NSG Senate Coffee Shop: 50% off Americanos [NSG Senate]

[Oneracon]

Amateurish, riddled with spelling mistakes, and not at all amusing.

See I can do it too.

I would certainly hope that my proposed dates for bank holidays weren't amusing, because they were not meant to be.

You see, unlike amateurishly changing the names of the already given days for some poor attempt at humour (which solves nothing and merely highlights your pettiness), I actually researched ideas for good holidays... including several international ones that would definitely be important to draw attention to for a small Mediterranean island nation.

In addition, I attempted to find holidays that could allow a relatively even share of holidays throughout the year to ensure optimal time for people to spend with their families.

Oh and there are no spelling mistakes in my days btw.

"Celerbration" "Goodsnow"

[The Nihilistic view]

Amateurish, riddled with spelling mistakes, and not at all amusing.

See I can do it too.

I would certainly hope that my proposed dates for bank holidays weren't amusing, because they were not meant to be.

You see, unlike amateurishly changing the names of the already given days for some poor attempt at humour (which solves nothing and merely highlights your pettiness), I actually researched ideas for good holidays... including several international ones that would definitely be important to draw attention to for a small Mediterranean island nation.

In addition, I attempted to find holidays that could allow a relatively even share of holidays throughout the year to ensure optimal time for people to spend with their families.

Oh and there are no spelling mistakes in my days btw.

"Celerbration" "Goodsnow"

That is the point, to have the holidays on the same days they are now so as not to upset 90% of people. Its not humor anymore, its serious. Unlike you.


Unfortunately for you I had corrected it before you posted as I had seen it. GoodSnow though is not a spelling mistake, that is grammatical error through the use of a capital letter.

[Oneracon]

That is the point, to have the holidays on the same days they are now so as not to upset 90% of people. Its not humor anymore, its serious. Unlike you.

Well then you may have to realize that I'm being serious as well. Your arguments have been limited to "that's the way it's always been", whereas I have shown both that the bill as it stands now is in violation of the law and that the issue is easily remedied by not recognizing any religious holidays.

Unfortunately for you I had corrected it before you posted as I had seen it. GoodSnow though is not a spelling mistake, that is grammatical error through the use of a capital letter.

I fail to see how it is "unfortunate". You have merely proven that there were indeed spelling mistakes.

[The Nihilistic view]

That is the point, to have the holidays on the same days they are now so as not to upset 90% of people. Its not humor anymore, its serious. Unlike you.

Well then you may have to realize that I'm being serious as well. Your arguments have been limited to "that's the way it's always been", whereas I have shown both that the bill as it stands now is in violation of the law and that the issue is easily remedied by not recognizing any religious holidays.

Unfortunately for you I had corrected it before you posted as I had seen it. GoodSnow though is not a spelling mistake, that is grammatical error through the use of a capital letter.

I fail to see how it is "unfortunate". You have merely proven that there were indeed spelling mistakes.

No its not because it if past would exempt the bill from that law, although I don't believe to breaks the law in the first place.

My argument is at least 90% of people like it the way it is and you don't care about them.

Singular and was corrected (ninja'd i believe its called) so by the time you post its not wrong, still singular because GoodSnow is the correct spelling.

[Oneracon]

No its not because it if past would exempt the bill from that law,

Which I maintain is not legal, because there is no notwithstanding clause in the SSA. If you want to make an exemption then you need to amend the SSA to allow for exemptions.

although I don't believe to breaks the law in the first place.

Recognizing the two most important Christian holidays as state holidays... I suppose in some Bizzaro World version of Aurentina it doesn't have anything to do with the government elevating one religious group over the others.

My argument is at least 90% of people like it the way it is and you don't care about them.

I do care about them, but unlike you I also care about the remaining 10% who are not being represented here.

[Unicario]

A better list would be...

New Year's Day, 1 January
World Water Day, 22 March
Independence Day, 10 April
Labour Day, 1 May
World Oceans Day, 8 June
Liberation Day, 17 July
Youth Day, 12 August
Literacy Day, 8 September
Teachers’ Day, 5 October
Remembrance Day, 11 November
Winter Bank Holiday 21 December - 26 December
New Year's Eve, 31 December

I actually kind of like this one.

