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Battlion
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Founded: Aug 01, 2011
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:00 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Battlion wrote:
good luck telling citizens that the days they used to get off they will now be asked to work.

What business is going to close and give their workers a day off which they're not required to

The bill should mandate that businesses allow their employees to take off religious holidays, should they request to.


So basically Atheists don't get a day off?

Very fair

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Britanno
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Founded: Apr 05, 2013
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Postby Britanno » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:03 pm

Belmaria wrote:
Britanno wrote:I don't want Christmas as a national holiday because it's a religious day, I want it as one because it is a tradition. We will have had it as a holiday before independence, I don't see why we should stop a long lasting tradition. It's not favouring religion, it's supporting preservation of tradition.

If we followed tradition with everything then gay marriage and abortion would still be illegal and women would not be able to vote. Change is a good thing and it's about time conservatives realize this.


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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:09 pm

Britanno wrote:I don't want Christmas as a national holiday because it's a religious day, I want it as one because it is a tradition. We will have had it as a holiday before independence, I don't see why we should stop a long lasting tradition. It's not favouring religion, it's supporting preservation of tradition.


Some of us don't care about tradition, Senator. Just because something is traditional does not make it useful or necessary, sometimes traditions just get in the way, and make things worse than they could be. Unless there is a practicallty good reason to preserve something, saying ''its tradition'' is not really a valid argument.
As tradition=/= what's always best. I must say, this is not one of your strongest arguments, Senator.
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Next Washington
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Founded: Apr 25, 2012
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Postby Next Washington » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:14 pm

hi there again, in case you overlooked it, i'd like to reform the nation 8)

i noticed some want sort of "provinces".... so i made up my mind and, as i'd also be for more de-centralizing, i drafted this bill:

DEVELOPMENT OF STATES AND REORGANISING GOVERNMENT ACT 2013

Category: Domestic | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:



Foreword
Since the Nationstates General Senate was established, it was the only government for a large nation, Aurentina. This act establishes a second, more local government. The nation shall be divided into x states, every state shall have its executive branch leaders and thereby partial independence from the Senate.


I. In the following, “state” shall be defined as a local and legal area within Aurentina that has a “Governor”, the head of the states executive branch as well as a “Lieutenant Governor”, who acts as the Governor’s deputy. “Basic Legislation” is defined as laws passed by the Senate that are essential for the nation. “State Senator” is defined as Senator who is citizen of a state.

II. This bill grants the states the following independence:
a. A state is not forced implement every national law. A state must approve the basic legislation passed by the Senate of Aurentina.
b. A state can hold its own elections for positions within the state government.
c. A state can implement its own legislation, as long as this does not harm the national legislation.

III. This bill grants the Governors the following rights:
a. The Governors can veto the implementation of every law passed by the national lawmakers, except for basic legislation.
b. The Governors can repeal the implementation of already implemented national legislation.
c. The Governors can veto every law that's voted on in their state.

IV. To the states:
a. There shall be x states. The "x" is defined as the total amount of senators divided by 100.
b. Once the number of senators reaches the next hundred, a new state must be founded.
c. Every state shall be allowed to pass its own laws with a simple majority vote (50%+1 vote “Aye”).
d. Every state shall be governed by the Governor as head of the executive branch and the state senate as legislative branch.
e. For the beginning, every state shall implement all national laws.
f. All parties recognized by the national government are allowed in the states too.
g. If the Governor falls incative for more than 3 days without a valid reason or excuse, or if he is impeached, the Lieutenant Governor shall serve as Governor for the rest of the period (2 months).

V. To the senators:
a. Every senator can choose a state to live in.
b. If a senator chooses no state to live in he is only allowed to participate in national government.
c. Every senator who is a citizen of a state must be listed in the state government’s topic.
d. Every state senator is allowed to participate in both state and national government.
e. State senators can overrule the Governor’s veto, either for one of the laws proposed on the state level, or for the implementation of a national law, with a 2/3 majority in the state senate.
f. The state senators can impeach the Governor with a 3/4 vote in the state senate.

