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[The Nihilistic view]

Exams must be set by the teacher? What kind of joke exam system are you running here?

It makes little sense to mandate a nationwide exam, as there will be many classrooms where students may not understand the materials as well. There will still be a national curriculum, but the teachers shall be given the right to make their own exams.

Then what is the point. Businesses wont recognize a set of exams that will vary widely in scope. This will only serve to widen the gulf between rich and poor even more.

[Battlion]

Must say I don't agree with a fully teacher-led exam system... it's a dangerous move and I can't sponsor the act with the concerns I have.

Hopefully, in the future we can debate this fully but any educational plan needs to ensure rigorous examination which is fair to all and I worry that a non-uniformity exam system could very well under-value our education system.

Make your reservations heard, I'd like to know why you disagree with a teacher-level exam.

I hate to say it, but I must agree with Senator Johnson on the regard that our qualifications will be so varied in scope, content and difficulty that a qualification in one side of Aurentina may not be even valid in the other.

I agree with teachers having more input into our examination content, but not to the full extent where they decide what is in an exam that goes on a CV that affects someone's whole life. Some uniformity is really needed, and unless this is addressed I really can't support the bill and it's a shame because the rest of the bill is extremely honourable.

[The Nihilistic view]

Make your reservations heard, I'd like to know why you disagree with a teacher-level exam.

I hate to say it, but I must agree with Senator Johnson on the regard that our qualifications will be so varied in scope, content and difficulty that a qualification in one side of Aurentina may not be even valid in the other.

I agree with teachers having more input into our examination content, but not to the full extent where they decide what is in an exam that goes on a CV that affects someone's whole life. Some uniformity is really needed, and unless this is addressed I really can't support the bill and it's a shame because the rest of the bill is extremely honourable.

Yes teachers should help decide but then that advice should be put together in one national exam with the help of the nations chief academics and learning specialists.

[Maklohi Vai]

I must agree that I would prefer some national standards to be met, i.e. to have them established by this bill, but I don't think national exams are the way to go. Some standards should be set, but we shouldn't be creating a complete and concrete national exam.

[The Nihilistic view]

I must agree that I would prefer some national standards to be met, i.e. to have them established by this bill, but I don't think national exams are the way to go. Some standards should be set, but we shouldn't be creating a complete and concrete national exam.

Without a national exam that all students set no educational system can be considered credible.

[Oneracon]

I must agree that I would prefer some national standards to be met, i.e. to have them established by this bill, but I don't think national exams are the way to go. Some standards should be set, but we shouldn't be creating a complete and concrete national exam.

Without a national exam that all students set no educational system can be considered credible.

Standardized tests are not the solution.

[The Nihilistic view]

Without a national exam that all students set no educational system can be considered credible.

Standardized tests are not the solution.

Well good luck building a competitive workforce and encouraging job creation in this nation when firms have no idea of the relative capabilities between two applicant's.

[Battlion]

I must agree that I would prefer some national standards to be met, i.e. to have them established by this bill, but I don't think national exams are the way to go. Some standards should be set, but we shouldn't be creating a complete and concrete national exam.

Oh no, not a concrete exam where "this is all there is, that is final"... It should be flexible to change and contain rigorous testing that challenges students to understand content and not simply cater exams to a lower standard for the sake of some which as much as I'm sure we'd like to deny will actually happen if the bill as it currently is will pass.

We should work with teachers but we shouldn't solely rely on them, bring every stakeholder into the process... Teachers, Business, Parents, Students, Politicians, Academic Specialists to build a sustainable system that everyone can agree with instead of constant tweaking with any change in government.

[Battlion]

Without a national exam that all students set no educational system can be considered credible.

Standardized tests are not the solution.

Thousands of different exams set at different levels are not the solution either.

[Oneracon]

Standardized tests are not the solution.

Thousands of different exams set at different levels are not the solution either.

Why not just have a standard nation-wide curriculum and leave it at that?

I don't think we should be shoving students from around the country all into one box.

[The Nihilistic view]

Thousands of different exams set at different levels are not the solution either.

Why not just have a standard nation-wide curriculum and leave it at that?

I don't think we should be shoving students from around the country all into one box.

Why do you want a hippie system in a globalised world?