[Battlion]

What the hell is World Water Day?

Literacy, Teacher, Youth Day, World Oceans? This isn't a school lesson, it's ridiculous some of these reasons for Bank Holidays... They're meant to be national days of rest with a reason... What is your reason for Literacy Day? Because people can read?

What is the reason for Teacher Day? Because we have some good teachers?

Youth Day? I almost give up

The Xmas solution I could go for, the rest are just bloody stupid and seem to be there for the sake of it.

[Oneracon]

What the hell is World Water Day?

Per UN General Assembly Resolution 47/193 it is a day to promote public awareness of water issues in the world, especially important given that we are a small island that has limited supplies of fresh water due to our size.

And world Oceans Day is important for the same reason, we are an island nation that has a vested interest in keeping oceans clean and at their natural levels.

What is your reason for Literacy Day? Because people can read?

To promote literacy and the right to an education.

What is the reason for Teachers' Day? Because we have some good teachers?

To give recognition where it's due to educators, the stewards of our most precious national resource.

Youth Day? I almost give up

To promote the rights of youth both in Aurentina and in other nations around the world.

The Xmas solution I could go for, the rest are just bloody stupid and seem to be there for the sake of it.

You just described all bank holidays. I personally find these are more concrete and productive than recognizing the birth and death of a mythological figure.

[Battlion]

What the hell is World Water Day?

Per UN General Assembly Resolution 47/193 it is a day to promote public awareness of water issues in the world, especially important given that we are a small island that has limited supplies of fresh water due to our size.

And world Oceans Day is important for the same reason, we are an island nation that has a vested interest in keeping oceans clean and at their natural levels.

What is your reason for Literacy Day? Because people can read?

To promote literacy and the right to an education.

What is the reason for Teachers' Day? Because we have some good teachers?

To give recognition where it's due to educators, the stewards of our most precious national resource.

Youth Day? I almost give up

To promote the rights of youth both in Aurentina and in other nations around the world.

The Xmas solution I could go for, the rest are just bloody stupid and seem to be there for the sake of it.

You just described all bank holidays. I personally find these are more concrete and productive than recognizing the birth and death of a mythological figure.

So, we give people a day off for Water Awareness?

We give them a day off from school and work to promote literacy? (the logic is flawless here totally)

We give them a day off because we have teachers like every other nation?

We give them a day off because young people have been born and have rights?

Not justified enough to warrant a day off or celebration tbh

[Oneracon]

So, we give people a day off for Water Awareness?

Yes, it's a growing issue as climate change puts increasing stress on global water supplies.

We give them a day off from school and work to promote literacy? (the logic is flawless here totally)

I'm glad you think so too! Literacy begins at home and is introduced into a person's life by their parents/guardians, what better way to start than with a day that the whole family can read together.

We give them a day off because we have teachers like every other nation?

Yes, teachers deserve a day of recognition for the important work that they do.

We give them a day off because young people have been born and have rights?

Yes.

Not justified enough to warrant a day off or celebration tbh

To repeat myself: Neither is celebrating the birth and death of a mythological figure.

[Battlion]

So, we give people a day off for Water Awareness?

Yes, it's a growing issue as climate change puts increasing stress on global water supplies.

We give them a day off from school and work to promote literacy? (the logic is flawless here totally)

I'm glad you think so too! Literacy begins at home and is introduced into a person's life by their parents/guardians, what better way to start than with a day that the whole family can read together.

We give them a day off because we have teachers like every other nation?

Yes, teachers deserve a day of recognition for the important work that they do.

We give them a day off because young people have been born and have rights?

Yes.

Not justified enough to warrant a day off or celebration tbh

To repeat myself: Neither is celebrating the birth and death of a mythological figure.

1: That isn't justification for a day off, it's like "why aren't we making the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia a bank holiday?" or something that means a lot to some people. Water awareness, not really on the top of everyone's agenda.

2: It was sarcasm, and prove to me that every family would read? They wouldn't

3: There are teacher days, but they don't give everyone the day off because of it. In the UK, I had no idea this even existed so shows how much we support it huh... Worldwide Teachers days for your reference and what happens

4: saying "yes" doesn't justify it

5: Never said that was either, it's just plain unrealistic to say that Aurentina citizens cannot celebrate Bank Holidays that will have done all their lives because people are trying to effectively pursue State Atheism.

