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Next Washington
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Postby Next Washington » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:39 pm

i got a good idea... sponsoring my CRA :lol:

Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:40 pm

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We're creating holidays for one set and not the other, it is still breaking the law.


I don't suppose, you have any ideas?


Allowing the bill as it is to stand, stating the SSA doesn't apply to this part of the bill which is perfectly legal in my opinion.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:51 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
I don't suppose, you have any ideas?


Allowing the bill as it is to stand, stating the SSA doesn't apply to this part of the bill which is perfectly legal in my opinion.


I already sponsored it, but the Anti-Religious voice in me, is making me reconsider. :p
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:58 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Allowing the bill as it is to stand, stating the SSA doesn't apply to this part of the bill which is perfectly legal in my opinion.


I already sponsored it, but the Anti-Religious voice in me, is making me reconsider. :p


I'm anti-religious as well but I still don't see the point in abolishing a holiday that will have been celebrated last year yet isn't being celebrated this year because we have become independent.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:59 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
I already sponsored it, but the Anti-Religious voice in me, is making me reconsider. :p


I'm anti-religious as well but I still don't see the point in abolishing a holiday that will have been celebrated last year yet isn't being celebrated this year because we have become independent.


Britain isn't Secular, we are however.
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''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:03 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
I'm anti-religious as well but I still don't see the point in abolishing a holiday that will have been celebrated last year yet isn't being celebrated this year because we have become independent.


Britain isn't Secular, we are however.


Last year we wasn't, last year we celebrated it...

You can't suggest public opinion radically shifted from being able to have Christmas to never wanting it ever... Unrealisic and if this was a real country we'd be facing mass protests.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:05 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Britain isn't Secular, we are however.


Last year we wasn't, last year we celebrated it...

You can't suggest public opinion radically shifted from being able to have Christmas to never wanting it ever... Unrealisic and if this was a real country we'd be facing mass protests.


Over a holiday, really? Besides, isn't endorsing a Religious holiday for whatever reason, a violation of Secularism?
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:06 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Last year we wasn't, last year we celebrated it...

You can't suggest public opinion radically shifted from being able to have Christmas to never wanting it ever... Unrealisic and if this was a real country we'd be facing mass protests.


Over a holiday, really?


Yes, let's remove something we've had for our whole history and expect there to be no reaction.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:07 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Over a holiday, really?


Yes, let's remove something we've had for our whole history and expect there to be no reaction.


I doubt it would be so bad, that we'd have anarchy. Also, I edited my previous post.
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:09 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Yes, let's remove something we've had for our whole history and expect there to be no reaction.


I doubt it would be so bad, that we'd have anarchy. Also, I edited my previous post.


Oh no it wouldn't, but to think people would be just fine with it is unrealistic.


Additionally, if the bill states it doesn't apply it doesn't apply... No bill has preference over another.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:10 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
I doubt it would be so bad, that we'd have anarchy. Also, I edited my previous post.


Oh no it wouldn't, but to think people would be just fine with it is unrealistic.


Additionally, if the bill states it doesn't apply it doesn't apply... No bill has preference over another.


I know there'd be a reaction, Religion just happens to be one of those very rare issues, where I don't about popular opinion or ''the will of the people''.
Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Next Washington » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:11 pm

sorry to interrupt you again, guys...

sponsors?

Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.
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"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government." - AG
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:13 pm

Next Washington wrote:sorry to interrupt you again, guys...

sponsors?

Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.

Ill sponsor.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:13 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Oh no it wouldn't, but to think people would be just fine with it is unrealistic.


Additionally, if the bill states it doesn't apply it doesn't apply... No bill has preference over another.


I know there'd be a reaction, Religion just happens to be one of those very rare issues, where I don't about popular opinion or ''the will of the people''.


To be frank, I don't think most people celebrate Christmas for it's religious roots but for the family time it provides but by suggesting only those who are bound by those holidays can take the day off is foolish and incredibly ridiculous.

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Postby Next Washington » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:14 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Next Washington wrote:sorry to interrupt you again, guys...

sponsors?

Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test, NEO Rome Republic


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.

