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[Ainin]

Crap, I wrote the thing about Christmas. It was supposed to be about Easter, but my mind dozed off while I was writing it.

[Byzantium Imperial]

*Senator Alexander Fleesalm then ressurects himself from the dead*

*rest of post saved for when i see what the hell is being discussed*

Edit: I say dont bother making any religious holidays state holidays. If corporations want to give you a day off, they can do it themselves in regards to whatever laws we have on the matter.

[Ainin]

*Senator Alexander Fleesalm then ressurects himself from the dead*

*rest of post saved for when i see what the hell is being discussed*

Hey, you're back!

[Byzantium Imperial]

*Senator Alexander Fleesalm then ressurects himself from the dead*

*rest of post saved for when i see what the hell is being discussed*

Hey, you're back!

Indeed. But now I realize my old party has disintigrated into nothing (no suprise there) and I have 0 idea what has happened in the senate since.... August 17?

So where do i sign up for the state communes?

[The Nihilistic view]

Because there are so many different religions with holidays we would have half the year and nobody does any work. Like I have said many times before these christian holidays are enjoyed by 90% if not more of people. These are the traditional cultural holidays of western Europe, they are loved by everyone for lots of different reasons. If we look at the make up of people, over 90% are either christian or irreligious. Most of the rest have a festival over Christmas anyway.

This is our culture, of our land and our people. We don't cast aside our culture for a small minority of first generation immigrants, it is up to them to adapt to our culture when it concerns something like the holidays. If they come here they know that our traditional holidays are the ones that are celebrated nationally. Many born here who are not Christians go on to enjoy Christmas day as much as the rest of us. Everyone is of course free to take time off to celebrate holidays they wish too.

1. I said a few non-Christian holidays, not all of them.
2. They aren't all first generation immigrants, and are you aware that those of Aurentine ethnicity can convert? All people who supposedly share your "culture" are not either Christian or irreligious. You are also aware that Eastern religions have been gaining followers in the West, correct? Finally, as an immigrant, do you seriously think immigrants hate "civilized" culture?
3. Integration is not a one way street. If you want them to understand your culture, you have to make an effort to acknowledge that theirs exists.
4. Your traditional holidays will still be celebrated nationally, but two or three non-Christian holidays will be celebrated nationally as well. Are you allergic to Hanukkah celebrations, are you, Boris(used Hanukkah in this example because I don't you'll be able to make an anti-immigrant remark about Jews)?
5. What if non-Christian Aurentines want one of their holidays recognized?
6. They aren't free to do so if their employer is like you, who would likely denounce them for not following a "traditional faith" and cutting into your profits.

1) A few from each religion is a lot of bloody holidays. Or are you now doing exactly what you are complaining I support?
2) And those people are fine, its only the first generation that are likely to be bothered by the status quo, I know several people of a Muslim background who were born in the UK who enjoy Christmas. Their parents don't so much but they do.
3) Logical fallacy there, only having traditional celebrations designated as national holidays is not denying that other cultures exist.
4) What I can say for certain is that you need to re-write this point as it does not make sense currently.
5) Then as ever it will be up to democracy and the nation to decide what should be done.
6) As an Irreligious person I don't follow the traditional faith, I follow no faith. If you will read the previous pages I have frequently put across the position that it should be illegal that on national holidays for most types of businesses to be open (this would include mine). This is because I believe people should have the opportunity to have quality time with ones family free from the riggers of modern life. What I can say from this is that you are not up to speed on the discussion, personal prejudice coming out here it seems. Why would I stop somebody who still had holiday left from taking a day off?

[The Nihilistic view]

Hey, you're back!

Indeed. But now I realize my old party has disintigrated into nothing (no suprise there) and I have 0 idea what has happened in the senate since.... August 17?

So where do i sign up for the state communes?

I thought you had been taken away by those dam Spartacus league type members KGB style.

[Ainin]

Hey, you're back!

Indeed. But now I realize my old party has disintigrated into nothing (no suprise there) and I have 0 idea what has happened in the senate since.... August 17?

So where do i sign up for the state communes?

A lot of stuff has happened since you left.

