NSG Senate Coffee Shop: 50% off Americanos [NSG Senate]

[Battlion]

Also, under additional note... if both acts were approved yours would become illegal anyway...

Section 1.1 - Alcohol must not be sold in any location at a price below its minimum price.

[The Nihilistic view]

Added you on Malgrave.

I am staggered by the number of left wing senators who support making life more expensive for the poorest in society.

Pretty offensive to suggest the poorest of society like to purchase lots of alcohol, the bill tackles the issue of cheap alcohol and doesn't harm responsible drinkers.

This is one of the situations where you decide whether health comes before economy, we're on the side of health... it is clear you're on the side of the economy by wanting to cut prices deliver pubs with big profits with cheap alcohol that damages lives.

I am staggered myself by your proposal to exploit citizens of Aurentina

Even as a strawman you realize that it is the poorest that buy cheap alcohol not the richest irrespective of how much one drinks. As said before the cost to myself for this policy is nothing, yet to the poor it is great. Why do I bother when it does not effect me in the slightest?

Of course it does, responsible drinkers now pay more for the same amount. Your putting the lives of a few thousand irresponsible people ahead of the lives of 40 million citizens especially that of the poorest people.

When the price of a pint is close to the minimum wage it is not cheap you great, supine, protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.

[The Nihilistic view]

Also, under additional note... if both acts were approved yours would become illegal anyway...

Section 1.1 - Alcohol must not be sold in any location at a price below its minimum price.

Nope, hence the clause that exclude holders of the licence from any minimum pricing laws. Therefor holders of the license would be exempt from that clause since it exempts then from your bill in it's entirety.

[Malgrave]

When the price of a pint is close to the minimum wage it is not cheap you great, supine, protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.

Point of order for the insult against Battlion's character.

[Battlion]

Added you on Malgrave.



Pretty offensive to suggest the poorest of society like to purchase lots of alcohol, the bill tackles the issue of cheap alcohol and doesn't harm responsible drinkers.

This is one of the situations where you decide whether health comes before economy, we're on the side of health... it is clear you're on the side of the economy by wanting to cut prices deliver pubs with big profits with cheap alcohol that damages lives.

I am staggered myself by your proposal to exploit citizens of Aurentina

Even as a strawman you realize that it is the poorest that buy cheap alcohol not the richest irrespective of how much one drinks. As said before the cost to myself for this policy is nothing, yet to the poor it is great. Why do I bother when it does not effect me in the slightest?

Of course it does, responsible drinkers now pay more for the same amount. Your putting the lives of a few thousand irresponsible people ahead of the lives of 40 million citizens especially that of the poorest people.

When the price of a pint is close to the minimum wage it is not cheap you great, supine, protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.

Point of Order on the words of Senator Boris Johnson that question my integrity, honesty or character (thx Malgrave)

Responding to this, if government proposals to raise the minimum wage to £10 or around that, I don't think it's that close to the minimum wage.

[The Nihilistic view]

When the price of a pint is close to the minimum wage it is not cheap you great, supine, protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.

Point of order for the insult against Battlion's character.

Do you even know what it means?

[Malgrave]

Point of order for the insult against Battlion's character.

Do you even know what it means?

The insult? I imagine you are calling him spineless or something to that effect but I don''t really care

[Battlion]

I'll ask the Senator to withdraw the comments before the admins become involved.

[The Nihilistic view]

I'll ask the Senator to withdraw the comments before the admins become involved.

I shall wait to see whether the admins deem it necessary.

[The Nihilistic view]

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Abolition of Alcahol Duty on Pubs
Urgency: High | Author: The Nihilistic View [IP] | Category: Business & Finance
Co-sponsors:

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Preamble
Recognizing that the pubs of this nation are struggling to compete with cheap alcohol on offer in supermarkets due to excessive taxation not faced by supermarkets. This has seen many pub closures as either the punters dry up or the pub can no longer make a profit due to the cheaper alternatives.

Believing pubs to the bedrock of Aurentine society and the center of many communities, as one of the few institutions that brings people of different backgrounds and social economic groups together. Thus any cut in taxes should be used to reduce both the cost to the consumer and secure the future of the Pub industry in the future.