V. Gubernatorial elections:
a. Every senator shall be allowed to run for governor.
b. Each party shall send one candidate into the state governor’s election. Therefore primaries can be hold in special topics.
c. Every independent senator shall be allowed to run individual.
d. Every gubernatorial candidate must choose a running mate; this person will, in the case of a win, become the Lieutenant Governor.
e. The gubernatorial elections may last for exactly 48 hours.
f. The gubernatorial elections must be announced by the current Lieutenant Governor.
g. Gubernatorial elections must take place every 2 months.
h. Every senator shall be allowed to run infinitive times.

VI. National control of the states:
a. The national government can impeach a governor with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
b. The state activities shall be overlooked by the Minister of Interior.
c. The national government can veto laws proposed on state levels with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
d. The national government can declare laws “basic legislation” with a 2/3 vote in senate (if the law has been passed already).
e. Future legislation that shall be seen as “basic legislation” shall be marked with a special line saying “This law shall be implemented as basic legislation”.


Epilogue
We live in a complicated world and in a complicated nation. This law should increase overall satisfaction with Aurentina, participation in general as the career opportunities increase and it shall allow more individualism as different states can implement and pass laws based on their mentality. This individualized mentality between states may attract different nations, allow them to live in the state that’s laws fit their needs and interests best. Also the fact that national coalitions and beliefs do not have to be shared on the state level opens the doors for cooperations that would not be possible on national level.


also i need some more sponsors for my CRA:
Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.
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Battlion
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Founded: Aug 01, 2011
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:15 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Britanno wrote:I don't want Christmas as a national holiday because it's a religious day, I want it as one because it is a tradition. We will have had it as a holiday before independence, I don't see why we should stop a long lasting tradition. It's not favouring religion, it's supporting preservation of tradition.


Some of us don't care about tradition, Senator. Just because something is traditional does not make it useful or necessary, sometimes traditions just get in the way, and make things worse than they could be. Unless there is a practicallty good reason to preserve something, saying ''its tradition'' is not really a valid argument.
As tradition=/= what's always best. I must say, this is not one of your strongest arguments, Senator.


It doesn't make any logical sense for citizens to want a holiday they'll have celebrated for generations to be taken away from them.

Nor does allowing business to let them have the day off, because which business is going to let them have a day off when they could be working unless legally required to do so. Additionally, if we state that anyone who is subject to certain religions can take the day off on their religious festivals this effectively gives Atheists no days off promoting an inequality right there and suggesting that to have the maximum time off and chance to rest you must be religious.

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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:16 pm

Next Washington wrote:hi there again, in case you overlooked it, i'd like to reform the nation 8)

i noticed some want sort of "provinces".... so i made up my mind and, as i'd also be for more de-centralizing, i drafted this bill:

DEVELOPMENT OF STATES AND REORGANISING GOVERNMENT ACT 2013

Category: Domestic | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:



Foreword
Since the Nationstates General Senate was established, it was the only government for a large nation, Aurentina. This act establishes a second, more local government. The nation shall be divided into x states, every state shall have its executive branch leaders and thereby partial independence from the Senate.


I. In the following, “state” shall be defined as a local and legal area within Aurentina that has a “Governor”, the head of the states executive branch as well as a “Lieutenant Governor”, who acts as the Governor’s deputy. “Basic Legislation” is defined as laws passed by the Senate that are essential for the nation. “State Senator” is defined as Senator who is citizen of a state.

II. This bill grants the states the following independence:
a. A state is not forced implement every national law. A state must approve the basic legislation passed by the Senate of Aurentina.
b. A state can hold its own elections for positions within the state government.
c. A state can implement its own legislation, as long as this does not harm the national legislation.

III. This bill grants the Governors the following rights:
a. The Governors can veto the implementation of every law passed by the national lawmakers, except for basic legislation.
b. The Governors can repeal the implementation of already implemented national legislation.
c. The Governors can veto every law that's voted on in their state.

IV. To the states:
a. There shall be x states. The "x" is defined as the total amount of senators divided by 100.
b. Once the number of senators reaches the next hundred, a new state must be founded.
c. Every state shall be allowed to pass its own laws with a simple majority vote (50%+1 vote “Aye”).
d. Every state shall be governed by the Governor as head of the executive branch and the state senate as legislative branch.
e. For the beginning, every state shall implement all national laws.
f. All parties recognized by the national government are allowed in the states too.
g. If the Governor falls incative for more than 3 days without a valid reason or excuse, or if he is impeached, the Lieutenant Governor shall serve as Governor for the rest of the period (2 months).

