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[Neo Rome Republic]

I doubt it would be so bad, that we'd have anarchy. Also, I edited my previous post.

Well, I would along with my like minded business leaders organise a mass protest and walk out all over the nation (paid of course) in protest at the removal of Christmas. This is not something we would allow to stand and nor would our workers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not really concerned.

[The Nihilistic view]

WE WANT CHRISTMAS!!

[Neo Rome Republic]

Over a holiday, really? Besides, isn't endorsing a Religious holiday for whatever reason, a violation of Secularism?

No, Ainin's proposal has an equal spread of religious and non-religions holidays, thus it does comply with the law of not putting religion or atheism above one another. Christmas is celebrated in December by most religions so is a kind of universal religious holiday. What would be breaking the law would be a calender of state holidays that was either completely religious or completely non-religious.

Non-Religious=/=Atheism, unless we have a holiday worshiping the birth of Dawkins, there is no violation of having secular only, national holidays. That's separation of church and state, government not playing favorites or any Religion whatsoever. Although, the idea isn't all that bad, just not what I'd prefer. I guess if what you say is true of Ainin's proposal, Ill keep my sponsorship of the bill.

[Neo Rome Republic]

WE WANT CHRISTMAS!!


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Don't push it, or I will withdraw my endorsement.

[The Nihilistic view]

No, Ainin's proposal has an equal spread of religious and non-religions holidays, thus it does comply with the law of not putting religion or atheism above one another. Christmas is celebrated in December by most religions so is a kind of universal religious holiday. What would be breaking the law would be a calender of state holidays that was either completely religious or completely non-religious.

Non-Religious=/=Atheism, unless we have a holiday worshiping the birth of Dawkins, there is no violation of having secular only, national holidays. That's separation of church and state, government not playing favorites or any Religion whatsoever. Although, the idea isn't all that bad, just not what I'd prefer. I guess if what you say is true of Ainin's proposal, Ill keep my sponsorship of the bill.

When I say non-religious in this sense I mean everything that is not to do with the worship of gods/godlike figure etc that is organized and ritualized if that makes sense.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Non-Religious=/=Atheism, unless we have a holiday worshiping the birth of Dawkins, there is no violation of having secular only, national holidays. That's separation of church and state, government not playing favorites or any Religion whatsoever. Although, the idea isn't all that bad, just not what I'd prefer. I guess if what you say is true of Ainin's proposal, Ill keep my sponsorship of the bill.

When I say non-religious in this sense I mean everything that is not to do with the worship of gods/godlike figure etc that is organized and ritualized if that makes sense.

Ah, okay.

[Ainin]

Repeal the Second Republican Executive Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | Original Content of REA by: *will add later*

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Believing that blatant unaccredited usage of large portions of a bill without permission is unabashed theft,

Noting an amendment adds text to a bill, a principle which the preamble of the Republican Executive Act II does not seem to grasp,

Realising that repealing the Republican Executive Act has created massive disruptions in Aurentina, including the removal of the legal mandate of the Constitutional Convention and any and all forms of queuejumping,

Affirming this bill has caused way more disruptions than it has solved,

Hereby enacts the following statute:

The Republican Executive Act II is struck out and rendered null and inequitably
The following bill may be referred to as the Provisional Republican Executive Act, and all references to a "Republican Executive Act" in previous legislation shall be to this one.

*insert original REA + amendments + queued PM term limit amendment + MFA here*

[The Nihilistic view]

Repeal the Second Republican Executive Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | Original Content of REA by: *will add later*

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Believing that blatant unaccredited usage of large portions of a bill without permission is unabashed theft,

Noting an amendment adds text to a bill, a principle which the preamble of the Republican Executive Act II does not seem to grasp,

Realising that repealing the Republican Executive Act has created massive disruptions in Aurentina, including the removal of the legal mandate of the Constitutional Convention and any and all forms of queuejumping,

Affirming this bill has caused way more disruptions than it has solved,

Hereby enacts the following statute:

The Republican Executive Act II is struck out and rendered null and inequitably
The following bill may be referred to as the Provisional Republican Executive Act, and all references to a "Republican Executive Act" in previous legislation shall be to this one.

*insert original REA + amendments + queued PM term limit amendment + MFA here*

Or you just add a queue jumping clause in with the constitutional convention, but I don't support your filibustering attempts.

