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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:38 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:I am not a big fan of it either, but it is a very important concept in Christianity.

12. No parent shall force a minor to attend religious services or participate in religious rituals against their will.


Since an infant would not communicate that it is against their will to be bathed in the water and/or oil... I don't see an issue.

HOLY MOTHER OF-! Well that was one of the main reasons I opposed the bill at all. Everything else in it was great. I can't believe I overlooked that...
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Postby Britanno » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:41 pm

Oneracon wrote:Since an infant would not communicate that it is against their will to be bathed in the water and/or oil... I don't see an issue.


Some minors are not baptised very quickly, some parents wait months, sometimes up to a couple of years. What if a minor says no then?
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:42 pm

Britanno wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Since an infant would not communicate that it is against their will to be bathed in the water and/or oil... I don't see an issue.


Some minors are not baptised very quickly, some parents wait months, sometimes up to a couple of years. What if a minor says no then?


Then the provisions of the Act apply.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:45 pm

Britanno wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Except that at the shops they (and their parents) will not be shot dirty looks for not following along with the ritual?


As someone who refused to worship at a Church because I was dragged there by my father, I can say that this doesn't happen. I also do not think this a problem for many people.

Also the expense of child care can be easily solved with a national child care strategy, which would have the collateral benefit of helping underprivileged families who might need someone to watch the children while the parent(s) work.

Win-win.


Is there a bill in the queue about this? I could've sworn there was. If not, surely one should be written by those defending the current bill?
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Postby HumanSanity » Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:40 pm

Motions Reform Act
Author: HumanSanity | Sponsors: New Zephua (Ind.), Fulflood (NDP), Kamchastika (SAP) | SIMBEDS Category: Senate Proceedure

Preamble
Recognizing that various rules regarding motions in the Senate chamber have been instated throughout time and that, because of this, they are often inconsistent and difficult to find and apply.

On Motions
1. Any Senator may place a motion before the Senate. Any Senator may second a motion before the Senate.
1a. The necessary seconds for the enactment of a motion must be obtained within 24 hours of the motion originally being placed before the Senate. If more than 24 hours pass the motion will be considered closed.
1b. Any Senator who makes or seconds a motion withdraw their motion or second at any time before the motion is enacted.
1c. No proxy motions may be used.
1d. Once the necessary seconds have been obtained a motion will have passed and no counter-motion may be raised against it.

On Counter Motions
2. Any Senator may place a counter-motion before the Senate. Counter-motions must be in opposition to a specific motion that has not already been enacted.
2a. A counter motion mandates that the motion countered receives one more second than was previously necessary.
2b. Only 10 counter motions may be logged against a motion.
2c. Counter motions may not be done by proxy.

On Approval
3. Where approval by an official is necessary the approval of the President of Aurentina, the Vice President of Aurentina, the Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister, or the President pro Tempore of the Senate will be sufficient.
3a. If the necessary seconds have been obtained on a motion but not approval no counter motions may be lodged.
3b. If approval is not secured within 24 hours of the original motion being made then the motion will be closed.

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4. The following motions may now be made and enacted with the specified number of seconds. Any motions in Aurentine law that are addressed here are superseded. Any motions in Aurentine law that are not addressed here still stand.
4a. A motion made by a bill's author to withdraw it from the queue is enacted when seconded. This motion cannot have a counter-motion raised against it.
4b. A motion to move debate to a different SIMBEDS Category may be made and is enacted when tenthed and after having been approved.
4c. A motion to change a bill's Omnibus category will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
4d. A motion to extend debate will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Debate may not be extended by more than 24 hours.
4e. A motion to extend voting will be enacted when tenthed and approved. Voting may not be extended by more than 48 hours.
4f. A motion to end debate early may only be enacted when twelfthed and approved. Ending debate early may only occur after one half of the debate time has already elapsed.
4g. A motion to end voting early may only be enacted after 24 hours of voting have already passed and if 90%+ of the votes are currently in favor of all bills up for vote. A motion to end voting early will be enacted when tenthed and approved.
4h. A motion to count quorum on a measure will necessitate one fourth of all Senators to vote on a measure and will be enacted when fifteenthed and approved by at least two of the five listed officials.


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Postby Ainin » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:00 pm

Counter-motions?

Vehemently opposed.
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Postby HumanSanity » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:44 pm

Ainin wrote:Counter-motions?

Vehemently opposed.