AfA is gone, kapoot.
Libertarians have gone from being relatively minor parties to essentially dominating the right.
The Progressive Conservatives dissolved.
LibDems and TR merged to form the New Democrats.
USLP went kapoot as well.

[Byzantium Imperial]

1. I said a few non-Christian holidays, not all of them.
2. They aren't all first generation immigrants, and are you aware that those of Aurentine ethnicity can convert? All people who supposedly share your "culture" are not either Christian or irreligious. You are also aware that Eastern religions have been gaining followers in the West, correct? Finally, as an immigrant, do you seriously think immigrants hate "civilized" culture?
3. Integration is not a one way street. If you want them to understand your culture, you have to make an effort to acknowledge that theirs exists.
4. Your traditional holidays will still be celebrated nationally, but two or three non-Christian holidays will be celebrated nationally as well. Are you allergic to Hanukkah celebrations, are you, Boris(used Hanukkah in this example because I don't you'll be able to make an anti-immigrant remark about Jews)?
5. What if non-Christian Aurentines want one of their holidays recognized?
6. They aren't free to do so if their employer is like you, who would likely denounce them for not following a "traditional faith" and cutting into your profits.

1) A few from each religion is a lot of bloody holidays. Or are you now doing exactly what you are complaining I support?
2) And those people are fine, its only the first generation that are likely to be bothered by the status quo, I know several people of a Muslim background who were born in the UK who enjoy Christmas. Their parents don't so much but they do.
3) Logical fallacy there, only having traditional celebrations designated as national holidays is not denying that other cultures exist.
4) What I can say for certain is that you need to re-write this point as it does not make sense currently.
5) Then as ever it will be up to democracy and the nation to decide what should be done.
6) As an Irreligious person I don't follow the traditional faith, I follow no faith. If you will read the previous pages I have frequently put across the position that it should be illegal that on national holidays for most types of businesses to be open (this would include mine). This is because I believe people should have the opportunity to have quality time with ones family free from the riggers of modern life. What I can say from this is that you are not up to speed on the discussion, personal prejudice coming out here it seems.

We could just.... not celebrate religious holidays in general. We could just designate national holdays such as Victory day or Veterans day, and perhaps something along the lines of a Snow day which convienently will fall on the 25th of december.

Indeed. But now I realize my old party has disintigrated into nothing (no suprise there) and I have 0 idea what has happened in the senate since.... August 17?

So where do i sign up for the state communes?

I thought you had been taken away by those dam Spartacus league type members KGB style.

They tried, as it turns out though KGB is very.... open to charitable donations. Though it took a dam long time to walk out of Siberia....

Indeed. But now I realize my old party has disintigrated into nothing (no suprise there) and I have 0 idea what has happened in the senate since.... August 17?

So where do i sign up for the state communes?

A lot of stuff has happened since you left.

AfA is gone, kapoot.
Libertarians have gone from being relatively minor parties to essentially dominating the right.
The Progressive Conservatives dissolved.
LibDems and TR merged to form the New Democrats.
USLP went kapoot as well.

1. Expected, oh well
2. .....
3. Unfortunate
4. Espessialy unfortunate
5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Nihilistic view]

1) A few from each religion is a lot of bloody holidays. Or are you now doing exactly what you are complaining I support?
2) And those people are fine, its only the first generation that are likely to be bothered by the status quo, I know several people of a Muslim background who were born in the UK who enjoy Christmas. Their parents don't so much but they do.
3) Logical fallacy there, only having traditional celebrations designated as national holidays is not denying that other cultures exist.
4) What I can say for certain is that you need to re-write this point as it does not make sense currently.
5) Then as ever it will be up to democracy and the nation to decide what should be done.
6) As an Irreligious person I don't follow the traditional faith, I follow no faith. If you will read the previous pages I have frequently put across the position that it should be illegal that on national holidays for most types of businesses to be open (this would include mine). This is because I believe people should have the opportunity to have quality time with ones family free from the riggers of modern life. What I can say from this is that you are not up to speed on the discussion, personal prejudice coming out here it seems.