V. To the senators:
a. Every senator can choose a state to live in.
b. If a senator chooses no state to live in he is only allowed to participate in national government.
c. Every senator who is a citizen of a state must be listed in the state government’s topic.
d. Every state senator is allowed to participate in both state and national government.
e. State senators can overrule the Governor’s veto, either for one of the laws proposed on the state level, or for the implementation of a national law, with a 2/3 majority in the state senate.
f. The state senators can impeach the Governor with a 3/4 vote in the state senate.

V. Gubernatorial elections:
a. Every senator shall be allowed to run for governor.
b. Each party shall send one candidate into the state governor’s election. Therefore primaries can be hold in special topics.
c. Every independent senator shall be allowed to run individual.
d. Every gubernatorial candidate must choose a running mate; this person will, in the case of a win, become the Lieutenant Governor.
e. The gubernatorial elections may last for exactly 48 hours.
f. The gubernatorial elections must be announced by the current Lieutenant Governor.
g. Gubernatorial elections must take place every 2 months.
h. Every senator shall be allowed to run infinitive times.

VI. National control of the states:
a. The national government can impeach a governor with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
b. The state activities shall be overlooked by the Minister of Interior.
c. The national government can veto laws proposed on state levels with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
d. The national government can declare laws “basic legislation” with a 2/3 vote in senate (if the law has been passed already).
e. Future legislation that shall be seen as “basic legislation” shall be marked with a special line saying “This law shall be implemented as basic legislation”.


Epilogue
We live in a complicated world and in a complicated nation. This law should increase overall satisfaction with Aurentina, participation in general as the career opportunities increase and it shall allow more individualism as different states can implement and pass laws based on their mentality. This individualized mentality between states may attract different nations, allow them to live in the state that’s laws fit their needs and interests best. Also the fact that national coalitions and beliefs do not have to be shared on the state level opens the doors for cooperations that would not be possible on national level.


also i need some more sponsors for my CRA:
Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.


The first one, need to wait till our constitution is proposed so no real point.

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Next Washington
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Postby Next Washington » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:18 pm

Battlion wrote:
Next Washington wrote:hi there again, in case you overlooked it, i'd like to reform the nation 8)

i noticed some want sort of "provinces".... so i made up my mind and, as i'd also be for more de-centralizing, i drafted this bill:

DEVELOPMENT OF STATES AND REORGANISING GOVERNMENT ACT 2013

Category: Domestic | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:



Foreword
Since the Nationstates General Senate was established, it was the only government for a large nation, Aurentina. This act establishes a second, more local government. The nation shall be divided into x states, every state shall have its executive branch leaders and thereby partial independence from the Senate.


I. In the following, “state” shall be defined as a local and legal area within Aurentina that has a “Governor”, the head of the states executive branch as well as a “Lieutenant Governor”, who acts as the Governor’s deputy. “Basic Legislation” is defined as laws passed by the Senate that are essential for the nation. “State Senator” is defined as Senator who is citizen of a state.

II. This bill grants the states the following independence:
a. A state is not forced implement every national law. A state must approve the basic legislation passed by the Senate of Aurentina.
b. A state can hold its own elections for positions within the state government.
c. A state can implement its own legislation, as long as this does not harm the national legislation.

III. This bill grants the Governors the following rights:
a. The Governors can veto the implementation of every law passed by the national lawmakers, except for basic legislation.
b. The Governors can repeal the implementation of already implemented national legislation.
c. The Governors can veto every law that's voted on in their state.

IV. To the states:
a. There shall be x states. The "x" is defined as the total amount of senators divided by 100.
b. Once the number of senators reaches the next hundred, a new state must be founded.
c. Every state shall be allowed to pass its own laws with a simple majority vote (50%+1 vote “Aye”).
d. Every state shall be governed by the Governor as head of the executive branch and the state senate as legislative branch.
e. For the beginning, every state shall implement all national laws.
f. All parties recognized by the national government are allowed in the states too.
g. If the Governor falls incative for more than 3 days without a valid reason or excuse, or if he is impeached, the Lieutenant Governor shall serve as Governor for the rest of the period (2 months).

