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[The National Bocialist Party]

Since an infant would not communicate that it is against their will to be bathed in the water and/or oil... I don't see an issue.

I assume that the bill's objective is to protect minors from forced religious activity. Given the spirit of the law, wouldn't it require an assent in order for baptism to occur? Or at least, might not a judge reasonably interpret it this way? In that case, no infant could go to a religious service.

On another note, if a minor is presumed to have sufficient judgement on whether or not to participate in religious activity, does this mean they have sufficient judgement to vote or be held fully accountable for any crimes?

You make a very good point. Clearly one year old's can be charged with indecent exposure when having their nappies changed.

[Oneracon]

Since an infant would not communicate that it is against their will to be bathed in the water and/or oil... I don't see an issue.

I assume that the bill's objective is to protect minors from forced religious activity. Given the spirit of the law, wouldn't it require an assent in order for baptism to occur? Or at least, might not a judge reasonably interpret it this way? In that case, no infant could go to a religious service.

If I could make it so, I would... but the loophole of an infant not being able to explicitly withdraw consent was purposefully left in there.

On another note, if a minor is presumed to have sufficient judgement on whether or not to participate in religious activity, does this mean they have sufficient judgement to vote or be held fully accountable for any crimes?

Apples and oranges, Senator.

Religious rituals are generally harmless activities that do not greatly affect the public, whereas voting in an election and committing crime have a real and measurable effect on the public. Equating the ability to withdraw consent to participate in a generally harmless personal activity is not the same as granting a right to vote or the responsibility to be held accountable for crimes.

[The National Bocialist Party]

I assume that the bill's objective is to protect minors from forced religious activity. Given the spirit of the law, wouldn't it require an assent in order for baptism to occur? Or at least, might not a judge reasonably interpret it this way? In that case, no infant could go to a religious service.

If I could make it so, I would... but the loophole of an infant not being able to explicitly withdraw consent was purposefully left in there.

On another note, if a minor is presumed to have sufficient judgement on whether or not to participate in religious activity, does this mean they have sufficient judgement to vote or be held fully accountable for any crimes?

Apples and oranges, Senator.

Religious rituals are generally harmless activities that do not greatly affect the public, whereas voting in an election and committing crime have a real and measurable effect on the public. Equating the ability to withdraw consent to participate in a generally harmless personal activity is not the same as granting a right to vote or the responsibility to be held accountable for crimes.

So you are saying we should deny the harmless ones but let the child off the ones that have victims? M M M M MAD!

[Geilinor]

If I could make it so, I would... but the loophole of an infant not being able to explicitly withdraw consent was purposefully left in there.



Apples and oranges, Senator.

Religious rituals are generally harmless activities that do not greatly affect the public, whereas voting in an election and committing crime have a real and measurable effect on the public. Equating the ability to withdraw consent to participate in a generally harmless personal activity is not the same as granting a right to vote or the responsibility to be held accountable for crimes.

So you are saying we should deny the harmless ones but let the child off the ones that have victims? M M M M MAD!

Wait, what? I think he's saying the opposite of what you think.

[Mediciano]

On another note, if a minor is presumed to have sufficient judgement on whether or not to participate in religious activity, does this mean they have sufficient judgement to vote or be held fully accountable for any crimes?

Apples and oranges, Senator.

Religious rituals are generally harmless activities that do not greatly affect the public, whereas voting in an election and committing crime have a real and measurable effect on the public. Equating the ability to withdraw consent to participate in a generally harmless personal activity is not the same as granting a right to vote or the responsibility to be held accountable for crimes.

Hardly apples and oranges. It raises the point of how much freedom children should actually have in governing their own lives. Don't dismiss other's opinions just because they raise problems in the logic of your own.

[Euskirribakondara]

I agree with the point raised in the previous posts, it's illogical to pretend infants have enough skills to determine whether to go or not to a religious event.

Plus, isn't the right of a parent to raise their children inside the customs and culture of their own selves?

[Oneracon]

Apples and oranges, Senator.

Religious rituals are generally harmless activities that do not greatly affect the public, whereas voting in an election and committing crime have a real and measurable effect on the public. Equating the ability to withdraw consent to participate in a generally harmless personal activity is not the same as granting a right to vote or the responsibility to be held accountable for crimes.

Hardly apples and oranges. It raises the point of how much freedom children should actually have in governing their own lives. Don't dismiss other's opinions just because they raise problems in the logic of your own.

As I believe I made clear, there are no issues with a minor being given a choice in whether to participate in something that in general has little effect on society.

[Euskirribakondara]

Hardly apples and oranges. It raises the point of how much freedom children should actually have in governing their own lives. Don't dismiss other's opinions just because they raise problems in the logic of your own.

As I believe I made clear, there are no issues with a minor being given a choice in whether to participate in something that in general has little effect on society.