Why? Currently a small, well organized minority can impose a motion on the rest of the Senate without any chance for dissent. This allows a small amount of dissent to be shown and also requires for those making the motion to show reasoning and be well organized.
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:44 pm

Cetacean and Great Ape Bill of Rights
Drafted by: Gothmogs, Ainin
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Category: Environment?

Understanding that Great Apes and Cetaceans have very complex emotional and intellectual lives, and deserve to be protected from humans and human violence. Also understanding that Orca Whales specifically have larger and more complex emotional areas in their brains, meaning they actually feel more emotion than humans. Great Apes and Cetaceans need to be left alone in peace.

All Cetaceans and Great Apes hereby shall receive the following rights:

1. Every individual cetacean and great ape has the right to life.
2. No cetacean or great ape should be held in captivity or servitude; be subject to cruel treatment; or be removed from their natural environment.
3. All cetaceans and great apes have the right to freedom of movement and residence within their natural environment.
4. No cetacean or great ape is the property of any State, corporation, human group or individual.
5. Cetaceans and great apes have the right to the protection of their natural environment.
6. Cetaceans and great apes have the right not to be subject to the disruption of their cultures.
7. The rights, freedoms and norms set forth in this Declaration should be protected under domestic law.
8. No State, corporation, human group or individual should engage in any activity that undermines these rights, freedoms and norms.
9. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent a State from enacting stricter provisions for the protection of cetacean or great ape rights.
10. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent the care or help given to cetaceans or great apes.
11. No cetacean or great ape will be punished by, or bound to, any human created law.
12. Knowingly depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a derelict, and accidentally depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a contravention.

Section 1
1. Establishes the Great Ape and Cetacean Rights Enforcement Agency (GACREA) who's duty will be determining whether or not a great ape or cetacean's rights have been violated, and to take charge of cases involving such violations.
2. The GACREA will also be responsible for determining proper living conditions for injured or disabled apes that are in the care of a qualified human or veterinary association.
3. The GACREA will report to the Ministry of the Environment.
4. Establishes a cetacean sanctuary off the coast of Woozen in Andersbai for injured or disabled cetaceans who require human care.

Acknowledgements: Thanks to Alexander Ainin for suggesting line 12 of the bill of rights.

Hereby passes the Cetacean and Great Ape Bill of Rights

Yeah, definitely a controversial topic, but I will see how this goes. Thoughts or critiques?
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Postby Ainin » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:46 pm

I'll sponsor :)
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Postby Ainin » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:47 pm

How about adding "Knowingly depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a derelict, and accidentally depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a contravention."?
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Postby HumanSanity » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:47 pm

Also understanding that Orca Whales specifically have larger and more complex emotional areas in their brains, meaning they actually feel more emotion than humans.


Is that a sentence?
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:48 pm

Ainin wrote:I'll sponsor :)

Thank you!
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:49 pm

HumanSanity wrote:
Also understanding that Orca Whales specifically have larger and more complex emotional areas in their brains, meaning they actually feel more emotion than humans.


Is that a sentence?

What do you mean?
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:49 pm

Ainin wrote:How about adding "Knowingly depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a derelict, and accidentally depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a contravention."?

Ah yes, ok.
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Postby HumanSanity » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:54 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
HumanSanity wrote:
Is that a sentence?

What do you mean?

Wait nevermind. I thought it lacked a verb and then noticed the second word.
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Postby New Zepuha » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:33 pm

Britanno wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Since an infant would not communicate that it is against their will to be bathed in the water and/or oil... I don't see an issue.


Some minors are not baptised very quickly, some parents wait months, sometimes up to a couple of years. What if a minor says no then?

I suppose it'd be okay to reject it then. I mean I know my parents left the decision up to me, and that has become a popular trend in mainly protestant countries.
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:57 pm

Cetacean and Great Ape Enslavement Act
Drafted by: Mediciano
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Category: Environment?

Understanding that Great Apes and Cetaceans have very complex emotional and intellectual lives, and are humanity's greatest threat in the mastery of the Earth. Also understanding that Orca Whales specifically have larger and more complex "killing" sections of their brain, as well as a noticeably smaller remorse secrtion, meaning they actually feel nothing when the tear you in half with their great toothed-maw. Great Apes and Cetaceans need to be put down to ensure the survival of humanity.

