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Postby Unicario » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:44 am

Some of the language seems a bit more complex than it needs to be, and yeah, you can help with it, I'm still putting it together.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:46 am

Unicario wrote:Some of the language seems a bit more complex than it needs to be, and yeah, you can help with it, I'm still putting it together.


Plus choosable is not a word in the English language. Ironic considering it's an education bill. :lol:
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Postby Unicario » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:53 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Unicario wrote:Some of the language seems a bit more complex than it needs to be, and yeah, you can help with it, I'm still putting it together.


Plus choosable is not a word in the English language. Ironic considering it's an education bill. :lol:

and that
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Postby Fulflood » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:56 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Unicario wrote:Some of the language seems a bit more complex than it needs to be, and yeah, you can help with it, I'm still putting it together.


Plus choosable is not a word in the English language. Ironic considering it's an education bill. :lol:

Ironic considering you used the word "Alcahol" in a bill title within the last 48 hours.
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Postby Kamchastkia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:57 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Unicario wrote:Some of the language seems a bit more complex than it needs to be, and yeah, you can help with it, I'm still putting it together.


Plus choosable is not a word in the English language. Ironic considering it's an education bill. :lol:

Quite ironic that you don't know English either and you are from GB.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:59 am

Fulflood wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Plus choosable is not a word in the English language. Ironic considering it's an education bill. :lol:

Ironic considering you used the word "Alcahol" in a bill title within the last 48 hours.


It would be... if it was a bill about education, I don't think it was though was it?......................... :palm:


EDIT: In fact given the bill subject I was obviously in the Aurentina Arms when I wrote it. :p
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Postby Next Washington » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:02 am

as i mentioned some times before, i'm from austria... but i'm always happy to learn, so thanks for the hint
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:05 am

Next Washington wrote:as i mentioned some times before, i'm from austria... but i'm always happy to learn, so thanks for the hint


No worries, I don't agree with the bill in the first place. Time should fit around a specified curriculum not the curriculum fitted around a predetermined time period.
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Postby Next Washington » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:13 am

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Next Washington wrote:as i mentioned some times before, i'm from austria... but i'm always happy to learn, so thanks for the hint


No worries, I don't agree with the bill in the first place. Time should fit around a specified curriculum not the curriculum fitted around a predetermined time period.


so you say there should be a minimum number of school years (eg 9 or 10) and let each student decide if he wants to leave or to continue up to 12 years?
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:22 am

Next Washington wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
No worries, I don't agree with the bill in the first place. Time should fit around a specified curriculum not the curriculum fitted around a predetermined time period.


so you say there should be a minimum number of school years (eg 9 or 10) and let each student decide if he wants to leave or to continue up to 12 years?


I mean how many hours a week one has lessons in a subject or overall. There should not be a minimum, there should first be a curriculum in each subject mandated to be taught. Then each school work's out how to fit in the national curriculum to the time available.


Although on that subject school after 16 should not mandatory, those who are academically hopeless should be released to learn trades and take on apprenticeships.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:26 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Next Washington wrote:
so you say there should be a minimum number of school years (eg 9 or 10) and let each student decide if he wants to leave or to continue up to 12 years?


Although on that subject school after 16 should not mandatory, those who are academically hopeless should be released to learn trades and take on apprenticeships.

I'd support vocational education and apprenticeships. It's better than having a group of students drop out to pursue no further education.
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Postby New Waterford » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:37 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Fulflood wrote:Ironic considering you used the word "Alcahol" in a bill title within the last 48 hours.


It would be... if it was a bill about education, I don't think it was though was it?......................... :palm:


EDIT: In fact given the bill subject I was obviously in the Aurentina Arms when I wrote it. :p

It doesn't matter whether it was an education bill or not. Spelling, punctuation and grammar are still important.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:44 am

New Waterford wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
It would be... if it was a bill about education, I don't think it was though was it?......................... :palm:


EDIT: In fact given the bill subject I was obviously in the Aurentina Arms when I wrote it. :p

It doesn't matter whether it was an education bill or not. Spelling, punctuation and grammar are still important.