[Geilinor]

Why not allow for all religions to fall under the umbrella then? And have a national atheist day to keep it fair.

Because, as Nihil pointed out earlier, if we recognized even only the one or two holiest days in every religion (and even an "Atheist Day" which is a bit silly tbh ) then we would have basically no workdays and the economy would grind to a halt.

The better option is to recognize no religious holidays, but allow explicit provision that people can request religious holidays off.

I think that's the best idea. Christmas doesn't have to be officially recognized for you to request a day off and you can put a Christmas tree up if you want to.

[The Nihilistic view]

Because, as Nihil pointed out earlier, if we recognized even only the one or two holiest days in every religion (and even an "Atheist Day" which is a bit silly tbh ) then we would have basically no workdays and the economy would grind to a halt.

The better option is to recognize no religious holidays, but allow explicit provision that people can request religious holidays off.

I think that's the best idea. Christmas doesn't have to be officially recognized for you to request a day off and you can put a Christmas tree up if you want to.

You don't enjoy Christmas?

[Geilinor]

Repeal the Second Republican Executive Act
Author: Ainin [NDP] | Original Content of REA by: *will add later*

---

The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Believing that blatant unaccredited usage of large portions of a bill without permission is unabashed theft,

Noting an amendment adds text to a bill, a principle which the preamble of the Republican Executive Act II does not seem to grasp,

Realising that repealing the Republican Executive Act has created massive disruptions in Aurentina, including the removal of the legal mandate of the Constitutional Convention and any and all forms of queuejumping,

Affirming this bill has caused way more disruptions than it has solved,

Hereby enacts the following statute:

The Republican Executive Act II is struck out and rendered null and inequitably
The following bill may be referred to as the Provisional Republican Executive Act, and all references to a "Republican Executive Act" in previous legislation shall be to this one.

*insert original REA + amendments + queued PM term limit amendment + MFA here*

Or you just add a queue jumping clause in with the constitutional convention, but I don't support your filibustering attempts.

How is this a filibuster? The Second REA had no use. If you wanted to change the process for recall elections, you could have simply proposed an amendment to amend that part.

[Geilinor]

I think that's the best idea. Christmas doesn't have to be officially recognized for you to request a day off and you can put a Christmas tree up if you want to.

You don't enjoy Christmas?

What does that have to do with this? Tell me what is wrong with Oneracon's suggestion. It makes the most sense and is fully secular. I believe that people should have the legal right to get a day off on their one or two most important religious holidays, regardless of their religion. You only want to legally recognize Christmas and Easter because you think that people who want a day off on any other religious holidays are "first generation immigrants who don't respect our culture" as you so clearly stated earlier, Boris.

[The Nihilistic view]

Or you just add a queue jumping clause in with the constitutional convention, but I don't support your filibustering attempts.

How is this a filibuster? The Second REA had no use. If you wanted to change the process for recall elections, you could have simply proposed an amendment to amend that part.

Allowing people to motion to change the category allows filibusters. Ainin has already done at least one (the only person to do so) and has tried a couple more times but failed.

[The Nihilistic view]

You don't enjoy Christmas?

What does that have to do with this? Tell me what is wrong with Oneracon's suggestion. It makes the most sense and is fully secular. I believe that people should have the legal right to get a day off on their one or two most important religious holidays, regardless of their religion. You only want to legally recognize Christmas and Easter because you think that people who want a day off on any other religious holidays are "first generation immigrants who don't respect our culture" as you so clearly stated earlier, Boris.

That reminds me, could you re-write your forth point from earlier so its able to be understood please.

EDIT: I also call a point of order at calming I said the part in speech marks but it is in fact a total miss quote and a lie so I also officially call into question the above senators honesty.

Original quote of what I actually said.

We don't cast aside our culture for a small minority of first generation immigrants, it is up to them to adapt to our culture when it concerns something like the holidays that does not impact on their human rights as set out in the international courts.

[Geilinor]

How is this a filibuster? The Second REA had no use. If you wanted to change the process for recall elections, you could have simply proposed an amendment to amend that part.

Allowing people to motion to change the category allows filibusters. Ainin has already done at least one (the only person to do so) and has tried a couple more times but failed.

