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[The Nihilistic view]

How does one achieve a qualification?

They demonstrate that they understand what the job entails, they are able to perform the tasks of their job, and that they have relevant prior experience.

No exams needed.

So you propose that under a system you propose to get a job one would need prior experience in the job they are applying for, yet have never had a job before. Would be able to perform tasks that they have never done before . Understand there job without ever having done it?

What a system! You get double F from me.

Exams are needed because they show how capable an individual is at understanding different concepts, how well they work under pressure. The level of their comprehension, critical thinking and analytical skills and their desire to work hard and effort levels.

[Battlion]

Well that pushes out those applying for their first job, no relevant prior experience.

That's what volunteering and internship is for.

The Bill doesn't abolish exams, merely makes them fragmented and not available as any comparison to another nation.

I have no issue with classes having exams, but not standardized. Teachers should be teaching to the students and not the test.

That assumes that everyone will be able to volunteer and will get internships, which everybody won't... any claim that this government or any government will do that is deluded.

And additionally, you're ignoring the point that without any uniformity the exams don't bring equal footing to students which is the most important point and not a standardized v non-standardized debate.

[The Nihilistic view]

Well that pushes out those applying for their first job, no relevant prior experience.

That's what volunteering and internship is for.

The Bill doesn't abolish exams, merely makes them fragmented and not available as any comparison to another nation.

I have no issue with classes having exams, but not standardized. Teachers should be teaching to the students and not the test.

How does one get an internship without prior experience, considering they are applied to in the same way as for a normal job you have exactly the same problem.

Volunteer? Surely a red-green is not suggesting a route for private firms to employ people for free as "Volunteers"?

[Oneracon]

They demonstrate that they understand what the job entails, they are able to perform the tasks of their job, and that they have relevant prior experience.

No exams needed.

So you propose that under a system you propose to get a job one would need prior experience in the job they are applying for, (1) yet have never had a job before. (2) Would be able to perform tasks that they have never done before . (3) Understand there job without ever having done it?

1. Internships and volunteering
2. Similar and analogous tasks
3. All you need to understand the job is to prove you understand what is involved, doing it is immaterial

Exams are needed because they show how capable an individual is at understanding different concepts, how well they work under pressure. The level of their comprehension, critical thinking and analytical skills and their desire to work hard and effort levels.

As I stated before: exams are fine, standardized national exams are not.

Volunteer? Surely a red-green is not suggesting a route for private firms to employ people for free as "Volunteers"?

As much as I'm sure you'd like another excuse to not pay your workers that is in no way what I am saying.

A national volunteering program would allow students to gain valuable experience and demonstrate responsibility by assisting in their communities.

[The Nihilistic view]

So you propose that under a system you propose to get a job one would need prior experience in the job they are applying for, (1) yet have never had a job before. (2) Would be able to perform tasks that they have never done before . (3) Understand there job without ever having done it?

1. Internships and volunteering
2. Similar and analogous tasks
3. All you need to understand the job is to prove you understand what is involved, doing it is immaterial

Exams are needed because they show how capable an individual is at understanding different concepts, how well they work under pressure. The level of their comprehension, critical thinking and analytical skills and their desire to work hard and effort levels.

As I stated before: exams are fine, standardized national exams are not.

Because? You keep saying their not but have yet to come up with one overriding reason other than "because I think so."

[The Nihilistic view]

So you propose that under a system you propose to get a job one would need prior experience in the job they are applying for, (1) yet have never had a job before. (2) Would be able to perform tasks that they have never done before . (3) Understand there job without ever having done it?

1. Internships and volunteering
2. Similar and analogous tasks
3. All you need to understand the job is to prove you understand what is involved, doing it is immaterial

Exams are needed because they show how capable an individual is at understanding different concepts, how well they work under pressure. The level of their comprehension, critical thinking and analytical skills and their desire to work hard and effort levels.

As I stated before: exams are fine, standardized national exams are not.

Volunteer? Surely a red-green is not suggesting a route for private firms to employ people for free as "Volunteers"?

As much as I'm sure you'd like another excuse to not pay your workers that is in no way what I am saying.

A national volunteering program would allow students to gain valuable experience and demonstrate responsibility by assisting in their communities.

so yet another route for people to not gain the relevant experience to get a job in their chosen career unless its to sweep the streets, mow the grass or do charity work.

[Oneracon]

1. Internships and volunteering
2. Similar and analogous tasks
3. All you need to understand the job is to prove you understand what is involved, doing it is immaterial

As I stated before: exams are fine, standardized national exams are not.

Because? You keep saying their not but have yet to come up with one overriding reason other than "because I think so."

Standardized national exams are a terrible idea because you ultimately will create a system where teachers teach to the test instead of the students.

The education system will become so obsessed with having their students do well on the exam that they will ignore peripheral material and other teaching opportunities, instead forcing factoids into the students heads to be regurgitated in the proper way along with every other student come exam time.

[The Nihilistic view]

Because? You keep saying their not but have yet to come up with one overriding reason other than "because I think so."