I am not saying its not important, just that it's not ironic in the slightest.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:46 am

Organ Donation and Transplantation Act
Urgency: High | Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Health
Co-sponsors: Oneracon(RG), Malgrave(MSP), New Zepuha(NDP), Britanno(NDP), The Nihilistic View(NDP)

Preamble
Recognizing that organ transplantation is a life-saving medical procedure, but there are insufficient organs available. Regulations must also be in place to ensure that the supply of donated organs is used as effectively as possible,

Understanding that measures must be taken to increase the supply of donated organs,

Hereby passes the Organ Donation and Transplantation Act.


Section 1 - Definitions
"Trained medical professional" or "medical practitioner" shall be defined as a medical doctor who is practicing with a license.

"Legal death" shall be defined as the irreversible cessation of brain and/or heart and lung activity.

Section 2 - National Transplant Organization
1. The National Transplant Organization (NTO) shall be established within the Ministry of Health. The NTO shall be responsible for coordinating the activities of donation, extraction, preservation, distribution, exchange, and transplantation of organs, tissues and cells within the Aurentine healthcare system.
2. The NTO shall create a code of safety and ethics to be followed during organ harvesting and transplantation, in addition to the provisions of this legislation.
3. The NTO shall create a national database where information about organs available to be harvested and recipients is available to medical practitioners.

Section 3 - Organ Donation
1. A presumed consent system of organ donation shall be establish, where consent to postmortem organ donation shall be presumed, but individuals shall be able to opt-out through a variety of mechanisms designed by the NTO, such as through the Internet or by phone.
2. All donations must be performed by trained medical professionals.
3. Living donors shall be evaluated to determine suitability to donate based on the possible psychological and physical responses to the donation process.
4. Organs must be examined to determine their suitability for donation.
5. Family members may object to the donation if they can show that the deceased would not have wanted to become an organ donor.
6. In the case of postmortem donation, organs may begin to be removed after the onset of legal death.
7. The NTO shall preserve and transport donated organs to the locations where they are needed.

Section 4 - Recipients
1. Information about potential organ recipients shall be posted to the NTO database.
2. Potential recipients shall be prioritized based on need as determined by a medical professional.
3. A person shall be declared a potential recipient if a new organ has the potential to measurably improve their health.

Section 5 - Incentives
1. A public awareness campaign to encourage living organ donation shall be carried out by the NTO.
2. Living donors shall be compensated by the government for transportation costs and lost salary.

Any more comments or suggestions on this?
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:47 am

Geilinor wrote:
Organ Donation and Transplantation Act
Urgency: High | Author: Geilinor [NDP] | Category: Health
Co-sponsors: Oneracon(RG), Malgrave(MSP), New Zepuha(NDP), Britanno(NDP), The Nihilistic View(NDP)

Preamble
Recognizing that organ transplantation is a life-saving medical procedure, but there are insufficient organs available. Regulations must also be in place to ensure that the supply of donated organs is used as effectively as possible,

Understanding that measures must be taken to increase the supply of donated organs,

Hereby passes the Organ Donation and Transplantation Act.


Section 1 - Definitions
"Trained medical professional" or "medical practitioner" shall be defined as a medical doctor who is practicing with a license.

"Legal death" shall be defined as the irreversible cessation of brain and/or heart and lung activity.

Section 2 - National Transplant Organization
1. The National Transplant Organization (NTO) shall be established within the Ministry of Health. The NTO shall be responsible for coordinating the activities of donation, extraction, preservation, distribution, exchange, and transplantation of organs, tissues and cells within the Aurentine healthcare system.
2. The NTO shall create a code of safety and ethics to be followed during organ harvesting and transplantation, in addition to the provisions of this legislation.
3. The NTO shall create a national database where information about organs available to be harvested and recipients is available to medical practitioners.

Section 3 - Organ Donation
1. A presumed consent system of organ donation shall be establish, where consent to postmortem organ donation shall be presumed, but individuals shall be able to opt-out through a variety of mechanisms designed by the NTO, such as through the Internet or by phone.
2. All donations must be performed by trained medical professionals.
3. Living donors shall be evaluated to determine suitability to donate based on the possible psychological and physical responses to the donation process.
4. Organs must be examined to determine their suitability for donation.
5. Family members may object to the donation if they can show that the deceased would not have wanted to become an organ donor.
6. In the case of postmortem donation, organs may begin to be removed after the onset of legal death.
7. The NTO shall preserve and transport donated organs to the locations where they are needed.