[Belmaria]

So, we give people a day off for Water Awareness?

Yes, it's a growing issue as climate change puts increasing stress on global water supplies.

We give them a day off from school and work to promote literacy? (the logic is flawless here totally)

I'm glad you think so too! Literacy begins at home and is introduced into a person's life by their parents/guardians, what better way to start than with a day that the whole family can read together.

We give them a day off because we have teachers like every other nation?

Yes, teachers deserve a day of recognition for the important work that they do.

We give them a day off because young people have been born and have rights?

Yes.

Not justified enough to warrant a day off or celebration tbh

To repeat myself: Neither is celebrating the birth and death of a mythological figure.

Even as an anti-theist I still find these remarks very chilling. The fact that we have senators who are willing to destroy the civil rights of people who disagree with them is very concerning.

[Next Washington]

hi there

i noticed some want sort of "provinces".... so i made up my mind and, as i'd also be for more de-centralizing, i drafted this bill:

DEVELOPMENT OF STATES AND REORGANISING GOVERNMENT ACT 2013

Category: Domestic | Urgency: Moderate | Sponsors:

---

Foreword
Since the Nationstates General Senate was established, it was the only government for a large nation, Aurentina. This act establishes a second, more local government. The nation shall be divided into x states, every state shall have its executive branch leaders and thereby partial independence from the Senate.

---

I. In the following, “state” shall be defined as a local and legal area within Aurentina that has a “Governor”, the head of the states executive branch as well as a “Lieutenant Governor”, who acts as the Governor’s deputy. “Basic Legislation” is defined as laws passed by the Senate that are essential for the nation. “State Senator” is defined as Senator who is citizen of a state.

II. This bill grants the states the following independence:
a. A state is not forced implement every national law. A state must approve the basic legislation passed by the Senate of Aurentina.
b. A state can hold its own elections for positions within the state government.
c. A state can implement its own legislation, as long as this does not harm the national legislation.

III. This bill grants the Governors the following rights:
a. The Governors can veto the implementation of every law passed by the national lawmakers, except for basic legislation.
b. The Governors can repeal the implementation of already implemented national legislation.
c. The Governors can veto every law that's voted on in their state.

IV. To the states:
a. There shall be x states. The "x" is defined as the total amount of senators divided by 100.
b. Once the number of senators reaches the next hundred, a new state must be founded.
c. Every state shall be allowed to pass its own laws with a simple majority vote (50%+1 vote “Aye”).
d. Every state shall be governed by the Governor as head of the executive branch and the state senate as legislative branch.
e. For the beginning, every state shall implement all national laws.
f. All parties recognized by the national government are allowed in the states too.
g. If the Governor falls incative for more than 3 days without a valid reason or excuse, or if he is impeached, the Lieutenant Governor shall serve as Governor for the rest of the period (2 months).

V. To the senators:
a. Every senator can choose a state to live in.
b. If a senator chooses no state to live in he is only allowed to participate in national government.
c. Every senator who is a citizen of a state must be listed in the state government’s topic.
d. Every state senator is allowed to participate in both state and national government.
e. State senators can overrule the Governor’s veto, either for one of the laws proposed on the state level, or for the implementation of a national law, with a 2/3 majority in the state senate.
f. The state senators can impeach the Governor with a 3/4 vote in the state senate.

V. Gubernatorial elections:
a. Every senator shall be allowed to run for governor.
b. Each party shall send one candidate into the state governor’s election. Therefore primaries can be hold in special topics.
c. Every independent senator shall be allowed to run individual.
d. Every gubernatorial candidate must choose a running mate; this person will, in the case of a win, become the Lieutenant Governor.
e. The gubernatorial elections may last for exactly 48 hours.
f. The gubernatorial elections must be announced by the current Lieutenant Governor.
g. Gubernatorial elections must take place every 2 months.
h. Every senator shall be allowed to run infinitive times.