V. To the senators:
a. Every senator can choose a state to live in.
b. If a senator chooses no state to live in he is only allowed to participate in national government.
c. Every senator who is a citizen of a state must be listed in the state government’s topic.
d. Every state senator is allowed to participate in both state and national government.
e. State senators can overrule the Governor’s veto, either for one of the laws proposed on the state level, or for the implementation of a national law, with a 2/3 majority in the state senate.
f. The state senators can impeach the Governor with a 3/4 vote in the state senate.

V. Gubernatorial elections:
a. Every senator shall be allowed to run for governor.
b. Each party shall send one candidate into the state governor’s election. Therefore primaries can be hold in special topics.
c. Every independent senator shall be allowed to run individual.
d. Every gubernatorial candidate must choose a running mate; this person will, in the case of a win, become the Lieutenant Governor.
e. The gubernatorial elections may last for exactly 48 hours.
f. The gubernatorial elections must be announced by the current Lieutenant Governor.
g. Gubernatorial elections must take place every 2 months.
h. Every senator shall be allowed to run infinitive times.

VI. National control of the states:
a. The national government can impeach a governor with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
b. The state activities shall be overlooked by the Minister of Interior.
c. The national government can veto laws proposed on state levels with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
d. The national government can declare laws “basic legislation” with a 2/3 vote in senate (if the law has been passed already).
e. Future legislation that shall be seen as “basic legislation” shall be marked with a special line saying “This law shall be implemented as basic legislation”.


Epilogue
We live in a complicated world and in a complicated nation. This law should increase overall satisfaction with Aurentina, participation in general as the career opportunities increase and it shall allow more individualism as different states can implement and pass laws based on their mentality. This individualized mentality between states may attract different nations, allow them to live in the state that’s laws fit their needs and interests best. Also the fact that national coalitions and beliefs do not have to be shared on the state level opens the doors for cooperations that would not be possible on national level.


also i need some more sponsors for my CRA:
Continuing Resolution Act


Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test


Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.


I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.


Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.


The first one, need to wait till our constitution is proposed so no real point.


:meh: which one? i thought we already have one?
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"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government." - AG
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Battlion
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Founded: Aug 01, 2011
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:18 pm

Next Washington wrote:
Battlion wrote:
The first one, need to wait till our constitution is proposed so no real point.


:meh: which one? i thought we already have one?


Nope, no constitution.

The Constitutional Convention is dealing with it at the moment.

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Neo Rome Republic
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Founded: Dec 27, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:19 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Some of us don't care about tradition, Senator. Just because something is traditional does not make it useful or necessary, sometimes traditions just get in the way, and make things worse than they could be. Unless there is a practicallty good reason to preserve something, saying ''its tradition'' is not really a valid argument.
As tradition=/= what's always best. I must say, this is not one of your strongest arguments, Senator.


It doesn't make any logical sense for citizens to want a holiday they'll have celebrated for generations to be taken away from them.

Nor does allowing business to let them have the day off, because which business is going to let them have a day off when they could be working unless legally required to do so. Additionally, if we state that anyone who is subject to certain religions can take the day off on their religious festivals this effectively gives Atheists no days off promoting an inequality right there and suggesting that to have the maximum time off and chance to rest you must be religious.


Senator by not making Religious holidays State holidays, is not taking their rights away. Couldn't we just allow those who adhere to the holidays f their Religion, be allowed days off, rather than the whole state, and also introduce secular holidays for Atheists? I speak as an Atheist myself, Senator.
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
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Next Washington
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Founded: Apr 25, 2012
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Postby Next Washington » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:19 pm

Battlion wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
:meh: which one? i thought we already have one?


Nope, no constitution.

The Constitutional Convention is dealing with it at the moment.


is this a special thread?
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"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government." - AG
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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:22 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Battlion wrote:
It doesn't make any logical sense for citizens to want a holiday they'll have celebrated for generations to be taken away from them.

Nor does allowing business to let them have the day off, because which business is going to let them have a day off when they could be working unless legally required to do so. Additionally, if we state that anyone who is subject to certain religions can take the day off on their religious festivals this effectively gives Atheists no days off promoting an inequality right there and suggesting that to have the maximum time off and chance to rest you must be religious.


