thereby be made easier, more efficient and more satisfying for the Senate and the people of Aurentina. NO, this process shall not be made exclusive for those committees, as Senators still can propose and draft their own composed laws.
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Senatorial Committee Act

Category: Senatorial Procedures | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:



Foreword
Being in the senate for some time now, I recognized that our core process, legislation, is often inefficient. I mean that there are many laws proposed by one party and then approved by the same; and often the other parties, their comments and ideas are forgotten.
Therefore I propose founding special commitees for every law category, consisting of representants of all parties, official and unofficial, and everyone who has an idea for a law should be able to inform a committee and this committee shall draft a bill. Also each Minister shall find a place in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


I.Definitions:
a. In the following, “Committee” shall be defined as:
i. Legislative: As a group of Senators, of those each Senator represents one party of Aurentina. This law does not divide between official and unofficial parties. Not every party has to be represented in the Committee when it wishes not to be so.
ii. Physical: As a separate topic in the forum.
b. In the following, “idea” and “proposal” are defined as inputs given by an individual Senator to the Committee in form of a uncompleted bill or in form of a note explaining the content, reason, effect and relevance to the well-being of the Aurentine Commonwealth.

II. There shall be the following committees:
a. Committee on Health
b. Committee on International Relations
c. Committee on Order
d. Committee on Miscellaneous Topics
e. Committee on Business and Finance
f. Committee on Environment and Energy
g. Committee on Domestic and Development
h. Committee on Senatorial Procedures
i. Committee on Budget
j. Committee on Constitution

III. To the Senators:
a. Every Senator can be a member of one or more Committee(s).
b. Every Senator can request help from a Committee, inform the Committee about his law idea and expect the Committee to deal with the idea.
c. Every Senator can request additional help from a Committee if he drafts his own bill.
d. Committee members are not elected but sent to the Committee by their party.

IV. To the Committees:
a. Every Committee shall have a Chairman, whose duties and rights are the following:
i. Moderate the discussion between the Committee members.
ii. Make sure every idea brought to the Committee is reviewed.
iii. Set limits concerning time, number of ideas in the queue or frequency of Senatorial requests according to the workload of the Committee.
iv. The Chairman is responsible for the end product (in form of a complete bill).
b. Every Committee must, in the case of a request for help concerning the drafting, writing and checking a proposed idea or bill for possible conflicts with existing laws, work through the following procedure:
i. A Senator request help or information.
ii. The Chairman must give the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.) information about details that are relevant for the time when his idea is dealt with.
iii. When no other proposal is in the queue, the Chairman must provide the Committee members will all information he received from the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.).
iv. The Committee shall now discuss the information given, do the required research and draft a bill or, in case an incomplete bill was presented to them, complete the bill.
c. The Committees and their shall be listed in the FAQ thread, in each Senate Chamber as well as in the Coffee Shop thread.

V. Governmental Control
a. Every Committee shall be watched by the executive government of Aurentina; though its independence shall not be threatened.
b. Every Committee member shall be impeachable by the Senate with a 2/3 majority vote.
c. Every Minister can participate in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


Epilogue
By this step, it is made possible that fewer voices are heared in this legislative process, but the ones that are raised are representing all parties of Aurentina. This (pre-)legislative process shall thereby be made easier, more efficient and more satisfying for the Senate and the people of Aurentina. NO, this process shall not be made exclusive for those committees, as Senators still can propose and draft their own composed laws.