Queue-jumping can have important functions. A bill that is urgent due to unexpected circumstances, for instance. If we had a natural disaster and had to approve aid, that should be our first priority, above all else. If we were attacked, declaring war would need to become our first priority.

[Ainin]

How is this a filibuster? The Second REA had no use. If you wanted to change the process for recall elections, you could have simply proposed an amendment to amend that part.

Allowing people to motion to change the category allows filibusters. Ainin has already done at least one (the only person to do so) and has tried a couple more times but failed.

When, exactly did I try "a couple more times"? I'm curious, because I don't remember that.

[Geilinor]

What does that have to do with this? Tell me what is wrong with Oneracon's suggestion. It makes the most sense and is fully secular. I believe that people should have the legal right to get a day off on their one or two most important religious holidays, regardless of their religion. You only want to legally recognize Christmas and Easter because you think that people who want a day off on any other religious holidays are "first generation immigrants who don't respect our culture" as you so clearly stated earlier, Boris.

That reminds me, could you re-write your forth point from earlier so its able to be understood please.

Do I need to quote the post where you ranted about "first generation immigrants who don't respect your culture"? I'm sure you remember.

[The Nihilistic view]

What does that have to do with this? Tell me what is wrong with Oneracon's suggestion. It makes the most sense and is fully secular. I believe that people should have the legal right to get a day off on their one or two most important religious holidays, regardless of their religion. You only want to legally recognize Christmas and Easter because you think that people who want a day off on any other religious holidays are "first generation immigrants who don't respect our culture" as you so clearly stated earlier, Boris.

That reminds me, could you re-write your forth point from earlier so its able to be understood please.

EDIT: I also call a point of order at calming I said the part in speech marks but it is in fact a total miss quote and a lie so I also officially call into question the above senators honesty.

Original quote of what I actually said. I did not in anyway say they did not respect our culture.

We don't cast aside our culture for a small minority of first generation immigrants, it is up to them to adapt to our culture when it concerns something like the holidays that does not impact on their human rights as set out in the international courts.

[Ainin]

Your post goes after the last [quote] tag. And "EDIT:" usually means you've edited your post, you know.

I'll write the ruling in the next post, please stand by.

[The Nihilistic view]

Your post goes after the last

tag. And "EDIT:" usually means you've edited your post, you know.

I'll write the ruling in the next post, please stand by.

Its not clear exactly what you mean here.

[Ainin]

Also, you seem fond of using the term "international courts". The ICJ and ICC don't take civil cases, and the Human Rights Committee is essentially nonbinding.

[Ainin]

Your post goes after the last

Its not clear exactly what you mean here.

I'm telling you that your post just before mine was really confusing to read because of your misuse of quote tags and edit notices.

Anyways, please hold for ruling.

[The Nihilistic view]

Also, you seem fond of using the term "international courts". The ICJ and ICC don't take civil cases, and the Human Rights Committee is essentially nonbinding.

European courts, my post where that comes up was directed at the other countries of Europe. They are in that and they exist for civil cases.

[Ainin]

Geil's use of quotation tags, in this context, did not represent a direct citation, so he did not misquote you.

Point of order dismissed.

Now invoking PPUBA 3.9.

"Once the decision is rendered, the matter is no longer open to debate or discussion and the ruling may not be appealed."

[Oneracon]

Over a holiday, really? Besides, isn't endorsing a Religious holiday for whatever reason, a violation of Secularism?

No, Ainin's proposal has an equal spread of religious and non-religions holidays, thus it does comply with the law of not putting religion or atheism above one another. Christmas is celebrated in December by most religions so is a kind of universal religious holiday. What would be breaking the law would be a calender of state holidays that was either completely religious or completely non-religious.

That would only be true if Christianity were the sole religion in the world, which it is not.

You either recognize all religious holidays (thus bringing the economy to a standstill since no one will have to work) or none (the gap in holiday time can be filled by non-religious observances).

Hence my suggested dates, which I am open to suggestions for:

New Year's Day, 1 January
World Water Day, 22 March
Independence Day, 10 April
Labour Day, 1 May
World Oceans Day, 8 June
Liberation Day, 17 July
Youth Day, 12 August
Literacy Day, 8 September
Teachers’ Day, 5 October
Remembrance Day, 11 November
Winter Bank Holiday 21 December - 26 December
New Year's Eve, 31 December