We could just.... not celebrate religious holidays in general. We could just designate national holdays such as Victory day or Veterans day, and perhaps something along the lines of a Snow day which convienently will fall on the 25th of december.

I thought you had been taken away by those dam Spartacus league type members KGB style.

They tried, as it turns out though KGB is very.... open to charitable donations. Though it took a dam long time to walk out of Siberia....

A lot of stuff has happened since you left.

AfA is gone, kapoot.
Libertarians have gone from being relatively minor parties to essentially dominating the right.
The Progressive Conservatives dissolved.
LibDems and TR merged to form the New Democrats.
USLP went kapoot as well.

1. Expected, oh well
2. .....
3. Unfortunate
4. Espessialy unfortunate
5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snow day.......hmmmm interesting, keep the traditional dates just call them something else.

Well that's good to hear, how have your vineyards been doing the last few months?

EDIT: NO NIFP anymore, I would recommend the Iron party to you instead. Of course I would enjoy having you in the new and only liberal party.

[Ainin]

1) A few from each religion is a lot of bloody holidays. Or are you now doing exactly what you are complaining I support?
2) And those people are fine, its only the first generation that are likely to be bothered by the status quo, I know several people of a Muslim background who were born in the UK who enjoy Christmas. Their parents don't so much but they do.
3) Logical fallacy there, only having traditional celebrations designated as national holidays is not denying that other cultures exist.
4) What I can say for certain is that you need to re-write this point as it does not make sense currently.
5) Then as ever it will be up to democracy and the nation to decide what should be done.
6) As an Irreligious person I don't follow the traditional faith, I follow no faith. If you will read the previous pages I have frequently put across the position that it should be illegal that on national holidays for most types of businesses to be open (this would include mine). This is because I believe people should have the opportunity to have quality time with ones family free from the riggers of modern life. What I can say from this is that you are not up to speed on the discussion, personal prejudice coming out here it seems.

We could just.... not celebrate religious holidays in general. We could just designate national holdays such as Victory day or Veterans day, and perhaps something along the lines of a Snow day which convienently will fall on the 25th of december.

I thought you had been taken away by those dam Spartacus league type members KGB style.

They tried, as it turns out though KGB is very.... open to charitable donations. Though it took a dam long time to walk out of Siberia....

A lot of stuff has happened since you left.

AfA is gone, kapoot.
Libertarians have gone from being relatively minor parties to essentially dominating the right.
The Progressive Conservatives dissolved.
LibDems and TR merged to form the New Democrats.
USLP went kapoot as well.

1. Expected, oh well
2. .....
3. Unfortunate
4. Espessialy unfortunate
5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, the USLP does have an unofficial successor, the SAP.

But the ProgCons just disappeared after rampart inactivity and never did get a noticeable successor. Its members are now all in the National Centrists and New Democrats, or chose to stay independent. A couple unofficial successors sprung up, but they never caught on and eventually got pruned by F7.

[Oneracon]

Petty insults now, Senator? That's hardly becoming.

Besides, you are dancing around the point. My point is that there are Aurentines who don't celebrate some of the holidays that we have designated as state-recognised, and that this bill prioritizes Christian holidays over others (as evidenced by the fact that the author tries to exempt that section of the bill from the SSA).

I don't celebrate Christmas in the christian way, does that mean I don't want the day off?

I have said nothing related to that. Please stay focused on the issue at hand instead of stating a pointless non sequitur.

[Byzantium Imperial]

We could just.... not celebrate religious holidays in general. We could just designate national holdays such as Victory day or Veterans day, and perhaps something along the lines of a Snow day which convienently will fall on the 25th of december.


They tried, as it turns out though KGB is very.... open to charitable donations. Though it took a dam long time to walk out of Siberia....


1. Expected, oh well
2. .....
3. Unfortunate
4. Espessialy unfortunate
5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, the USLP does have an unofficial successor, the SAP.

But the ProgCons just disappeared after rampart inactivity and never did get a noticeable successor. Its members are now all in the National Centrists and New Democrats, or chose to stay independent. A couple unofficial successors sprung up, but they never caught on and eventually got pruned by F7.