VI. National control of the states:
a. The national government can impeach a governor with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
b. The state activities shall be overlooked by the Minister of Interior.
c. The national government can veto laws proposed on state levels with a 2/3 vote in senate and with the approval of the President and the Prime Minister.
d. The national government can declare laws “basic legislation” with a 2/3 vote in senate (if the law has been passed already).
e. Future legislation that shall be seen as “basic legislation” shall be marked with a special line saying “This law shall be implemented as basic legislation”.

---

Epilogue
We live in a complicated world and in a complicated nation. This law should increase overall satisfaction with Aurentina, participation in general as the career opportunities increase and it shall allow more individualism as different states can implement and pass laws based on their mentality. This individualized mentality between states may attract different nations, allow them to live in the state that’s laws fit their needs and interests best. Also the fact that national coalitions and beliefs do not have to be shared on the state level opens the doors for cooperations that would not be possible on national level.

also i need some more sponsors for my CRA:

Continuing Resolution Act

---

Urgency: Extremely High |Category: Finance |Sponsors: Beta Test

---

Foreword
This proposal shall introduce the creation of Continuing Resolutions (in the following "CR").
The intention of this proposal is to keep the feelings of anger and unsureness among the Aurentinian people as low as possible.

---

I.A Continuing Resolution shall be defined as:
a.Continuing Resoultions shall be passed when the fiscal period of the Aurentinan government is over and no budget is passed for the following period.
b.The CR shall grant the payment of chosen governmental liabilities until the new budget is passed.

II.The CR shall continue the payment of the following governmental liabilities:
a.Payment of governmental employees
b.Payment of national debt
c.Payment of interest rates of national debt
d.Payment of governmental consum
e.Payment of governmental organisations, insitutes and infrastructure

III.All payments should be funded by one of the following ways:
a.If the previous budget contained a security position, meaning money that is hold for events like this, money may be taken out from there.
b.If the previous budget did not contain a security position, the payments shall be paid by debt or by other ministries.

IV.To the creation of a security position:
a.The creation of a security position may be overruled by a 3/5 majority voted against it.
b.The money in the security position may be used for other, unexpected and unplanned events within a fiscal period. The usage shall be granted by a simple majority vote of the senate.

V.The CR shall be activated automatically:
a.The Minister of Finance must announce the activation of the CR on the first day of the new fisal period, when there is no budget set for the next period.
b.The Minister of Finance must control the amount of money spended and choose the departments/programs/liabilities that are paid for with this money.

---

Epilogue
This proposals shall grant all-time governmental funding for chosen parts of the governments liabilities. Even if the senate has not agreed on a budget the nation shall remain stable, the natural and juridically persons that regularly due to legal agreements receive government payment shall receive their payments and all shareholders of the government shall retain their trust into Aurtentina and its government.

[Oneracon]

1: That isn't justification for a day off, it's like "why aren't we making the International Day Against Homophobia, Biphobia and Transphobia a bank holiday?" or something that means a lot to some people. Water awareness, not really on the top of everyone's agenda.

Given that we as a nation have very limited fresh water supplies, that is something that should be rectified.

2: It was sarcasm,

I know it was sarcasm, I was merely attempting to disarm your sarcasm.

and prove to me that every family would read? They wouldn't

Prove to me that every family will celebrate Christmas... or for that matter Independence Day.

This line of logic doesn't make sense, and you know it.

There are teacher days, but they don't give everyone the day off because of it. In the UK, I had no idea this even existed so shows how much we support it huh... Worldwide Teachers days for your reference and what happens

Last time I checked we are not part of the UK, or for that matter any other country. We are free to set our own holidays.

4: saying "yes" doesn't justify it

I wasn't aware I was justifying myself to you, I was simply answering your questions.

5: Never said that was either, it's just plain unrealistic to say that Aurentina citizens cannot celebrate Bank Holidays that will have done all their lives because people are trying to effectively pursue State Atheism.

How is following the law "effectively [pursuing] State Atheism", exactly?

When a majority of this Senate passed the Secular State Act we agreed that the government shall not grant privileged status to any particular religious groups. By making the two holiest times in the (western) Christian calendar government holidays we are granting Christians privileged status.

---

Even as an anti-theist I still find these remarks very chilling. The fact that we have senators who are willing to destroy the civil rights of people who disagree with them is very concerning.