Hereby Exempts Pups holding an exemption licence from obligation to pay or follow any taxes or laws set out bellow and passes the Abolition of Alcohol Duty on Pub's into law.

Section 1 -Acquirement of an exemption license

The ministry of Business Safety will be responsible for setting up and running the following national exemption licensing system called the Pub exemption licensing authority (PELA).

Clause 1-The following requirements will all need to be satisfied for a Pub to gain an exemption license.

a) Must sell draught beer, cider or larger.
b) Must hold any required Premises licence that designates the business as a pub. As required by current or future legislation regarding the legality of the consumption of alcohol on the premises after sale.
c) The owner of the premises is required to hold any personal publican's license required by current or future legislation.
d) Is not hold an off-license.
e) Does not hold a license designating the premises a Nightclub in accordance with any current or future legislation regarding the regulation of Nightclubs.
f) Does not hold any license designating the premises as as restaurant thus allowing for the waiting on patrons.

Clause 2 - Following the satisfaction of the entirety of Section 1 Clause 1 the received exemption license will exempt the applying premises from the following.

a) Payment of regional or national excise duty on Alcohol .
b) Following of regional or national alcohol minimum pricing laws.
d) Payment of value added or sales tax on any alcoholic beverages.
e) Any future tax levied on the sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages on or by a holder of an exemption license.

Clause 3- Passing on of savings.

a) At least 70% of the saving's of the exemption from taxes must be passed on to the consumer by a reduction in the price of alcoholic beverages served.
b) Failure to comply with clause 3a will result in immediate suspension of the exemption of the license until such a time as a new pricing plan that complies with the law is presented and approved by the PELA.

[Battlion]

I have a solution for the first part of your bill already!

Recognizing that the pubs of this nation are struggling to compete with cheap alcohol on offer in supermarkets due to excessive taxation not faced by supermarkets. This has seen many pub closures as either the punters dry up or the pub can no longer make a profit due to the cheaper alternatives.

It's called the Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act, basically it ensures that alcohol has a basic minimum price for all to follow so if pubs want to be competitive they should just stick to the Minimum Price given.

Problem solved.

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act
Urgency: High | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Health
Co-sponsors: Geilnor [NDP], Gothmogs [NDP], Beta Test [NDP], Malgrave [MSP], FreeOlesia [IND], Agritum [NDP], NEO Rome Republic [NDP]

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Preamble
Recognizing that excessive drinking is a social and health problem that can lead to preventable deaths,

Believing that the widespread availability of inexpensive alcohol contributes to this problem,

Hereby passes the Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act

Section I – Minimum Price of Alcohol
1. Alcohol must not be sold in any location at a price below its minimum price.
2. Where alcohol is supplied together with other products or services for a single price, sub-paragraph (1) applies as if the alcohol were supplied on its own for that price.
3. The minimum price of alcohol is to be calculated according to the following formula—

MPU x S x V x 100

Where —

MPU is the minimum price per unit,
S is the strength of the alcohol, and
V is the volume of the alcohol in litres.

4. The Minister of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the minimum price per unit for the purposes of sub-paragraph (3).
5. For the purposes of sub-paragraph (3), where —

(a) the alcohol is contained in a bottle or other container, and
(b) the bottle or other container is marked or labelled in accordance with relevant labelling provisions,

the strength is taken to be the alcoholic strength by volume as indicated by the mark or label.
6. The Ministry of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the enactments which are relevant labelling provisions for the purposes of sub-paragraph (5).
7. The penalty for refusing to comply with the provisions of this act shall be a fine of twice the revenue earned from the sale of alcohol below the minimum price.

[The Nihilistic view]

Abolition of Alcahol Duty on Pubs
Urgency: High | Author: The Nihilistic View [IP] | Category: Business & Finance
Co-sponsors:

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Preamble
Recognizing that the pubs of this nation are struggling to compete with cheap alcohol on offer in supermarkets due to excessive taxation not faced by supermarkets. This has seen many pub closures as either the punters dry up or the pub can no longer make a profit due to the cheaper alternatives.