[Oneracon]

Why not just have a standard nation-wide curriculum and leave it at that?

I don't think we should be shoving students from around the country all into one box.

Why do you want a hippie system in a globalised world?

I fail to see the relevance of that statement.

[The Nihilistic view]

Why do you want a hippie system in a globalised world?

I fail to see the relevance of that statement.

The idea to have no national exams is a 60's hippie approach to education. Why do you want this? Clearly equipping young people for the task of getting a job is not at the forefront of your mind.

[Oneracon]

I fail to see the relevance of that statement.

The idea to have no national exams is a 60's hippie approach to education. Why do you want this? Clearly equipping young people for the task of getting a job is not at the forefront of your mind.

What exactly does doing exams have to do with a job?

They are purely a construct of the education system and have no relevance to the working world.

[Katepano]

While I appreciate the sentiment of the Second Education Plan, I have to say that Section II on dropping out is a bit absurd without some sort of age cap. We're not really going to compel 25 year olds to continue in high school or trade school if they refuse? At some point we have to say that the state has made a good faith effort at educating its citizens.

[box][align=center]The Second Education Plan
II. Dropping Out
Henceforth, the act of "dropping out" of school shall be immediately banned. All students will be expected to finish their high school education. Those that believe they cannot shall be given the option of transferring to a state-sponsored trade school, where they will finish with a diploma-equivalent upon finishing their chosen career course.

Students who have dropped out of high school in the last five years, and do not possess a GED or a high-school diploma equivalent, shall be mandated to return to class at the earliest registration date, and complete their education.

[Battlion]

The idea to have no national exams is a 60's hippie approach to education. Why do you want this? Clearly equipping young people for the task of getting a job is not at the forefront of your mind.

What exactly does doing exams have to do with a job?

They are purely a construct of the education system and have no relevance to the working world.

But the bill doesn't remove exams, merely remove any standard line set for all.

Education should put everyone at the same footing as a minimum, if each teacher can set a different exam from the other then content, skills and the level of marking will be significantly different from teacher to teacher and I cannot see how that is fair to all students.

Let's imagine the life of Timmy, a competent student who sits a History exam set by his teacher... His responses are lacking in detail, lack critical analysis but shows he has a basic grasp of the content, he fails this exam and this is what he must put on his CV and makes him less employable.

Now, the life of Sammy, a not as competent student who sits a History exam set by the teacher. Sammy's responses are more detailed than Timmy's, show critical analysis and show a good grasp of the content, however Sammy can still fail the exam despite answers being better.

I agree, shoving everyone in one box is bad but we can't abandon it completely we need some elements of the standardized system otherwise you compromise our education system and it's effectiveness.

[The Nihilistic view]

The idea to have no national exams is a 60's hippie approach to education. Why do you want this? Clearly equipping young people for the task of getting a job is not at the forefront of your mind.

What exactly does doing exams have to do with a job?

They are purely a construct of the education system and have no relevance to the working world.

*Looks at job application of 18 year old school leaver*

*See's one applicant with straight A's in IGCSE's and A-Levels*

*See's another with straight A's from some of the Banana Aurentine Commonwealth Republic's 400,000 different exams in the same subjects*

*Wonders who to pick*

Who would you pick?

[New Zepuha]

I must agree that I would prefer some national standards to be met, i.e. to have them established by this bill, but I don't think national exams are the way to go. Some standards should be set, but we shouldn't be creating a complete and concrete national exam.

Politicians need to stay out of mandating anything for education. We set a liquid guideline that teachers and educators can adjust to suit their needs and requirements.

[Oneracon]

What exactly does doing exams have to do with a job?

They are purely a construct of the education system and have no relevance to the working world.

*Looks at job application of 18 year old school leaver*

*See's one applicant with straight A's in IGCSE's and A-Levels*

*See's another with straight A's from some of the Banana Aurentine Commonwealth Republic's 400,000 different exams in the same subjects*

*Wonders who to pick*

Who would you pick?

I would pick whoever is most qualified. Grades have nothing to do with it.