All Cetaceans and Great Apes shall hereby be subject to the following:

1. Every individual cetacean and great ape (aka: large scary humans with big arms) shall be killed..
2. No cetacean or great ape should be held in captivity or servitude; be subject to cruel treatment; or be removed from their natural environment, unless by humans.
3. All cetaceans and great apes have the right to freedom of movement and residence within their natural environment, unless they live on Earth.
4. No cetacean or great ape is the property of any State, corporation, human group or individual, unless those states, corporations, human groups or individuals are human.
5. Cetaceans and great apes have the right to the protection of their natural environment, except from people.
6. Cetaceans and great apes have the right not to be subject to the disruption of their cultures, except by people.
7. The rights, freedoms and norms set forth in this Declaration should be protected under domestic law.
8. No State, corporation, human group or individual should engage in any activity that undermines these rights, freedoms and norms, unless said group is composed primarily of humans.
9. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent a State from enacting stricter provisions for the protection of cetacean or great ape rights, unless those provisions include banning the killing of these monstrous killers and berserk leviathans.
10. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent the care or help given to cetaceans or great apes, unless saids help extends their lives or helps their culture become stronger.
11. No cetacean or great ape will be punished by, or bound to, any human created law, except this one.
12. Knowingly depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a derelict, and accidentally depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a contravention, unless by humans.

Section 1
1. Establishes the Great Ape and Cetacean Rights Enforcement Agency (GACREA) who's duty will be determining whether or not a great ape or cetacean's rights have been violated, and to take charge of cases involving such violations, and will also be in charge of aiding the genocide against these blood-thirsty motherfuckers.
2. The GACREA will also be responsible for determining proper living conditions for injured or disabled apes that are in the care of a qualified human or veterinary association, especially as regards to slaughterhouse living conditions.
3. The GACREA will report to the Ministry of the Environment.
4. Establishes a cetacean sanctuary off the coast of Woozen in Andersbai for injured or disabled cetaceans who require human care, where they may be used to lure their strong, healthy counterparts to the slaughter.

Acknowledgements: Thanks to Alexander Ainin for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Hereby passes the Cetacean and Great Ape Enslavement Act.


Thoughts?
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:04 pm

Mediciano wrote:
Cetacean and Great Ape Enslavement Act
Drafted by: Mediciano
Sponsors:
Category: Environment?

Understanding that Great Apes and Cetaceans have very complex emotional and intellectual lives, and are humanity's greatest threat in the mastery of the Earth. Also understanding that Orca Whales specifically have larger and more complex "killing" sections of their brain, as well as a noticeably smaller remorse secrtion, meaning they actually feel nothing when the tear you in half with their great toothed-maw. Great Apes and Cetaceans need to be put down to ensure the survival of humanity.

All Cetaceans and Great Apes shall hereby be subject to the following:

1. Every individual cetacean and great ape (aka: large scary humans with big arms) shall be killed..
2. No cetacean or great ape should be held in captivity or servitude; be subject to cruel treatment; or be removed from their natural environment, unless by humans.
3. All cetaceans and great apes have the right to freedom of movement and residence within their natural environment, unless they live on Earth.
4. No cetacean or great ape is the property of any State, corporation, human group or individual, unless those states, corporations, human groups or individuals are human.
5. Cetaceans and great apes have the right to the protection of their natural environment, except from people.
6. Cetaceans and great apes have the right not to be subject to the disruption of their cultures, except by people.
7. The rights, freedoms and norms set forth in this Declaration should be protected under domestic law.
8. No State, corporation, human group or individual should engage in any activity that undermines these rights, freedoms and norms, unless said group is composed primarily of humans.
9. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent a State from enacting stricter provisions for the protection of cetacean or great ape rights, unless those provisions include banning the killing of these monstrous killers and berserk leviathans.
10. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent the care or help given to cetaceans or great apes, unless saids help extends their lives or helps their culture become stronger.
11. No cetacean or great ape will be punished by, or bound to, any human created law, except this one.
12. Knowingly depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a derelict, and accidentally depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a contravention, unless by humans.

Section 1
1. Establishes the Great Ape and Cetacean Rights Enforcement Agency (GACREA) who's duty will be determining whether or not a great ape or cetacean's rights have been violated, and to take charge of cases involving such violations, and will also be in charge of aiding the genocide against these blood-thirsty motherfuckers.
2. The GACREA will also be responsible for determining proper living conditions for injured or disabled apes that are in the care of a qualified human or veterinary association, especially as regards to slaughterhouse living conditions.
3. The GACREA will report to the Ministry of the Environment.
4. Establishes a cetacean sanctuary off the coast of Woozen in Andersbai for injured or disabled cetaceans who require human care, where they may be used to lure their strong, healthy counterparts to the slaughter.