Believing pubs to the bedrock of Aurentine society and the center of many communities, as one of the few institutions that brings people of different backgrounds and social economic groups together. Thus any cut in taxes should be used to reduce both the cost to the consumer and secure the future of the Pub industry in the future.

Hereby Exempts Pups holding an exemption licence from obligation to pay or follow any taxes or laws set out bellow and passes the Abolition of Alcohol Duty on Pub's act into law.

Section 1 -Acquirement of an exemption license

The ministry of Business Safety will be responsible for setting up and running the following national exemption licensing system called the Pub exemption licensing authority (PELA).

Clause 1-The following requirements will all need to be satisfied for a Pub to gain an exemption license.

a) Must sell draught beer, cider or larger.
b) Must hold any required Premises licence that designates the business as a pub. As required by current or future legislation regarding the legality of the consumption of alcohol on the premises after sale.
c) The owner of the premises is required to hold any personal publican's license required by current or future legislation.
d) Is not hold an off-license.
e) Does not hold a license designating the premises a Nightclub in accordance with any current or future legislation regarding the regulation of Nightclubs.
f) Does not hold any license designating the premises as as restaurant thus allowing for the waiting on patrons.

Clause 2 - Following the satisfaction of the entirety of Section 1 Clause 1 the received exemption license will exempt the applying premises from the following.

a) Payment of regional or national excise duty on Alcohol .
b) Following of regional or national alcohol minimum pricing laws.
d) Payment of value added or sales tax on any alcoholic beverages.
e) Any future tax levied on the sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages on or by a holder of an exemption license.

Clause 3- Passing on of savings.

a) At least 70% of the saving's of the exemption from taxes must be passed on to the consumer by a reduction in the price of alcoholic beverages served.
b) Failure to comply with clause 3a will result in immediate suspension of the exemption of the license until such a time as a new pricing plan that complies with the law is presented and approved by the PELA.

[Skeckoa]

So the ones having health problems are most likely addicted to booze. A price change will not alter the addiction, it would just motivate them to (1) Spend a larger amount of their money on booze or (2) Get it by other means. (Black market, stealing, making their own...)

[Dragomere]

This looks good enough for me to sponsor.

[Dragomere]

Abolition of Alcahol Duty on Pubs
Urgency: High | Author: The Nihilistic View [IP] | Category: Business & Finance
Co-sponsors:

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Preamble
Recognizing that the pubs of this nation are struggling to compete with cheap alcohol on offer in supermarkets due to excessive taxation not faced by supermarkets. This has seen many pub closures as either the punters dry up or the pub can no longer make a profit due to the cheaper alternatives.

Believing pubs to the bedrock of Aurentine society and the center of many communities, as one of the few institutions that brings people of different backgrounds and social economic groups together. Thus any cut in taxes should be used to reduce both the cost to the consumer and secure the future of the Pub industry in the future.

Hereby Exempts Pups holding an exemption licence from obligation to pay or follow any taxes or laws set out bellow and passes the Abolition of Alcohol Duty on Pub's into law.

Section 1 -Acquirement of an exemption license
This looks good enough for me to sponsor.
The ministry of Business Safety will be responsible for setting up and running the following national exemption licensing system called the Pub exemption licensing authority (PELA).

Clause 1-The following requirements will all need to be satisfied for a Pub to gain an exemption license.

a) Must sell draught beer, cider or larger.
b) Must hold any required Premises licence that designates the business as a pub. As required by current or future legislation regarding the legality of the consumption of alcohol on the premises after sale.
c) The owner of the premises is required to hold any personal publican's license required by current or future legislation.
d) Is not hold an off-license.
e) Does not hold a license designating the premises a Nightclub in accordance with any current or future legislation regarding the regulation of Nightclubs.
f) Does not hold any license designating the premises as as restaurant thus allowing for the waiting on patrons.

Clause 2 - Following the satisfaction of the entirety of Section 1 Clause 1 the received exemption license will exempt the applying premises from the following.

a) Payment of regional or national excise duty on Alcohol .
b) Following of regional or national alcohol minimum pricing laws.
d) Payment of value added or sales tax on any alcoholic beverages.
e) Any future tax levied on the sale or purchase of alcoholic beverages on or by a holder of an exemption license.