[The Nihilistic view]

While I appreciate the sentiment of the Second Education Plan, I have to say that Section II on dropping out is a bit absurd without some sort of age cap. We're not really going to compel 25 year olds to continue in high school or trade school if they refuse? At some point we have to say that the state has made a good faith effort at educating its citizens.

[box][align=center]The Second Education Plan
II. Dropping Out
Henceforth, the act of "dropping out" of school shall be immediately banned. All students will be expected to finish their high school education. Those that believe they cannot shall be given the option of transferring to a state-sponsored trade school, where they will finish with a diploma-equivalent upon finishing their chosen career course.

Students who have dropped out of high school in the last five years, and do not possess a GED or a high-school diploma equivalent, shall be mandated to return to class at the earliest registration date, and complete their education.

Secondly if they drop out then clearly academic education is not for them. There is no point in wasting their time.

[The Nihilistic view]

*Looks at job application of 18 year old school leaver*

*See's one applicant with straight A's in IGCSE's and A-Levels*

*See's another with straight A's from some of the Banana Aurentine Commonwealth Republic's 400,000 different exams in the same subjects*

*Wonders who to pick*

Who would you pick?

I would pick whoever is most qualified. Grades have nothing to do with it.

How does one achieve a qualification?

[Oneracon]

I would pick whoever is most qualified. Grades have nothing to do with it.

How does one achieve a qualification?

They demonstrate that they understand what the job entails, they are able to perform the tasks of their job, and that they have relevant prior experience.

No exams needed.

[Skeckoa]

Protection of Child Immigrants Act

Sponsors: Dunstan (ND), Dragonomere (NASA), NEO Rome Republic (ND), Central and Eastern Visayas (Ind) ; Category: Order ; Priority: Moderate

This bill hereby mandates that all Immigrants who comply with the following parameters immediately be given the option to apply for legal status as residents of Aurentina, and set on the path to citizenship.

As permanent residents, these immigrants will be subject to the same process to citizenship that other immigrants of that status are subject to, as well as the safeguards, most importantly the shedding of the threat of deportation, unless first charged with a serious felony.

THE PARAMETERS:
1. The immigrant in question has to have first immigrated to Aurentina before the date of six months before the passing of this bill.
1a. The immigrant in question has to have not been deported from the country after this date.
2. The immigrant in question had to have arrived to the country of Aurentina before their eighteenth birthday.
3. The immigrant in question has to have (1a) Earned their Aurentina Department of Education granted Diploma or (2a) have served in the Aurentine Armed Forces for a minimum of 12 months.
3a. Immigrants in question that are serving in the Aurentina Armed Forces at the time of the signing of this bill, and had began to serve at least six months before the signing of the bill, upon application for Permanent Resident will be exempted from the twelve month minimum time limit.
3aa. This exemplary status will be revoked if the immigrant in question is discharged from their particular division of the Armed Force for whatever reason.
4. The immigrant in question must be living in Aurentina to have their application be considered for acceptance.
4a. Students attending higher education in other countries shall be exempted from this parameter.
5. At no point in their lifetime should these immigrants have been charged of a serious felony or crime that would have merited the deportation of immigrants with legal status.
6. The immigrant in question must not be incarcerated in an Aurentine prison in order for their application to be considered.

Sponsers???

What is the point? Plus this bill alludes to several things illegal under international law. Such as the employment of child soldiers.

To clear up the confusion, the targeted demographic in this bill are not necessarily immigrant children, but people who came to the island as children, so that can include people who were brought as children decades ago, and would therefore be over 18 and eligible to go into the Armed Forces legally.

[Battlion]

How does one achieve a qualification?

They demonstrate that they understand what the job entails, they are able to perform the tasks of their job, and that they have relevant prior experience.

No exams needed.

Well that pushes out those applying for their first job, no relevant prior experience.

The Bill doesn't abolish exams, merely makes them fragmented and not available as any comparison to another nation.

[Oneracon]

They demonstrate that they understand what the job entails, they are able to perform the tasks of their job, and that they have relevant prior experience.

No exams needed.

Well that pushes out those applying for their first job, no relevant prior experience.

That's what volunteering and internship is for.

The Bill doesn't abolish exams, merely makes them fragmented and not available as any comparison to another nation.

I have no issue with classes having exams, but not standardized. Teachers should be teaching to the students and not the test.