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Postby Dragomere » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:33 pm

Anti-Fascist Act
Author: Dragomere (NASA) | Category: Safety and Order/International Relations | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

REALIZING that fascism harms the stability, unity, and democracy in the Commonwealth of Aurentina;

DECREES that the Aurentine government shall not recognize any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or head of state as legitimate.

DEFINES the following:
1. Fascist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through military force;
2. Dictatorial shall be defined as any government or head of state that has absolute power and/or hereditary rule; and
3. Extremist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through acts of violence and/or terror.

NULIFIES any law that recognizes or supports any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or leader.

ESTABLISHES a Isolationist policy, where we shall never get involved in any conflict unless Aurentina was to be directly attacked.
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Postby Senate President pro Tempore » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:35 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Anti-Fascist Act
Author: Dragomere (NASA) | Category: Safety and Order/International Relations | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

REALIZING that fascism harms the stability, unity, and democracy in the Commonwealth of Aurentina;

DECREES that the Aurentine government shall not recognize any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or head of state as legitimate.

DEFINES the following:
1. Fascist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through military force;
2. Dictatorial shall be defined as any government or head of state that has absolute power and/or hereditary rule; and
3. Extremist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through acts of violence and/or terror.

NULIFIES any law that recognizes or supports any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or leader.

ESTABLISHES a Isolationist policy, where we shall never get involved in any conflict unless Aurentina was to be directly attacked.


This law IS fascist.....
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Postby Dragomere » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:36 pm

Senate President pro Tempore wrote:
Dragomere wrote:
Anti-Fascist Act
Author: Dragomere (NASA) | Category: Safety and Order/International Relations | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

REALIZING that fascism harms the stability, unity, and democracy in the Commonwealth of Aurentina;

DECREES that the Aurentine government shall not recognize any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or head of state as legitimate.

DEFINES the following:
1. Fascist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through military force;
2. Dictatorial shall be defined as any government or head of state that has absolute power and/or hereditary rule; and
3. Extremist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through acts of violence and/or terror.

NULIFIES any law that recognizes or supports any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or leader.

ESTABLISHES a Isolationist policy, where we shall never get involved in any conflict unless Aurentina was to be directly attacked.


This law IS fascist.....

No, it does not ban an ideology, but rather it bans the recognition of governments that use it.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:41 pm

Dragomere wrote:
Anti-Fascist Act
Author: Dragomere (NASA) | Category: Safety and Order/International Relations | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

REALIZING that fascism harms the stability, unity, and democracy in the Commonwealth of Aurentina;

DECREES that the Aurentine government shall not recognize any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or head of state as legitimate.

DEFINES the following:
1. Fascist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through military force;
2. Dictatorial shall be defined as any government or head of state that has absolute power and/or hereditary rule; and
3. Extremist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through acts of violence and/or terror.

NULIFIES any law that recognizes or supports any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or leader.

ESTABLISHES a Isolationist policy, where we shall never get involved in any conflict unless Aurentina was to be directly attacked.


Haha, so according to this act we have either no fascists or everybody is a fascist. :lol2:
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Postby Dragomere » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:42 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Dragomere wrote:
Anti-Fascist Act
Author: Dragomere (NASA) | Category: Safety and Order/International Relations | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

REALIZING that fascism harms the stability, unity, and democracy in the Commonwealth of Aurentina;

DECREES that the Aurentine government shall not recognize any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or head of state as legitimate.

DEFINES the following:
1. Fascist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through military force;
2. Dictatorial shall be defined as any government or head of state that has absolute power and/or hereditary rule; and
3. Extremist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through acts of violence and/or terror.

NULIFIES any law that recognizes or supports any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or leader.

ESTABLISHES a Isolationist policy, where we shall never get involved in any conflict unless Aurentina was to be directly attacked.


Haha, so according to this act we have either no fascists or everybody is a fascist. :lol2:

???
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:49 pm

Dragomere wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Haha, so according to this act we have either no fascists or everybody is a fascist. :lol2:

???


Read your definition for fascist over again.
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Postby Dragomere » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:51 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Dragomere wrote:???


Read your definition for fascist over again.

Oh! thanks, flawed definition (from when a reworded what wiki said).
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Postby Dragomere » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:52 pm

Anti-Fascist Act
Author: Dragomere (NASA) | Category: Safety and Order/International Relations | Urgency: High | Sponsors:

REALIZING that fascism harms the stability, unity, and democracy in the Commonwealth of Aurentina;

DECREES that the Aurentine government shall not recognize any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or head of state as legitimate.

DEFINES the following:
1. Fascist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through military force and purposeful bodily harm;
2. Dictatorial shall be defined as any government or head of state that has absolute power and/or hereditary rule; and
3. Extremist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through acts of violence and/or terror.

NULIFIES any law that recognizes or supports any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or leader.

ESTABLISHES a Isolationist policy, where we shall never get involved in any conflict unless Aurentina was to be directly attacked.
Senator Draco Dragomere of the NSG Senate
DEFCON 1=Total War
DEFCON 2=Conflict
DEFCON 3=Peace Time
CURRENT LEVEL=DEFCON 2
The Great Dragomerian War
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Postby Glasgia » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:55 pm

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Postby Britanno » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:02 pm

And you will all now sponsor this amazing act that took me two minutes to write, won't you?