Senator by not making Religious holidays State holidays, is not taking their rights away. Couldn't we just allow those who adhere to the holidays f their Religion, be allowed days off, rather than the whole state, and also introduce secular holidays for Atheists? I speak as an Atheist myself, Senator.


But isn't that putting preference by creating holidays for atheist?

Next Washington wrote:
Battlion wrote:
Nope, no constitution.

The Constitutional Convention is dealing with it at the moment.


is this a special thread?


Yes, of those invited to do so.

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Neo Rome Republic
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Founded: Dec 27, 2012
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:24 pm

Battlion wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Senator by not making Religious holidays State holidays, is not taking their rights away. Couldn't we just allow those who adhere to the holidays f their Religion, be allowed days off, rather than the whole state, and also introduce secular holidays for Atheists? I speak as an Atheist myself, Senator.


But isn't that putting preference by creating holidays for atheist?

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is this a special thread?


Yes, of those invited to do so.

Not if we allow the Religious to take days off, on their Religious holidays. The Religious keep their holidays, and the Non-Religious have their own. I think that's fair.
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:29 pm

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But isn't that putting preference by creating holidays for atheist?



Yes, of those invited to do so.

Not if we allow the Religious to take days off, on their Religious holidays. The Religious keep their holidays, and the Non-Religious have their own. I think that's fair.


But we'd have to create a state holiday, therefore it's showing preference as we can't allow religious people to have state holidays?

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:31 pm

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NEO Rome Republic wrote:Not if we allow the Religious to take days off, on their Religious holidays. The Religious keep their holidays, and the Non-Religious have their own. I think that's fair.


But we'd have to create a state holiday, therefore it's showing preference as we can't allow religious people to have state holidays?


If the state doesn't mandate it as a day off, where businesses or schools must close by law. If the state doesn't do that, it's not a state holiday.
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:32 pm

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But we'd have to create a state holiday, therefore it's showing preference as we can't allow religious people to have state holidays?


If the state doesn't mandate it as a day off, where businesses or schools must close by law. If the state doesn't do that. It's not a state holiday.


Then how do they have a day off then without mandating it?

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:34 pm

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If the state doesn't mandate it as a day off, where businesses or schools must close by law. If the state doesn't do that. It's not a state holiday.


Then how do they have a day off then without mandating it?


The Non-Religious are given the option to take the day off on those days, like the Religious are on their holidays.
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:meh: which one? i thought we already have one?


Nope, no constitution.

The Constitutional Convention is dealing with it at the moment.


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Then how do they have a day off then without mandating it?


The Non-Religious are given the option to take the day off on those days, like the Religious are on their holidays.


But no, the suggestion was that we put it in law that they can request the day off on those days hint why I brought it up.

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The Non-Religious are given the option to take the day off on those days, like the Religious are on their holidays.


But no, the suggestion was that we put it in law that they can request the day off on those days hint why I brought it up.


Who can?
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But no, the suggestion was that we put it in law that they can request the day off on those days hint why I brought it up.


Who can?


Religious people could request their holidays off, however that shows preference as atheism doesn't have any religious holidays thus it shows preference.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:44 pm

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Who can?


Religious people could request their holidays off, however that shows preference as atheism doesn't have any religious holidays thus it shows preference.


Which is why I suggested holidays for Non-Religious, as well.
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Religious people could request their holidays off, however that shows preference as atheism doesn't have any religious holidays thus it shows preference.


Which is why I suggested holidays for Non-Religious, as well.

But we'd have to create them by law, thus creates preference as we're making holidays for non-religious by law but not religious.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:49 pm

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Which is why I suggested holidays for Non-Religious, as well.

But we'd have to create them by law, thus creates preference as we're making holidays for non-religious by law but not religious.


How? They wouldn't be national holidays.
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Postby Battlion » Thu Oct 24, 2013 12:50 pm

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Battlion wrote:But we'd have to create them by law, thus creates preference as we're making holidays for non-religious by law but not religious.


How? They wouldn't be national holidays.


We're creating holidays for one set and not the other, it is still breaking the law.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:38 pm

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How? They wouldn't be national holidays.


We're creating holidays for one set and not the other, it is still breaking the law.


I don't suppose, you have any ideas?
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