But do we really need to legislate they have a choice?... They don't necessarily need a law to be given a choice. And even if we did the legislation, how will it be enforced? Will kids sue their parents for not being able to choose whether to attend a religious event or not?

I think we're being just too complicated.

[Oneracon]

As I believe I made clear, there are no issues with a minor being given a choice in whether to participate in something that in general has little effect on society.

But do we really need to legislate they have a choice?... They don't necessarily need a law to be given a choice. And even if we did the legislation, how will it be enforced? Will kids sue their parents for not being able to choose whether to attend a religious event or not?

I think we're being just too complicated.

Well the law passed with quite a resounding majority and the first attempt to repeal it failed quite spectacularly, so I believe that this law has the support of the Senate.

[Mediciano]

As I believe I made clear, there are no issues with a minor being given a choice in whether to participate in something that in general has little effect on society.

"Religion has little effect on society" said no educated person ever...

[Oneracon]

As I believe I made clear, there are no issues with a minor being given a choice in whether to participate in something that in general has little effect on society.

"Religion has little effect on society" said no educated person ever...

It is rude to put words into other people's mouths, Senator.

I said that religious rituals have little effect on society. Nothing referred to the idea of religion in general.

[Britanno]

As I believe I made clear, there are no issues with a minor being given a choice in whether to participate in something that in general has little effect on society.

"Religion has little effect on society" said no educated person ever...

So you'll sponsor this, right?

First Amendment to the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act

First Amendment to the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act

Category: Domestic Development | Urgency: Low
Author: Britanno (MCP) | Co-Sponsors: The Licentian Isles (LD), New Zepuha (Ind),

UNDERSTANDING that the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act had good intentions.

HOWEVER REALISING that Clause Twelve prevented parents from taking their children to a religious ritual, even if they didn't force the minor to participate in the ritual.

HEREBY changes the twelfth clause to:

"No parent shall force a minor to participate in a religious ritual against the minor's will."

Do it, or else.

[Oneracon]

"Religion has little effect on society" said no educated person ever...

So you'll sponsor this, right?

First Amendment to the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act

Considering the last attempt failed rather decisively... I do wish you the best of luck

[Britanno]

So you'll sponsor this, right?

First Amendment to the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act

Considering the last attempt failed rather decisively... I do wish you the best of luck

A large amount of people who voted nay did so because they didn't realise it made the law less tight, rather than make it tighter.

Anyway, if you wish to make useless comments that do nobody any good then why don't you tell your arse about them, and not bother wasting my time.

[Oneracon]

Considering the last attempt failed rather decisively... I do wish you the best of luck

A large amount of people who voted nay did so because they didn't realise it made the law less tight, rather than make it tighter.

Anyway, if you wish to make useless comments that do nobody any good then why don't you tell your arse about them, and not bother wasting my time.

There is no need for such hostility, and I'm not nearly flexible enough to do what you're suggesting.

[Dragomere]

Aurentine Space Exploration Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: Miscellaneous | Urgency: Low | Sponsors:

NOTING that space exploration can lead to many scientific advancements;

REALIZING that Aurentina has no current space program;

CREATES the Aurentine Space Exploration Agency (ASEA) with the following duties:
1. To lead Aurentina's space research and development (including the designing and building of space craft),
2. To train those whom shall go into space, and
3. To publicly release all technological advancements (discovered by this agency) for use by the public.

ESTABLISHES the following goals:
1. To land a manned mission on the Moon,
2. To establish a lunar colony,
3. To create a Aurentine satellite and space station network, and
4. To land a manned mission on Mars.

MANDATES a non-amendable budget of $10 billion every year for ten years.

DECLARES that the budget may be amended or abolished when that ten year term is over

CLARIFIES that if no legislation is made concerning the budget for the ASEA, then the ten year time and budget extension shall automatically take place.

Please Sponsor and/or comment on this.

[Venaleria]

Aurentine Space Exploration Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: Miscellaneous | Urgency: Low | Sponsors:

NOTING that space exploration can lead to many scientific advancements;

REALIZING that Aurentina has no current space program;

CREATES the Aurentine Space Exploration Agency (ASEA) with the following duties:
1. To lead Aurentina's space research and development (including the designing and building of space craft),
2. To train those whom shall go into space, and
3. To publicly release all technological advancements (discovered by this agency) for use by the public.

ESTABLISHES the following goals:
1. To land a manned mission on the Moon,
2. To establish a lunar colony,
3. To create a Aurentine satellite and space station network, and
4. To land a manned mission on Mars.

MANDATES a non-amendable budget of $10 billion every year for ten years.

DECLARES that the budget may be amended or abolished when that ten year term is over

CLARIFIES that if no legislation is made concerning the budget for the ASEA, then the ten year time and budget extension shall automatically take place.

Please Sponsor and/or comment on this.

I believe this was already addressed in a bill a long time ago. I will try to find a link.