Standardized national exams are a terrible idea because you ultimately will create a system where teachers teach to the test instead of the students.

The education system will become so obsessed with having their students do well on the exam that they will ignore peripheral material and other teaching opportunities, instead forcing factoids into the students heads to be regurgitated in the proper way along with every other student come exam time.

The way to do that is to go back to a system of essay questions that are fairly open ended in scope allowing for a number of approaches with marks available for ingenuity and originality in answers. Set nationally of course.

[Oneracon]

Standardized national exams are a terrible idea because you ultimately will create a system where teachers teach to the test instead of the students.

The education system will become so obsessed with having their students do well on the exam that they will ignore peripheral material and other teaching opportunities, instead forcing factoids into the students heads to be regurgitated in the proper way along with every other student come exam time.

The way to do that is to go back to a system of essay questions that are fairly open ended in scope allowing for a number of approaches with marks available for ingenuity and originality in answers. Set nationally of course.

Then prepare for massive accusations of bias, given the subjective nature of essay questions.

[Battlion]

Because? You keep saying their not but have yet to come up with one overriding reason other than "because I think so."

Standardized national exams are a terrible idea because you ultimately will create a system where teachers teach to the test instead of the students.

The education system will become so obsessed with having their students do well on the exam that they will ignore peripheral material and other teaching opportunities, instead forcing factoids into the students heads to be regurgitated in the proper way along with every other student come exam time.

Well take away the focus of marking away from "basic answers" to more developed answers showing individual research. You're arguing points that can easily be addressed within the system you oppose, yes they could possibly ignore it but then shouldn't headteachers or regulators step in and say something?

Have the national tests, promote individual research and debate, allow teachers to expand beyond the minimum requirement and everyone gets what they want and students get a good united education.

I really cannot support any bill that fragments education and I don't see how anyone else can either, but you still have failed to address the point of "thousands of exams, all different in quality, content and marking guidelines disadvantaging everyone" and say "These exams are bad because I think they are".

[Ainin]

Liberty Isle Act
Sponsors: Soviet Canuckistan [NDP], Unicario [RG], Oneracon [RG], NEO Rome Republic [NDP], Battlion [NDP]
Urgency: High | SIMBEDS: International Relations

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

[Oneracon]

I really cannot support any bill that fragments education and I don't see how anyone else can either, but you still have failed to address the point of "thousands of exams, all different in quality, content and marking guidelines disadvantaging everyone" and say "These exams are bad because I think they are".

If we set a national curriculum, marking guidelines and content would be taken care of.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Liberty Isle Act

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Will sponsor as Rhinoceros Party member, not as an NDP.

[Unicario]

Liberty Isle Act

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Will sponsor.

Sponsor.

[The Nihilistic view]

The way to do that is to go back to a system of essay questions that are fairly open ended in scope allowing for a number of approaches with marks available for ingenuity and originality in answers. Set nationally of course.

Then prepare for massive accusations of bias, given the subjective nature of essay questions.

Get properly trained teachers and this is not a problem. I don't apologise for idiots getting 3-4% in a far more challenging exam. Write a shit answer get a shit mark.

[The Nihilistic view]

Liberty Isle Act

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Haha, why Canada though? Why not Iran?

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Liberty Isle Act

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Haha, why Canada though? Why not Iran?

Aurentina needs a nearby Tim Hortons.

[Battlion]

I really cannot support any bill that fragments education and I don't see how anyone else can either, but you still have failed to address the point of "thousands of exams, all different in quality, content and marking guidelines disadvantaging everyone" and say "These exams are bad because I think they are".

If we set a national curriculum, marking guidelines and content would be taken care of.

Again, thousands of exams damages the reputation.

[Oneracon]

Liberty Isle Act

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Haha, why Canada though? Why not Iran?

It's a thank you for all Canada does in the Commonwealth of Nations (largest non-British funding contributor).

[Neo Rome Republic]

Liberty Isle Act
Sponsors: Soviet Canuckistan [NDP], Unicario [RG]

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Ill sponsor.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Liberty Isle Act

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Have you stopped to think that maybe not every inhabitant of the island is armed? Since when did tax evasion count as an act of terrorism?

[Oneracon]

If we set a national curriculum, marking guidelines and content would be taken care of.

Again, thousands of exams damages the reputation.

How, per se, does it damage reputation?

[Ainin]

Liberty Isle Act

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The Senate of the Aurentine Commonwealth,

Affirming that the current occupants of the island are terrorists,

Noting that Aurentina has no use for the aforementioned island,

Hereby gives it to Canada, eh?

Have you stopped to think that maybe not every inhabitant of the island is armed? Since when did tax evasion count as an act of terrorism?

Have you stopped to think that maybe this is a joke bill?

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Have you stopped to think that maybe not every inhabitant of the island is armed? Since when did tax evasion count as an act of terrorism?

Have you stopped to think that maybe this is a joke bill?

SHHHHHHHHHHH!

[Battlion]

I'll also sponsor the Liberty Isle Act, although I'd prefer every Senator on that Isle arrested and put on trial for their role in a botched terrorist attack.