Acknowledgements: Thanks to Alexander Ainin for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Hereby passes the Cetacean and Great Ape Enslavement Act.


Thoughts?

You know what? This one is better than mine. :p
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Postby Mediciano » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:10 pm

Cetacean and Great Ape Education Act
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Understanding that Great Apes and Cetaceans have very complex emotional and intellectual lives, and deserve to be educated both in primary, secondary and higher education levels. Noting that the temperament of orcas is particularly conducive to a classroom environment, and that such creatures should be given a chance to learn with little human children in public institutions of learning. Further noting that apes, especially great apes, have long been denied the right to study in Aurentina, despite their high IQs of over 60 and 70.

All Cetaceans and Great Apes hereby shall receive the following rights:

1. Every individual cetacean and great ape has the right to a free education in the Aurentine Commonwealth.
2. No cetacean or great ape should be refused any of the educational opportunities provided to a child of the human race.
3. All cetaceans and great apes have the right to participate in school sports and activities, despite the fact that they can rip your motherfuckin' face off with their bare hands.
4. No cetacean or great ape will be denied access to institutions of learning based solely off of their species.
5. Cetaceans and great apes have the right to receive government or school scholarships and grants in order to attend institutions of higher learning.
6. Cetaceans and great apes have the right not to be subject to bullying or other schoolyard tomfoolery, as such provocation may enrage them and, as previously noted, they regularly rip human faces off with ease.
7. The rights, freedoms and norms set forth in this Declaration should be protected under domestic law.
8. No State, corporation, human group or individual should engage in any activity that undermines these rights, freedoms and norms.
9. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent a State from enacting stricter provisions for the protection of cetacean or great ape educational rights.
10. Nothing in this Declaration shall prevent the care or help given to struggling cetacean or great ape students.
11. No cetacean or great ape will be discriminated in institutions of learning based solely off of their sexuality.
12. Knowingly depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a derelict, and accidentally depriving Cetaceans and Great Apes of the aforementioned rights is a contravention.

Section 1
1. Establishes the Great Ape and Cetacean Education Agency (GACEA) who's duty will be determining whether or not a great ape's or cetacean's rights have been violated, and to take charge of cases involving such violations.
2. The GACEA will also be responsible for determining proper curriculum for these creatures (read: students).
3. The GACEA will report to the Ministry of the Education.
4. Establishes a cetacean-only school in central Leishaagen for the education of underprivileged cetaceans and great apes.

Acknowledgements: Thanks to Alexander Ainin for, again, very little.

Hereby passes the Cetacean and Great Ape Education Act


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Postby Mediciano » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:14 pm

I'm also writing a welfare act, so these majestic creatures can make use of the state welfare system.

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Postby New Zepuha » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:21 pm

Mediciano wrote:I'm also writing a welfare act, so these majestic creatures can make use of the state welfare system.

For the love of God no.
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Postby The National Bocialist Party » Mon Sep 16, 2013 6:23 pm

Mediciano wrote:I'm also writing a welfare act, so these majestic creatures can make use of the state welfare system.


I like it, it is suitably silly.

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Postby Kamchastkia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:44 pm

Prevention of Filibustering Act
Author: Kamchastkia (SAP) | Sponsors: | SIMBEDS Category: Senate Procedures | Urgency: Utmost


Disgusted, at the attempts of several senators to impede the democratic process established inside Aurentina

Hereby, Repeals section 4B in the First Amendment to the Republican Executive Act.

Replaces the repealed section 4B in the First Amendment to the Republican Executive Act with the following
"4b. Senators may petition the president to move SIMBED Categories, with 7 seconds, to the "category at debate", no other category may be moved up following this for the duration of debate and voting."


Condemns, the anti-democratic behaviour of several senators in awe of their blatant disrespect for the democratic process.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:47 pm

Mediciano wrote:1. Establishes the Great Ape and Cetacean Rights Enforcement Agency (GACREA) who's duty will be determining whether or not a great ape or cetacean's rights have been violated, and to take charge of cases involving such violations, and will also be in charge of aiding the genocide against these blood-thirsty motherfuckers.

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