I would say giving state recognition to the two most significant Christian holy days while not doing the same for other religious groups is the destruction of civil rights, as well as a flagrant violation of the principle of separating Church and State.

[Belmaria]

Even as an anti-theist I still find these remarks very chilling. The fact that we have senators who are willing to destroy the civil rights of people who disagree with them is very concerning.

I would say giving state recognition to the two most significant Christian holy days while not doing the same for other religious groups is the destruction of civil rights, as well as a flagrant violation of the principle of separating Church and State.

Why not allow for all religions to fall under the umbrella then? And have a national atheist day to keep it fair.

[Oneracon]

I would say giving state recognition to the two most significant Christian holy days while not doing the same for other religious groups is the destruction of civil rights, as well as a flagrant violation of the principle of separating Church and State.

Why not allow for all religions to fall under the umbrella then? And have a national atheist day to keep it fair.

Because, as Nihil pointed out earlier, if we recognized even only the one or two holiest days in every religion (and even an "Atheist Day" which is a bit silly tbh ) then we would have basically no workdays and the economy would grind to a halt.

The better option is to recognize no religious holidays, but allow explicit provision that people can request religious holidays off.

[Belmaria]

Why not allow for all religions to fall under the umbrella then? And have a national atheist day to keep it fair.

Because, as Nihil pointed out earlier, if we recognized even only the one or two holiest days in every religion (and even an "Atheist Day" which is a bit silly tbh ) then we would have basically no workdays and the economy would grind to a halt.

The better option is to recognize no religious holidays, but allow explicit provision that people can request religious holidays off.

Very well. I could support that.

[Britanno]

I don't want Christmas as a national holiday because it's a religious day, I want it as one because it is a tradition. We will have had it as a holiday before independence, I don't see why we should stop a long lasting tradition. It's not favouring religion, it's supporting preservation of tradition.

[Next Washington]

any comments on my proposals?

[Battlion]

I don't want Christmas as a national holiday because it's a religious day, I want it as one because it is a tradition. We will have had it as a holiday before independence, I don't see why we should stop a long lasting tradition. It's not favouring religion, it's supporting preservation of tradition.

This, so much.

[Belmaria]

I don't want Christmas as a national holiday because it's a religious day, I want it as one because it is a tradition. We will have had it as a holiday before independence, I don't see why we should stop a long lasting tradition. It's not favouring religion, it's supporting preservation of tradition.

If we followed tradition with everything then gay marriage and abortion would still be illegal and women would not be able to vote. Change is a good thing and it's about time conservatives realize this.

[Battlion]

I don't want Christmas as a national holiday because it's a religious day, I want it as one because it is a tradition. We will have had it as a holiday before independence, I don't see why we should stop a long lasting tradition. It's not favouring religion, it's supporting preservation of tradition.

If we followed tradition with everything then gay marriage and abortion would still be illegal and women would not be able to vote. Change is a good thing and it's about time conservatives realize this.

You're telling me that it is at all realistic for people to support removing Bank Holidays that they will have experienced all their lives?

[Belmaria]

If we followed tradition with everything then gay marriage and abortion would still be illegal and women would not be able to vote. Change is a good thing and it's about time conservatives realize this.

You're telling me that it is at all realistic for people to support removing Bank Holidays that they will have experienced all their lives?

Businesses can still choose to close on those days if they wish. But in order to maintain a secular state we must not allow it to be a mandatory national holiday.

[Battlion]

You're telling me that it is at all realistic for people to support removing Bank Holidays that they will have experienced all their lives?

Businesses can still choose to close on those days if they wish. But in order to maintain a secular state we must not allow it to be a mandatory national holiday.

good luck telling citizens that the days they used to get off they will now be asked to work.

What business is going to close and give their workers a day off which they're not required to

[Belmaria]

Businesses can still choose to close on those days if they wish. But in order to maintain a secular state we must not allow it to be a mandatory national holiday.

good luck telling citizens that the days they used to get off they will now be asked to work.

What business is going to close and give their workers a day off which they're not required to

The bill should mandate that businesses allow their employees to take off religious holidays, should they request to.