Clause 3- Passing on of savings.

a) At least 70% of the saving's of the exemption from taxes must be passed on to the consumer by a reduction in the price of alcoholic beverages served.
b) Failure to comply with clause 3a will result in immediate suspension of the exemption of the license until such a time as a new pricing plan that complies with the law is presented and approved by the PELA.

Looks good enough for me to sponsor.

[Lipnitia]

That feeling that I'm late for the Coffee Shop..

[Maklohi Vai]

When the price of a pint is close to the minimum wage it is not cheap you great, supine, protoplasmic invertebrate jelly.

Point of order for the insult against Battlion's character.

Upheld. Nihil, you have the opportunity to withdraw.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I have a solution for the first part of your bill already!

Recognizing that the pubs of this nation are struggling to compete with cheap alcohol on offer in supermarkets due to excessive taxation not faced by supermarkets. This has seen many pub closures as either the punters dry up or the pub can no longer make a profit due to the cheaper alternatives.

It's called the Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act, basically it ensures that alcohol has a basic minimum price for all to follow so if pubs want to be competitive they should just stick to the Minimum Price given.

Problem solved.

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act
Urgency: High | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Health
Co-sponsors: Geilnor [NDP], Gothmogs [NDP], Beta Test [NDP], Malgrave [MSP], FreeOlesia [IND], Agritum [NDP]

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Preamble
Recognizing that excessive drinking is a social and health problem that can lead to preventable deaths,

Believing that the widespread availability of inexpensive alcohol contributes to this problem,

Hereby passes the Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act

Section I – Minimum Price of Alcohol
1. Alcohol must not be sold in any location at a price below its minimum price.
2. Where alcohol is supplied together with other products or services for a single price, sub-paragraph (1) applies as if the alcohol were supplied on its own for that price.
3. The minimum price of alcohol is to be calculated according to the following formula—

MPU x S x V x 100

Where —

MPU is the minimum price per unit,
S is the strength of the alcohol, and
V is the volume of the alcohol in litres.

4. The Minister of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the minimum price per unit for the purposes of sub-paragraph (3).
5. For the purposes of sub-paragraph (3), where —

(a) the alcohol is contained in a bottle or other container, and
(b) the bottle or other container is marked or labelled in accordance with relevant labelling provisions,

the strength is taken to be the alcoholic strength by volume as indicated by the mark or label.
6. The Ministry of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the enactments which are relevant labelling provisions for the purposes of sub-paragraph (5).
7. The penalty for refusing to comply with the provisions of this act shall be a fine of twice the revenue earned from the sale of alcohol below the minimum price.

I'd like to sponsor.

[The Realm of God]

The idea behind the temperance controls and other such laws is abhorrent. It centers around the idea that a few can impose their taste in pleasure on the majority. It smacks of a small primarily middle class elite that wishes to impose its standards of morality on the people who simply want a drink.

The idea that we must tax, control and restrict something because people don't know how to say enough is enough is ludicrous. The majority isn't drinking themselves to death, the majority have committed no crime that means that they must suffer for indulging their vice. A world where vices are taxed to the point of inaccessibility is no world I want to live in, ban smoking because its bad for your lungs, meat because it might cause cancer, physical sex because bodily fluid can transmit disease. Hell if we ignore causation and relationship we can say that our obtrusive philanthropists should ban air because all who have lived have breathed air and all who have breathed air have died. Leave the individual to decide what they charge for their products and leave the individual the choice to buy his favourite tipple for any price the producer wants to charge. It's personal responsibility gentlemen, let's role back these price restrictions and obstruction, educate people on the effects of these products and let them choose.

[The Nihilistic view]

Point of order for the insult against Battlion's character.

Upheld. Nihil, you have the opportunity to withdraw.

I guess now would be the time to quietly withdraw.

[Dragomere]

I hear that we are having a conflict with "Liberty Isle", so here it goes:

Liberty Isle Reclamation Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: ??? | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

RECOGNIZING the constant troubles brought fourth by those on "Liberty Isle";

HEREBY authorizes 30 days of armed combat against "Liberty Isle";

DECLARES that "Liberty Isle" is a possession of Aurentina, and thus falls under all Aurentine laws and juridictions;

DECLARES that any financial lossesduring the war, must be paid by those living on "Liberty Isle".