Ill sponsor.


thanks, anyone else?
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:15 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
I know there'd be a reaction, Religion just happens to be one of those very rare issues, where I don't about popular opinion or ''the will of the people''.


To be frank, I don't think most people celebrate Christmas for it's religious roots but for the family time it provides but by suggesting only those who are bound by those holidays can take the day off is foolish and incredibly ridiculous.


It was simply the best compromise, I could think of.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
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"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby Belmaria » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:16 pm

Next Washington wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Ill sponsor.


thanks, anyone else?

As will I
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:17 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
To be frank, I don't think most people celebrate Christmas for it's religious roots but for the family time it provides but by suggesting only those who are bound by those holidays can take the day off is foolish and incredibly ridiculous.


It was simply the best compromise, I could think of.


It's also unfair to anyone who doesn't have a religion, I might not be religious but even I think banning Christmas is a step too far.

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Postby Next Washington » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:19 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
thanks, anyone else?

As will I


thanks

Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test, NEO Rome Republic, Belmaria


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.


one more...
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:20 pm

Battlion wrote:
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It was simply the best compromise, I could think of.


It's also unfair to anyone who doesn't have a religion, I might not be religious but even I think banning Christmas is a step too far.


Only those who are Christian, can take the day off on Christmas=/=it's completely banned. This happens with Religious holidays in other countries for example, Jews can take days off on their Religious holidays, but Non-Jews can't, same with Orthodox Christians on the January 7th. I also suggested the possibility of holidays, for Non-Religious folks.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:46 pm

Battlion wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Yes, it's a growing issue as climate change puts increasing stress on global water supplies.



I'm glad you think so too! Literacy begins at home and is introduced into a person's life by their parents/guardians, what better way to start than with a day that the whole family can read together.



Yes, teachers deserve a day of recognition for the important work that they do.



Yes.



To repeat myself: Neither is celebrating the birth and death of a mythological figure.



1: That isn't justification for a day off, it's like "why aren't we making the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia a bank holiday?" or something that means a lot to some people. Water awareness, not really on the top of everyone's agenda.

2: It was sarcasm, and prove to me that every family would read? They wouldn't

3: There are teacher days, but they don't give everyone the day off because of it. In the UK, I had no idea this even existed so shows how much we support it huh... Worldwide Teachers days for your reference and what happens

4: saying "yes" doesn't justify it

5: Never said that was either, it's just plain unrealistic to say that Aurentina citizens cannot celebrate Bank Holidays that will have done all their lives because people are trying to effectively pursue State Atheism.


That is a very good point, this attempt at state atheism would if we follow the same logic of the anti-Christmas and Easter brigade would also break their cherished act as it would promote atheism above any other religion.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:58 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Battlion wrote:
You're telling me that it is at all realistic for people to support removing Bank Holidays that they will have experienced all their lives?

Businesses can still choose to close on those days if they wish. But in order to maintain a secular state we must not allow it to be a mandatory national holiday.


You know they won't, all you have to do is look to the UK at what happened when it became legal to open on a sunday in the 90's.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:03 pm

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Battlion wrote:
Last year we wasn't, last year we celebrated it...

You can't suggest public opinion radically shifted from being able to have Christmas to never wanting it ever... Unrealisic and if this was a real country we'd be facing mass protests.


Over a holiday, really? Besides, isn't endorsing a Religious holiday for whatever reason, a violation of Secularism?


No, Ainin's proposal has an equal spread of religious and non-religions holidays, thus it does comply with the law of not putting religion or atheism above one another. Christmas is celebrated in December by most religions so is a kind of universal religious holiday. What would be breaking the law would be a calender of state holidays that was either completely religious or completely non-religious.
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Moralistic Democracy

Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:06 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Yes, let's remove something we've had for our whole history and expect there to be no reaction.


I doubt it would be so bad, that we'd have anarchy. Also, I edited my previous post.


Well, I would along with my like minded business leaders organise a mass protest and walk out all over the nation (paid of course) in protest at the removal of Christmas. This is not something we would allow to stand and nor would our workers.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:07 pm

Plus I assume we have a Freedom of Religion in this country, correct? :)

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