No, this bill is wholly un-needed.Ministers can already create committees and they are in charge of how it is run.
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Foreword
Being in the senate for some time now, I recognized that our core process, legislation, is often inefficient. I mean that there are many laws proposed by one party and then approved by the same; and often the other parties, their comments and ideas are forgotten.
Therefore I propose founding special commitees for every law category, consisting of representants of all parties, official and unofficial, and everyone who has an idea for a law should be able to inform a committee and this committee shall draft a bill. Also each Minister shall find a place in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


I.Definitions:
a. In the following, “Committee” shall be defined as:
i. Legislative: As a group of Senators, of those each Senator represents one party of Aurentina. This law does not divide between official and unofficial parties. Not every party has to be represented in the Committee when it wishes not to be so.
ii. Physical: As a separate topic in the forum.
b. In the following, “idea” and “proposal” are defined as inputs given by an individual Senator to the Committee in form of a uncompleted bill or in form of a note explaining the content, reason, effect and relevance to the well-being of the Aurentine Commonwealth.

II. There shall be the following committees:
a. Committee on Health
b. Committee on International Relations
c. Committee on Order
d. Committee on Miscellaneous Topics
e. Committee on Business and Finance
f. Committee on Environment and Energy
g. Committee on Domestic and Development
h. Committee on Senatorial Procedures
i. Committee on Budget
j. Committee on Constitution

III. To the Senators:
a. Every Senator can be a member of one or more Committee(s).
b. Every Senator can request help from a Committee, inform the Committee about his law idea and expect the Committee to deal with the idea.
c. Every Senator can request additional help from a Committee if he drafts his own bill.
d. Committee members are not elected but sent to the Committee by their party.

IV. To the Committees:
a. Every Committee shall have a Chairman, whose duties and rights are the following:
i. Moderate the discussion between the Committee members.
ii. Make sure every idea brought to the Committee is reviewed.
iii. Set limits concerning time, number of ideas in the queue or frequency of Senatorial requests according to the workload of the Committee.
iv. The Chairman is responsible for the end product (in form of a complete bill).
b. Every Committee must, in the case of a request for help concerning the drafting, writing and checking a proposed idea or bill for possible conflicts with existing laws, work through the following procedure:
i. A Senator request help or information.
ii. The Chairman must give the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.) information about details that are relevant for the time when his idea is dealt with.
iii. When no other proposal is in the queue, the Chairman must provide the Committee members will all information he received from the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.).
iv. The Committee shall now discuss the information given, do the required research and draft a bill or, in case an incomplete bill was presented to them, complete the bill.
c. The Committees and their shall be listed in the FAQ thread, in each Senate Chamber as well as in the Coffee Shop thread.

V. Governmental Control
a. Every Committee shall be watched by the executive government of Aurentina; though its independence shall not be threatened.
b. Every Committee member shall be impeachable by the Senate with a 2/3 majority vote.
c. Every Minister can participate in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


Epilogue
By this step, it is made possible that fewer voices are heared in this legislative process, but the ones that are raised are representing all parties of Aurentina. This (pre-)legislative process shall thereby be made easier, more efficient and more satisfying for the Senate and the people of Aurentina. NO, this process shall not be made exclusive for those committees, as Senators still can propose and draft their own composed laws.

No, this bill is wholly un-needed.Ministers can already create committees and they are in charge of how it is run.


ok.. is there one committee you can show me?

this bill's intention is not to create separate committees from the ministries, but to make legislation in general more efficient
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:12 am

Next Washington wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:No, this bill is wholly un-needed.Ministers can already create committees and they are in charge of how it is run.


ok.. is there one committee you can show me?

this bill's intention is not to create separate committees from the ministries, but to make legislation in general more efficient

It is up the the minister whether he forms one or not. The point of the committee is only to advise the Minister and help him in policy issues. This really wouldn't make legislation more efficient, only add another layer of bureaucracy.
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Postby Next Washington » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:16 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
ok.. is there one committee you can show me?

this bill's intention is not to create separate committees from the ministries, but to make legislation in general more efficient

It is up the the minister whether he forms one or not. The point of the committee is only to advise the Minister and help him in policy issues. This really wouldn't make legislation more efficient, only add another layer of bureaucracy.


it would not add another layer, as no one is forced to participate in the committees neither to requests their help

and no, this sort of committee (my proposal) would help the senators, primarily, together with the minister

it's maybe the wrong word, but i want this to be sort of a help group... i mean there are many senators among the >780 who don'T participate in drafting bills, by implementing those committees more would participate as it'd be easier
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Postby Belmaria » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:17 am

New Zepuha wrote:
Next Washington wrote:oh, i'm full of ideas... :roll:
as ever, pleaes comment...