1. Correct me if I misenterpreted what was going on in the Senate Lobby (on which this bill is based)
2. Sponsor and/or comment.

[New Zepuha]

I hear that we are having a conflict with "Liberty Isle", so here it goes:

Liberty Isle Reclamation Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: ??? | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

RECOGNIZING the constant troubles brought fourth by those on "Liberty Isle";

HEREBY authorizes 30 days of armed combat against "Liberty Isle";

DECLARES that "Liberty Isle" is a possession of Aurentina, and thus falls under all Aurentine laws and juridictions;

DECLARES that any financial lossesduring the war, must be paid by those living on "Liberty Isle".

1. Correct me if I misenterpreted what was going on in the Senate Lobby (on which this bill is based)
2. Sponsor and/or comment.

This violates our Neutrality.

[Ainin]

I hear that we are having a conflict with "Liberty Isle", so here it goes:

Liberty Isle Reclamation Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: ??? | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

RECOGNIZING the constant troubles brought fourth by those on "Liberty Isle";

HEREBY authorizes 30 days of armed combat against "Liberty Isle";

DECLARES that "Liberty Isle" is a possession of Aurentina, and thus falls under all Aurentine laws and juridictions;

DECLARES that any financial lossesduring the war, must be paid by those living on "Liberty Isle".

1. Correct me if I misenterpreted what was going on in the Senate Lobby (on which this bill is based)
2. Sponsor and/or comment.

We don't need to declare war to take terra nullus. We just have to go in.

[Placenza]

I have a solution for the first part of your bill already!



It's called the Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act, basically it ensures that alcohol has a basic minimum price for all to follow so if pubs want to be competitive they should just stick to the Minimum Price given.

Problem solved.

Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act
Urgency: High | Author: Battlion [NDP] | Category: Health
Co-sponsors: Geilnor [NDP], Gothmogs [NDP], Beta Test [NDP], Malgrave [MSP], FreeOlesia [IND], Agritum [NDP]

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Preamble
Recognizing that excessive drinking is a social and health problem that can lead to preventable deaths,

Believing that the widespread availability of inexpensive alcohol contributes to this problem,

Hereby passes the Alcohol (Minimum Pricing) Act

Section I – Minimum Price of Alcohol
1. Alcohol must not be sold in any location at a price below its minimum price.
2. Where alcohol is supplied together with other products or services for a single price, sub-paragraph (1) applies as if the alcohol were supplied on its own for that price.
3. The minimum price of alcohol is to be calculated according to the following formula—

MPU x S x V x 100

Where —

MPU is the minimum price per unit,
S is the strength of the alcohol, and
V is the volume of the alcohol in litres.

4. The Minister of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the minimum price per unit for the purposes of sub-paragraph (3).
5. For the purposes of sub-paragraph (3), where —

(a) the alcohol is contained in a bottle or other container, and
(b) the bottle or other container is marked or labelled in accordance with relevant labelling provisions,

the strength is taken to be the alcoholic strength by volume as indicated by the mark or label.
6. The Ministry of Health is to specify by Ministerial Directive the enactments which are relevant labelling provisions for the purposes of sub-paragraph (5).
7. The penalty for refusing to comply with the provisions of this act shall be a fine of twice the revenue earned from the sale of alcohol below the minimum price.

I'd like to sponsor.

As will I.

[The Nihilistic view]

I hear that we are having a conflict with "Liberty Isle", so here it goes:

Liberty Isle Reclamation Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: ??? | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

RECOGNIZING the constant troubles brought fourth by those on "Liberty Isle";

HEREBY authorizes 30 days of armed combat against "Liberty Isle";

DECLARES that "Liberty Isle" is a possession of Aurentina, and thus falls under all Aurentine laws and juridictions;

DECLARES that any financial lossesduring the war, must be paid by those living on "Liberty Isle".

1. Correct me if I misenterpreted what was going on in the Senate Lobby (on which this bill is based)
2. Sponsor and/or comment.

This violates our Neutrality.

Seconded, this is an illegal bill as is any military action taken on the island.