Section 4 - Recipients
1. Information about potential organ recipients shall be posted to the NTO database.
2. Potential recipients shall be prioritized based on need as determined by a medical professional.
3. A person shall be declared a potential recipient if a new organ has the potential to measurably improve their health.

Section 5 - Incentives
1. A public awareness campaign to encourage living organ donation shall be carried out by the NTO.
2. Living donors shall be compensated by the government for transportation costs and lost salary.

Any more comments or suggestions on this?


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Postby New Waterford » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:48 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Waterford wrote:It doesn't matter whether it was an education bill or not. Spelling, punctuation and grammar are still important.


I am not saying its not important, just that it's not ironic in the slightest.

It is ironic, however, that you corrected someone's spelling when you have committed a spelling error yourself.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:53 am

New Waterford wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
I am not saying its not important, just that it's not ironic in the slightest.

It is ironic, however, that you corrected someone's spelling when you have committed a spelling error yourself.


In an education bill. I don't think you get the concept of irony, especially given my post that pointed out the original irony contained no mistakes. Or do you propose it is ironic every time a teacher corrects the spelling of a pupil?

I presume you yourself have never made a spelling mistake in your life?
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Postby New Waterford » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:07 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Waterford wrote:It is ironic, however, that you corrected someone's spelling when you have committed a spelling error yourself.


In an education bill. I don't think you get the concept of irony, especially given my post that pointed out the original irony contained no mistakes. Or do you propose it is ironic every time a teacher corrects the spelling of a pupil?

I presume you yourself have never made a spelling mistake in your life?

Correction:
It is ironic, however, that you corrected someone's spelling when you have recently committed a spelling error yourself.

Almost everyone has made spelling mistakes before, including myself; however, if you are going to correct someone's spelling, it would certainly be hypocritical (and perhaps ironic) for you to have recently made a spelling mistake as well. It would be ironic for the teacher in your analogy to correct a pupil's spelling if they (the teacher) had made a spelling mistake during the lesson in which they corrected said pupil's spelling.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:11 am

New Waterford wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
In an education bill. I don't think you get the concept of irony, especially given my post that pointed out the original irony contained no mistakes. Or do you propose it is ironic every time a teacher corrects the spelling of a pupil?

I presume you yourself have never made a spelling mistake in your life?

Correction:
It is ironic, however, that you corrected someone's spelling when you have recently committed a spelling error yourself.

Almost everyone has made spelling mistakes before, including myself; however, if you are going to correct someone's spelling, it would certainly be hypocritical (and perhaps ironic) for you to have recently made a spelling mistake as well. It would be ironic for the teacher in your analogy to correct a pupil's spelling if they'd made a spelling mistake during the lesson in which they corrected said pupil's spelling.


It's not correcting spelling, it's calling them out on a word that does not exist.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:12 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
New Waterford wrote:Correction:
It is ironic, however, that you corrected someone's spelling when you have recently committed a spelling error yourself.

Almost everyone has made spelling mistakes before, including myself; however, if you are going to correct someone's spelling, it would certainly be hypocritical (and perhaps ironic) for you to have recently made a spelling mistake as well. It would be ironic for the teacher in your analogy to correct a pupil's spelling if they'd made a spelling mistake during the lesson in which they corrected said pupil's spelling.


It's not correcting spelling, it's calling them out on a word that does not exist.

The word "alcahol" does not exist either.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:16 am

Geilinor wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
It's not correcting spelling, it's calling them out on a word that does not exist.

The word "alcahol" does not exist either.


:palm:

Spelling mistake=/=creating a word that does not exist.
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Postby New Waterford » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:17 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The word "alcahol" does not exist either.


:palm:

Spelling mistake=/=creating a word that does not exist.

If it's an unrecognised spelling of a word, it may as well be a different word that does not exist.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:21 am

New Waterford wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
:palm:

Spelling mistake=/=creating a word that does not exist.

If it's an unrecognised spelling of a word, it may as well be a different word that does not exist.


A spelling mistake is when it is clear which correctly spelled word is meant to be used. Making up a word is using a collection of letters that result in the readers not knowing which correctly spelled word is meaning to be used. Normally because the author of the word intended to use said made up word in the first place.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:21 am

By the way, "choosable" is a word. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/choosable
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:28 am

Geilinor wrote:By the way, "choosable" is a word. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/choosable


I presume you missed the bill that mandated all bills must be written in English? No American English allowed.
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