Senatorial Committee Act

Category: Senatorial Procedures | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:



Foreword
Being in the senate for some time now, I recognized that our core process, legislation, is often inefficient. I mean that there are many laws proposed by one party and then approved by the same; and often the other parties, their comments and ideas are forgotten.
Therefore I propose founding special commitees for every law category, consisting of representants of all parties, official and unofficial, and everyone who has an idea for a law should be able to inform a committee and this committee shall draft a bill. Also each Minister shall find a place in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


I.Definitions:
a. In the following, “Committee” shall be defined as:
i. Legislative: As a group of Senators, of those each Senator represents one party of Aurentina. This law does not divide between official and unofficial parties. Not every party has to be represented in the Committee when it wishes not to be so.
ii. Physical: As a separate topic in the forum.
b. In the following, “idea” and “proposal” are defined as inputs given by an individual Senator to the Committee in form of a uncompleted bill or in form of a note explaining the content, reason, effect and relevance to the well-being of the Aurentine Commonwealth.

II. There shall be the following committees:
a. Committee on Health
b. Committee on International Relations
c. Committee on Order
d. Committee on Miscellaneous Topics
e. Committee on Business and Finance
f. Committee on Environment and Energy
g. Committee on Domestic and Development
h. Committee on Senatorial Procedures
i. Committee on Budget
j. Committee on Constitution

III. To the Senators:
a. Every Senator can be a member of one or more Committee(s).
b. Every Senator can request help from a Committee, inform the Committee about his law idea and expect the Committee to deal with the idea.
c. Every Senator can request additional help from a Committee if he drafts his own bill.
d. Committee members are not elected but sent to the Committee by their party.

IV. To the Committees:
a. Every Committee shall have a Chairman, whose duties and rights are the following:
i. Moderate the discussion between the Committee members.
ii. Make sure every idea brought to the Committee is reviewed.
iii. Set limits concerning time, number of ideas in the queue or frequency of Senatorial requests according to the workload of the Committee.
iv. The Chairman is responsible for the end product (in form of a complete bill).
b. Every Committee must, in the case of a request for help concerning the drafting, writing and checking a proposed idea or bill for possible conflicts with existing laws, work through the following procedure:
i. A Senator request help or information.
ii. The Chairman must give the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.) information about details that are relevant for the time when his idea is dealt with.
iii. When no other proposal is in the queue, the Chairman must provide the Committee members will all information he received from the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.).
iv. The Committee shall now discuss the information given, do the required research and draft a bill or, in case an incomplete bill was presented to them, complete the bill.
c. The Committees and their shall be listed in the FAQ thread, in each Senate Chamber as well as in the Coffee Shop thread.

V. Governmental Control
a. Every Committee shall be watched by the executive government of Aurentina; though its independence shall not be threatened.
b. Every Committee member shall be impeachable by the Senate with a 2/3 majority vote.
c. Every Minister can participate in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


Epilogue
By this step, it is made possible that fewer voices are heared in this legislative process, but the ones that are raised are representing all parties of Aurentina. This (pre-)legislative process shall thereby be made easier, more efficient and more satisfying for the Senate and the people of Aurentina. NO, this process shall not be made exclusive for those committees, as Senators still can propose and draft their own composed laws.

No, this bill is wholly un-needed.Ministers can already create committees and they are in charge of how it is run.

I support this bill. However, there are two main problems with it:

1. I did not see how the committee chair is selected
2. Independent senators should be included in the bill'

Other than that I like it and will sponsor it if those two provisions are added!
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Postby Next Washington » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:21 am

changed, IV.a.v and III.e.