Well, at least we still have a crazy stalinist party then.
I had thought ProgCon had ressurected itself after the elections. Guess not, and guess Costa was right back in July that it would collapse....

We could just.... not celebrate religious holidays in general. We could just designate national holdays such as Victory day or Veterans day, and perhaps something along the lines of a Snow day which convienently will fall on the 25th of december.


They tried, as it turns out though KGB is very.... open to charitable donations. Though it took a dam long time to walk out of Siberia....


1. Expected, oh well
2. .....
3. Unfortunate
4. Espessialy unfortunate
5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Snow day.......hmmmm interesting, keep the traditional dates just call them something else.

Well that's good to hear, how have your vineyards been doing the last few months?

EDIT: NO NIFP anymore, I would recommend the Iron party to you instead. Of course I would enjoy having you in the new and only liberal party.

Indeed, provides an interesting legal way to scoot around it, while not offending anyone at all. Either that, or we should go the complete other way and recognize every single religious holiday known to man, so that we dont have to work

Ah the vineyards, saw them just a few hours ago. As it turns out, none of the workers realized I was gone, and the paymaster just kept going about buisness as usual (albeit now i have to pay him triple the salary and his bedroom is upstairs...). So, surprisigly well, and this years harvest was completed last week.
And il go look at parties now

[The Nihilistic view]

I don't celebrate Christmas in the christian way, does that mean I don't want the day off?

I have said nothing related to that. Please stay focused on the issue at hand.

Yes, yes you have. I don't celebrate St Patrick's day but I would want it off, did you know that almost every day of the year is a religious festival for some religion or other around the world? some just a day long others a week or even a month long. Therefore it is not possible to make them all national holidays so it is right to have the date A.Ainin has come up with as they are the holidays that over 90% of the people in this country enjoy and celebrate. Or does it not matter to you what the 90% want?

[Oneracon]

I have said nothing related to that. Please stay focused on the issue at hand.

Yes, yes you have. I don't celebrate St Patrick's day but I would want it off, did you know that almost every day of the year is a religious festival for some religion or other around the world? some just a day long others a week or even a month long. Therefore it is not possible to make them all national holidays so it is right to have the date A.

Senator... my family comes from the island of Malta so believe me I am very much aware of the plethora of feast days and holy festivals that Roman Catholicism alone has, let alone the other branches of Christianity and other religious groups.

Ainin has come up with as they are the holidays that over 90% of the people in this country enjoy and celebrate. Or does it not matter to you what the 90% want?

So the whims of 90% of the country get to dictate the lives of the other 10%? I wasn't aware that our government functioned on tyranny by majority.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well, the USLP does have an unofficial successor, the SAP.

But the ProgCons just disappeared after rampart inactivity and never did get a noticeable successor. Its members are now all in the National Centrists and New Democrats, or chose to stay independent. A couple unofficial successors sprung up, but they never caught on and eventually got pruned by F7.

Well, at least we still have a crazy stalinist party then.
I had thought ProgCon had ressurected itself after the elections. Guess not, and guess Costa was right back in July that it would collapse....

Snow day.......hmmmm interesting, keep the traditional dates just call them something else.

Well that's good to hear, how have your vineyards been doing the last few months?

EDIT: NO NIFP anymore, I would recommend the Iron party to you instead. Of course I would enjoy having you in the new and only liberal party.

Indeed, provides an interesting legal way to scoot around it, while not offending anyone at all. Either that, or we should go the complete other way and recognize every single religious holiday known to man, so that we dont have to work

Ah the vineyards, saw them just a few hours ago. As it turns out, none of the workers realized I was gone, and the paymaster just kept going about buisness as usual (albeit now i have to pay him triple the salary and his bedroom is upstairs...). So, surprisigly well, and this years harvest was completed last week.
And il go look at parties now

I think it would work quite well. Egg day, Good egg day, first Monday after egg day, Piss up day (St Patrick's) etc. Well to your second point I have been trying to say that to the bah humbugs but they don't seem to get it.

That's good to hear, I was worried that with you away the Mafia might have tried to muscle in on your business. They tend to try and do that.

