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Maklohi Vai
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:33 pm

Ainin, I'll sponsor that bill.
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Postby Next Washington » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:01 am

Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test, NEO Rome Republic, Belmaria


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.


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Postby Battlion » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:04 am

Oneracon wrote:
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No, Ainin's proposal has an equal spread of religious and non-religions holidays, thus it does comply with the law of not putting religion or atheism above one another. Christmas is celebrated in December by most religions so is a kind of universal religious holiday. What would be breaking the law would be a calender of state holidays that was either completely religious or completely non-religious.


That would only be true if Christianity were the sole religion in the world, which it is not.

You either recognize all religious holidays (thus bringing the economy to a standstill since no one will have to work) or none (the gap in holiday time can be filled by non-religious observances).

Hence my suggested dates, which I am open to suggestions for:
New Year's Day, 1 January
World Water Day, 22 March
Independence Day, 10 April
Labour Day, 1 May
World Oceans Day, 8 June
Liberation Day, 17 July
Youth Day, 12 August
Literacy Day, 8 September
Teachers’ Day, 5 October
Remembrance Day, 11 November
Winter Bank Holiday 21 December - 26 December
New Year's Eve, 31 December


Y'know, I prefer Ainin's bill.... You keep insisting the clause is illegal yet it is only you.

Ainin, I shall sponsor as well.

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Postby Oneracon » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:02 am

Battlion wrote:Y'know, I prefer Ainin's bill.... You keep insisting the clause is illegal yet it is only you.


As I have said before, even it may not violate the letter of the law (by circumventing it) then it violates the spirit of the law and the principle of separation of Church and State.
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Postby The Licentian Isles » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:40 am

Ainin wrote:
Repeal the Second Republican Executive Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | Original Content of REA by: *will add later*

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Believing that blatant unaccredited usage of large portions of a bill without permission is unabashed theft,

Noting an amendment adds text to a bill, a principle which the preamble of the Republican Executive Act II does not seem to grasp,

Realising that repealing the Republican Executive Act has created massive disruptions in Aurentina, including the removal of the legal mandate of the Constitutional Convention and any and all forms of queuejumping,

Affirming this bill has caused way more disruptions than it has solved,

Hereby enacts the following statute:

The Republican Executive Act II is struck out and rendered null and inequitably
The following bill may be referred to as the Provisional Republican Executive Act, and all references to a "Republican Executive Act" in previous legislation shall be to this one.

*insert original REA + amendments + queued PM term limit amendment + MFA here*


I will sponsor this.

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Britanno
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Postby Britanno » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:47 am

Ainin wrote:
Repeal the Second Republican Executive Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | Original Content of REA by: *will add later*

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Believing that blatant unaccredited usage of large portions of a bill without permission is unabashed theft,

Noting an amendment adds text to a bill, a principle which the preamble of the Republican Executive Act II does not seem to grasp,

Realising that repealing the Republican Executive Act has created massive disruptions in Aurentina, including the removal of the legal mandate of the Constitutional Convention and any and all forms of queuejumping,

Affirming this bill has caused way more disruptions than it has solved,

Hereby enacts the following statute:

The Republican Executive Act II is struck out and rendered null and inequitably
The following bill may be referred to as the Provisional Republican Executive Act, and all references to a "Republican Executive Act" in previous legislation shall be to this one.

*insert original REA + amendments + queued PM term limit amendment + MFA here*


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Postby Senate President pro Tempore » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:06 pm

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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:08 pm

Battlion wrote:Ainin, I shall sponsor as well.

The holidays or Repeal REA one? :blink:
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Postby Senate President pro Tempore » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:08 pm

Ainin wrote:
Battlion wrote:Ainin, I shall sponsor as well.

The holidays or Repeal REA one? :blink:


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Ainin
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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:10 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:Ainin, I'll sponsor that bill.

Ainin wrote:The holidays or Repeal REA one? :blink:
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:18 pm

Battlion wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
That would only be true if Christianity were the sole religion in the world, which it is not.

You either recognize all religious holidays (thus bringing the economy to a standstill since no one will have to work) or none (the gap in holiday time can be filled by non-religious observances).

Hence my suggested dates, which I am open to suggestions for:
New Year's Day, 1 January
World Water Day, 22 March
Independence Day, 10 April
Labour Day, 1 May
World Oceans Day, 8 June
Liberation Day, 17 July
Youth Day, 12 August
Literacy Day, 8 September
Teachers’ Day, 5 October
Remembrance Day, 11 November
Winter Bank Holiday 21 December - 26 December
New Year's Eve, 31 December


Y'know, I prefer Ainin's bill.... You keep insisting the clause is illegal yet it is only you.

Ainin, I shall sponsor as well.

What if someone prefers Oneracon's solution? People would be entitled to one or two days off for their own religious holidays. The government doesn't need to recognize them.
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Postby Battlion » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:21 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Y'know, I prefer Ainin's bill.... You keep insisting the clause is illegal yet it is only you.

Ainin, I shall sponsor as well.

What if someone prefers Oneracon's solution? People would be entitled to one or two days off for their own religious holidays. The government doesn't need to recognize them.


It's ainin's bill, he decides if he wants to change it.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:22 pm

Battlion wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What if someone prefers Oneracon's solution? People would be entitled to one or two days off for their own religious holidays. The government doesn't need to recognize them.


It's ainin's bill, he decides if he wants to change it.

I never said he should change it, did I? Nobody said the clause was blatantly illegal and needed to be changed. We're talking about the spirit of secularism.
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Postby Battlion » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:24 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Battlion wrote:
It's ainin's bill, he decides if he wants to change it.