Senatorial Committee Act

Category: Senatorial Procedures | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:



Foreword
Being in the senate for some time now, I recognized that our core process, legislation, is often inefficient. I mean that there are many laws proposed by one party and then approved by the same; and often the other parties, their comments and ideas are forgotten.
Therefore I propose founding special commitees for every law category, consisting of representants of all parties, official and unofficial, and everyone who has an idea for a law should be able to inform a committee and this committee shall draft a bill. Also each Minister shall find a place in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


I.Definitions:
a. In the following, “Committee” shall be defined as:
i. Legislative: As a group of Senators, of those each Senator represents one party of Aurentina. This law does not divide between official and unofficial parties. Not every party has to be represented in the Committee when it wishes not to be so.
ii. Physical: As a separate topic in the forum.
b. In the following, “idea” and “proposal” are defined as inputs given by an individual Senator to the Committee in form of a uncompleted bill or in form of a note explaining the content, reason, effect and relevance to the well-being of the Aurentine Commonwealth.

II. There shall be the following committees:
a. Committee on Health
b. Committee on International Relations
c. Committee on Order
d. Committee on Miscellaneous Topics
e. Committee on Business and Finance
f. Committee on Environment and Energy
g. Committee on Domestic and Development
h. Committee on Senatorial Procedures
i. Committee on Budget
j. Committee on Constitution

III. To the Senators:
a. Every Senator can be a member of one or more Committee(s).
b. Every Senator can request help from a Committee, inform the Committee about his law idea and expect the Committee to deal with the idea.
c. Every Senator can request additional help from a Committee if he drafts his own bill.
d. Committee members are not elected but sent to the Committee by their party.
e. Every Committee may include Independent Senators, their amount is limitable down to 3 by the Chairman.

IV. To the Committees:
a. Every Committee shall have a Chairman, whose duties and rights are the following:
i. Moderate the discussion between the Committee members.
ii. Make sure every idea brought to the Committee is reviewed.
iii. Set limits concerning time, number of ideas in the queue or frequency of Senatorial requests according to the workload of the Committee.
iv. The Chairman is responsible for the end product (in form of a complete bill).
v. The Chairman shall be elected by the Committee members for a period of two months (adjusted to the national elections), infititive renews.
b. Every Committee must, in the case of a request for help concerning the drafting, writing and checking a proposed idea or bill for possible conflicts with existing laws, work through the following procedure:
i. A Senator request help or information.
ii. The Chairman must give the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.) information about details that are relevant for the time when his idea is dealt with.
iii. When no other proposal is in the queue, the Chairman must provide the Committee members will all information he received from the Senator (the one mentioned in IV.b.i.).
iv. The Committee shall now discuss the information given, do the required research and draft a bill or, in case an incomplete bill was presented to them, complete the bill.
c. The Committees and their shall be listed in the FAQ thread, in each Senate Chamber as well as in the Coffee Shop thread.

V. Governmental Control
a. Every Committee shall be watched by the executive government of Aurentina; though its independence shall not be threatened.
b. Every Committee member shall be impeachable by the Senate with a 2/3 majority vote.
c. Every Minister can participate in the Committee(s) relevant for his ministry.


Epilogue
By this step, it is made possible that fewer voices are heared in this legislative process, but the ones that are raised are representing all parties of Aurentina. This (pre-)legislative process shall thereby be made easier, more efficient and more satisfying for the Senate and the people of Aurentina. NO, this process shall not be made exclusive for those committees, as Senators still can propose and draft their own composed laws.
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Postby New Zepuha » Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:21 am

i. Committee on Budget
j. Committee on Constitution

Those shouldn't even be in their, the Constitutional Convention is established already and will only be called upon by the government. The Budget is also a government run thing, whoever is in power will create the budget thread.

Next, Senators being in more than one committee can and will create conflicts of interest as one may try to down the other committee to aid his favorite.
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