[Brissia]

Aurentine Space Exploration Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: Miscellaneous | Urgency: Low | Sponsors:

NOTING that space exploration can lead to many scientific advancements;

REALIZING that Aurentina has no current space program;

CREATES the Aurentine Space Exploration Agency (ASEA) with the following duties:
1. To lead Aurentina's space research and development (including the designing and building of space craft),
2. To train those whom shall go into space, and
3. To publicly release all technological advancements (discovered by this agency) for use by the public.

ESTABLISHES the following goals:
1. To land a manned mission on the Moon,
2. To establish a lunar colony,
3. To create a Aurentine satellite and space station network, and
4. To land a manned mission on Mars.

MANDATES a non-amendable budget of $10 billion every year for ten years.

DECLARES that the budget may be amended or abolished when that ten year term is over

CLARIFIES that if no legislation is made concerning the budget for the ASEA, then the ten year time and budget extension shall automatically take place.

Please Sponsor and/or comment on this.

I am against this. As a budding nation, space exploration is an unnecessary waste of the government's money. Place a man on Mars? Not with our economy. This country isn't a superpower. It isn't even a great power, although I'm sad to admit it. Such goals as manning missions to the moon and Mars are something we should leave for a later time. Although, launching our own satellites is a practical and useful usage of money.

[The National Bocialist Party]

Aurentine Space Exploration Act
Author: Dragomere [NASA] | Category: Miscellaneous | Urgency: Low | Sponsors:

NOTING that space exploration can lead to many scientific advancements;

REALIZING that Aurentina has no current space program;

CREATES the Aurentine Space Exploration Agency (ASEA) with the following duties:
1. To lead Aurentina's space research and development (including the designing and building of space craft),
2. To train those whom shall go into space, and
3. To publicly release all technological advancements (discovered by this agency) for use by the public.

ESTABLISHES the following goals:
1. To land a manned mission on the Moon,
2. To establish a lunar colony,
3. To create a Aurentine satellite and space station network, and
4. To land a manned mission on Mars.

MANDATES a non-amendable budget of $10 billion every year for ten years.

DECLARES that the budget may be amended or abolished when that ten year term is over

CLARIFIES that if no legislation is made concerning the budget for the ASEA, then the ten year time and budget extension shall automatically take place.

Please Sponsor and/or comment on this.

I am against this. As a budding nation, space exploration is an unnecessary waste of the government's money. Place a man on Mars? Not with our economy. This country isn't a superpower. It isn't even a great power, although I'm sad to admit it. Such goals as manning missions to the moon and Mars are something we should leave for a later time. Although, launching our own satellites is a practical and useful usage of money.

Also mars is a stupid direction to go, as the sun is expanding it will soon (relatively) become far to hot for us to survive on its surface. The same fate will one day befall the earth. Anybody with any sense would pursue colonizing Pluto etc

[Kamchastkia]

I am against this. As a budding nation, space exploration is an unnecessary waste of the government's money. Place a man on Mars? Not with our economy. This country isn't a superpower. It isn't even a great power, although I'm sad to admit it. Such goals as manning missions to the moon and Mars are something we should leave for a later time. Although, launching our own satellites is a practical and useful usage of money.

Also mars is a stupid direction to go, as the sun is expanding it will soon (relatively) become far to hot for us to survive on its surface. The same fate will one day befall the earth. Anybody with any sense would pursue colonizing Pluto etc

You know this won't occur for several million years right?

[Brissia]

Also mars is a stupid direction to go, as the sun is expanding it will soon (relatively) become far to hot for us to survive on its surface. The same fate will one day befall the earth. Anybody with any sense would pursue colonizing Pluto etc

You know this won't occur for several million years right?

I think that was semi-sarcasm. Anyway, now that you have spoke up....why the HELL were you so rude in the Presidential Elections thread?

[Kamchastkia]

You know this won't occur for several million years right?

I think that was semi-sarcasm. Anyway, now that you have spoke up....why the HELL were you so rude in the Presidential Elections thread?

Because Nihil behaves as a child and doesn't know when to be an asshole and when not to be.

[The National Bocialist Party]

Also mars is a stupid direction to go, as the sun is expanding it will soon (relatively) become far to hot for us to survive on its surface. The same fate will one day befall the earth. Anybody with any sense would pursue colonizing Pluto etc

You know this won't occur for several million years right?

The age of democracy is over, the age of the Imperium is at hand!

[The National Bocialist Party]

I think that was semi-sarcasm. Anyway, now that you have spoke up....why the HELL were you so rude in the Presidential Elections thread?

Because Nihil behaves as a child and doesn't know when to be an asshole and when not to be.

At least I am not a Arsehole all the time ^

[Kamchastkia]

Because Nihil behaves as a child and doesn't know when to be an asshole and when not to be.

At least I am not a Arsehole all the time ^

Except you are.