I never said he should change it, did I? Nobody said the clause was blatantly illegal and needed to be changed. We're talking about the spirit of secularism.


Fair enough, I just think it's going to be stupid for us to claim that we should what the state holidays were before Independence for generations because we want to be secular.

It effectively is banning Christmas...

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:27 pm

Battlion wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I never said he should change it, did I? Nobody said the clause was blatantly illegal and needed to be changed. We're talking about the spirit of secularism.


Fair enough, I just think it's going to be stupid for us to claim that we should what the state holidays were before Independence for generations because we want to be secular.

It effectively is banning Christmas...


Allowing Christians to take the day off, but not make it a state endorsed holiday=/=banning Christmas. Enforcing laws are stupid now? I for one think enforcing laws, trumps any tradition.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:28 pm

Battlion wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I never said he should change it, did I? Nobody said the clause was blatantly illegal and needed to be changed. We're talking about the spirit of secularism.


Fair enough, I just think it's going to be stupid for us to claim that we should what the state holidays were before Independence for generations because we want to be secular.

It effectively is banning Christmas...

What the hell? When Oneracon and I were bringing up minority religious holidays that don't get recognized, you would have laughed if we said, "Not officially recognizing Hanukkah bans it". You're free to celebrate Christmas and put up a Christmas tree and wear a Santa hat. I take part in the secular aspects of Christmas, so no, I don't want to ban it and I'm not trying to ban it.
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Postby Maklohi Vai » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:01 pm

Ainin wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:Ainin, I'll sponsor that bill.

Ainin wrote:The holidays or Repeal REA one? :blink:

Repeal.
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Postby Fulflood » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:12 pm

Oneracon wrote:Winter Bank Holiday 21 December - 26 December

Oh please.

Note how this was said in a totally non-official capacity. I personally think that Christmas is more of a secular holiday than a religious one, despite its Christian roots.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:12 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Fair enough, I just think it's going to be stupid for us to claim that we should what the state holidays were before Independence for generations because we want to be secular.

It effectively is banning Christmas...


Allowing Christians to take the day off, but not make it a state endorsed holiday=/=banning Christmas.

This^. I don't know why people are getting so angry about this. I doubt religious minorities are this angry about their religious holidays not being state endorsed. The government is not obligated to make anything a state endorsed holiday.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:19 pm

Christmas and Easter are more commercial holidays than anything else anymore. I don't see what's wrong with it.

However, I do see why people disagree with having Good Friday and Easter Monday as holidays, so I will remove them. Suggestions for replacements?
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:21 pm

Britanno wrote:
Ainin wrote:
Repeal the Second Republican Executive Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | Original Content of REA by: *will add later*

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Believing that blatant unaccredited usage of large portions of a bill without permission is unabashed theft,

Noting an amendment adds text to a bill, a principle which the preamble of the Republican Executive Act II does not seem to grasp,

Realising that repealing the Republican Executive Act has created massive disruptions in Aurentina, including the removal of the legal mandate of the Constitutional Convention and any and all forms of queuejumping,

Affirming this bill has caused way more disruptions than it has solved,

Hereby enacts the following statute:

The Republican Executive Act II is struck out and rendered null and inequitably
The following bill may be referred to as the Provisional Republican Executive Act, and all references to a "Republican Executive Act" in previous legislation shall be to this one.

*insert original REA + amendments + queued PM term limit amendment + MFA here*


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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Allowing Christians to take the day off, but not make it a state endorsed holiday=/=banning Christmas.

This^. I don't know why people are getting so angry about this. I doubt religious minorities are this angry about their religious holidays not being state endorsed. The government is not obligated to make anything a state endorsed holiday.


I honestly didn't think anyone would be upset, at least not as much as some are. It seems I underestimated people's inclination towards Tradition, and Religion.
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Postby New Zepuha » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:23 pm

New Zepuha wrote:
New Zepuha wrote:
Security From Past Punishment Bill


Author: New Zepuha [NDP] | Sponsors: Battlion [NDP], Ainin [NDP], Geilinor [NDP], Divitaen [CMP] | Urgency: Relevant | Category: Misc.


Section 1. Preface -

This bill aims to dismiss the possibility of being punished, or a penalty against any document, person, or property, or any punishable offence. Seeing as if having committed said punishable act, before a time in which the legislation that creates said punishment, would not be morally or ethically punishable. This also prevents the ability of politicians to misuse laws to punish their enemies for wrongdoings before it was an offence.

Section 2. Prevention of Abuse -

The President Pro Tempore [or Secretary of the Senate in case of inactive PpT] is tasked with the responsibility of reviewing the dates of passed legislation and making certain they are marked accordingly. The Commonwealth Prosecution Service is hereby required to consult public record; to ensure that no one is prosecuted for an offence committed before a legislation had made such an act an offence. No piece of legislation, that was written before a another legislation making it null under current standards, may be struck down or nullified. No one person shall be denied a position, job, or anything like thereof.

Anyone found violating the terms of this bill will face steep fines. Making, Abuse of Past Deeds - the use of a prior offence that was not an offence at the time, or the striking down of legislation or by-laws or the like thereof, before it was made punishable or retractable. Is a contravention, punishable by a Minimum fine of £450 and a Maximum of £3,500. To be determined by the judge upon severity of the offence.

Hereby passes the Security From Past Punishment Bill

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Postby Ainin » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:25 pm

So, no ex post facto prosecution?
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:25 pm

Ainin wrote:So, no ex post facto prosecution?


????
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