[Oneracon]

I think it would work quite well. Egg day, Good egg day, first Monday after egg day, Piss up day (St Patrick's) etc. Well to your second point I have been trying to say that to the bah humbugs but they don't seem to get it.

Please grow up, Senator.

[Byzantium Imperial]

I think it would work quite well. Egg day, Good egg day, first Monday after egg day, Piss up day (St Patrick's) etc. Well to your second point I have been trying to say that to the bah humbugs but they don't seem to get it.

Please grow up, Senator.

If Boris 'grew up" as you suggested it would be a tragedy for our nation and this senate. It would like a never ending fillibuster without Cat in the Hat or Green Eggs and Ham being read aloud.

[Oneracon]

Please grow up, Senator.

If Boris 'grew up" as you suggested it would be a tragedy for our nation and this senate.

Forgive me for assuming that a man who claims to be one of this nation's leading industrialists should act like an adult.

[The Nihilistic view]

Yes, yes you have. I don't celebrate St Patrick's day but I would want it off, did you know that almost every day of the year is a religious festival for some religion or other around the world? some just a day long others a week or even a month long. Therefore it is not possible to make them all national holidays so it is right to have the date A.

Senator, my family comes from the island of Malta so believe me I am very much aware of the plethora of feast days and holy festivals that Roman Catholicism alone has.

Ainin has come up with as they are the holidays that over 90% of the people in this country enjoy and celebrate. Or does it not matter to you what the 90% want?

So the whims of 90% of the country get to dictate the lives of the other 10%? I wasn't aware that our government functioned on tyranny by majority.

So you will see how deviating from the traditional path leads us into massive problems. We have two choices, keep with what has gone before along a Anglican/protestant Christian calendar or we have all religious festivals recognised from all faiths and the ridiculous situation the ensues.


All democracy is tyranny by majority or had you not noticed that it is the bills who have more votes in favor than against that pass? Or the individuals with the most votes elected to the senate? Or that in referendums it is the side with the most votes that gets their way? Democracy is tyranny by majority by very definition. There are only Three possible forms of ruling or running a group of any kind, tyranny by majority, tyranny by minority or three anarchy.

[The Nihilistic view]

Please grow up, Senator.

If Boris 'grew up" as you suggested it would be a tragedy for our nation and this senate. It would like a never ending fillibuster without Cat in the Hat or Green Eggs and Ham being read aloud.

It would be a tragedy to life, if we all went round as the senator suggests like monotonous drones 100% serious never having fun would life be worth living? I did not realise the realms of humor and hilarity were out of bounds to adults. What a sad beige world we would live in, if only life was like one big Dr Seuss book.

[Oneracon]

So you will see how deviating from the traditional path leads us into massive problems.

Once again, I have said nothing of the sort. You do seem rather fond of putting words in my mouth.

The major difference between us and our neighbours in Malta is that Malta has a state religion, and thus there is no issue with them recognizing religious holidays as state holidays.

We have two choices, keep with what has gone before along a Anglican/protestant Christian calendar or we have all religious festivals recognised from all faiths and the ridiculous situation the ensues.

Both choices are equally ridiculous. If we kept the mentality of keeping "with what has gone before" then this nation would still be living several centuries in the past.

The solution is for the state to not recognize any religious holidays as state holidays.

All democracy is tyranny by majority or had you not noticed that it is the bills who have more votes in favor than against that pass? Or the individuals with the most votes elected to the senate? Or that in referendums it is the side with the most votes that gets their way? Democracy is tyranny by majority by very definition. There are only Three possible forms of ruling or running a group of any kind, tyranny by majority, tyranny by minority or three anarchy.

You really don't know that much about democracy then, do you?

In a proper liberal democracy the law exists to both protect people from the selfishness of their fellow citizens, and protect the people from government's tendency to become corrupted by power.

[Byzantium Imperial]

The solution is for the state to not recognize any religious holidays as state holidays.

Fair enough, that more than solves the problem.

[The Nihilistic view]

So you will see how deviating from the traditional path leads us into massive problems.

Once again, I have said nothing of the sort. You do seem rather fond of putting words in my mouth.

The major difference between us and our neighbours in Malta is that Malta has a state religion, and thus there is no issue with them recognizing religious holidays as state holidays.

We have two choices, keep with what has gone before along a Anglican/protestant Christian calendar or we have all religious festivals recognised from all faiths and the ridiculous situation the ensues.

Both choices are equally ridiculous. If we kept the mentality of keeping "with what has gone before" then this nation would still be living several centuries in the past.

The solution is for the state to not recognize any religious holidays as state holidays.

All democracy is tyranny by majority or had you not noticed that it is the bills who have more votes in favor than against that pass? Or the individuals with the most votes elected to the senate? Or that in referendums it is the side with the most votes that gets their way? Democracy is tyranny by majority by very definition. There are only Three possible forms of ruling or running a group of any kind, tyranny by majority, tyranny by minority or three anarchy.

You really don't know that much about democracy then, do you?

In a proper liberal democracy the law exists to both protect people from the selfishness of their fellow citizens, and protect the people from government's tendency to become corrupted by power.

You are the perfect example of tyranny by minority. I will here on this spot state to all those present that if a human being not of the christian faith suffers human rights abuses such a physical torture. The denial of suffrage. Or anything else as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by having the calendar of national holidays in this or any other country similar to that A.Ainin has suggested then I will give you all of my Gold and resign from the senate. To use a phrase in Vogue at present Please grow up, Senator.

As for the rest of your post the new list of state holidays are bellow so as not to recognise any religious holidays( i added an extra date in)

• Celebration day , 1 January
• Piss up Day, 17 March
• Independence Day, 10 April
• Egg Friday, Friday before Egg day
• Egg day, on the variable date generally accepted in Western Europe that sees the visit of the Egg bringing bunny.
• Egg Monday, Monday after Egg day
• Labour Day, 1 May
• Liberation Day, 17 July
• Remembrance Day, 11 November
• Snow Eve, 24 December
• Snowday, 25 December
• Day of GoodSnow, 26 December
• Celebration day Eve, 31 December

I do have one thing to add, why would one have to have no state religion to have some religious holidays?

[Oneracon]

You are the perfect example of tyranny by minority. I will here on this spot state to all those present that if a human being not of the christian faith suffers human rights abuses such a physical torture. The denial of suffrage. Or anything else as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by having the calendar of national holidays in this or any other country similar to that A.Ainin has suggested then I will give you all of my Gold and resign from the senate. To use a phrase in Vogue at present Please grow up, Senator.

Senator, I am not the one acting like a child here. I am merely suggesting that this act not violate the laws of the nation (as I have stated from the beginning) by elevating religious holidays of one group above another.

As for the rest of your post the new list of state holidays are bellow so as not to recognise any religious holidays( i added an extra date in)

-removed for the sake of brevity-

Amateurish, riddled with spelling mistakes, and not at all amusing.

A better list would be...

New Year's Day, 1 January
World Water Day, 22 March
Independence Day, 10 April
Labour Day, 1 May
World Oceans Day, 8 June
Liberation Day, 17 July
Youth Day, 12 August
Literacy Day, 8 September
Teachers’ Day, 5 October
Remembrance Day, 11 November
Winter Bank Holiday 21 December - 26 December
New Year's Eve, 31 December

[The Nihilistic view]

You are the perfect example of tyranny by minority. I will here on this spot state to all those present that if a human being not of the christian faith suffers human rights abuses such a physical torture. The denial of suffrage. Or anything else as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights by having the calendar of national holidays in this or any other country similar to that A.Ainin has suggested then I will give you all of my Gold and resign from the senate. To use a phrase in Vogue at present Please grow up, Senator.

Senator, I am not the one acting like a child here. I am merely suggesting that this act not violate the laws of the nation (as I have stated from the beginning) by elevating religious holidays of one group above another.

As for the rest of your post the new list of state holidays are bellow so as not to recognise any religious holidays( i added an extra date in)

-removed for the sake of brevity-

Amateurish, riddled with spelling mistakes, and not at all amusing.

A better list would be...

-removed for the sake of brevity-

Amateurish, riddled with spelling mistakes, and not at all amusing.

See I can do it too. Oh and there are no spelling mistakes in my days btw.