First Amendment to the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act

Category: Domestic Development | Urgency: Low
Author: Britanno (MCP) | Co-Sponsors: The Licentian Isles (LD), New Zepuha (Ind),

UNDERSTANDING that the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act had good intentions.

HOWEVER REALISING that Clause Twelve prevented parents from taking their children to a religious ritual, even if they didn't force the minor to participate in the ritual.

HEREBY changes the twelfth clause to:

"No parent shall force a minor to participate in a religious ritual against the minor's will."
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Postby Agritum » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:03 pm

Britanno wrote:And you will all now sponsor this amazing act that took me two minutes to write, won't you?

First Amendment to the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act

Category: Domestic Development | Urgency: Low
Author: Britanno (MCP) | Co-Sponsors: The Licentian Isles (LD), New Zepuha (Ind),

UNDERSTANDING that the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act had good intentions.

HOWEVER REALISING that Clause Twelve prevented parents from taking their children to a religious ritual, even if they didn't force the minor to participate in the ritual.

HEREBY changes the twelfth clause to:

"No parent shall force a minor to participate in a religious ritual against the minor's will."

Woo-hoo, Baptism at 18 years for every Catholic :p

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:04 pm

Britanno wrote:And you will all now sponsor this amazing act that took me two minutes to write, won't you?

First Amendment to the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act

Category: Domestic Development | Urgency: Low
Author: Britanno (MCP) | Co-Sponsors: The Licentian Isles (LD), New Zepuha (Ind),

UNDERSTANDING that the Protection of Religious Freedom for Minors Act had good intentions.

HOWEVER REALISING that Clause Twelve prevented parents from taking their children to a religious ritual, even if they didn't force the minor to participate in the ritual.

HEREBY changes the twelfth clause to:

"No parent shall force a minor to participate in a religious ritual against the minor's will."


This is the most amazing and detailed bill I have ever seen. I shall sponsor.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:06 pm

Agritum wrote:Woo-hoo, Baptism at 18 years for every Catholic :p


You do realise that this act actually makes the law less strict?

Anyway, I've never been a fan of the idea of Baptism, nor the Catholic Church for that matter. There are just too many homophobic people in charge.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:07 pm

Britanno wrote:And you will all now sponsor this amazing act that took me two minutes to write, won't you?


Probably not, since most Senators don't see why parents should be permitted to force their children to travel to a place of worship against the child's will where the child would then be subject to severe social pressure to conform.
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Postby Ainin » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:08 pm

Dragomere wrote:1. Fascist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through military force and purposeful bodily harm;
That is an awful definition of fascism.

2. Dictatorial shall be defined as any government or head of state that has absolute power and/or hereditary rule; and
Because of the "or" in this clause, we'd recognize the United Kingdom as a dictatorship.

3. Extremist shall be defined as any government or head of state that oppresses its people through acts of violence and/or terror.
Then that's a lot of extremist world leaders.

NULIFIES any law that recognizes or supports any fascist, dictatorial, or extremist government or leader.
We don't have any, so this act is pretty much worthless

ESTABLISHES a Isolationist policy, where we shall never get involved in any conflict unless Aurentina was to be directly attacked.
That's not isolationism, it's noninterventionism.
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Postby Britanno » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:10 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Britanno wrote:And you will all now sponsor this amazing act that took me two minutes to write, won't you?


Probably not, since most Senators don't see why parents should be permitted to force their children to travel to a place of worship against the child's will where the child would then be subject to severe social pressure to conform.


Yes, let's force parents into making a decision between either spending money on childcare, which an be expensive, leaving their child home alone or not going to worship at all.

I don't support forcing minors to take part, but forcing them to go is no different to forcing them to go to the shops.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:13 pm

Britanno wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Probably not, since most Senators don't see why parents should be permitted to force their children to travel to a place of worship against the child's will where the child would then be subject to severe social pressure to conform.


Yes, let's force parents into making a decision between either spending money on childcare, which an be expensive, leaving their child home alone or not going to worship at all.

I don't support forcing minors to take part, but forcing them to go is no different to forcing them to go to the shops.


Except that at the shops they (and their parents) will not be shot dirty looks for not following along with the ritual?

Also the expense of child care can be easily solved with a national child care strategy, which would have the collateral benefit of helping underprivileged families who might need someone to watch the children while the parent(s) work.

Win-win.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:16 pm

Britanno wrote:
Agritum wrote:Woo-hoo, Baptism at 18 years for every Catholic :p


You do realise that this act actually makes the law less strict?

Anyway, I've never been a fan of the idea of Baptism, nor the Catholic Church for that matter. There are just too many homophobic people in charge.


Really? I always thought they enjoyed the odd soft buttocked choirboy from time to time?
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Postby Britanno » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:17 pm

Oneracon wrote:Except that at the shops they (and their parents) will not be shot dirty looks for not following along with the ritual?


As someone who refused to worship at a Church because I was dragged there by my father, I can say that this doesn't happen. I also do not think this a problem for many people.

Also the expense of child care can be easily solved with a national child care strategy, which would have the collateral benefit of helping underprivileged families who might need someone to watch the children while the parent(s) work.

Win-win.


Is there a bill in the queue about this? I could've sworn there was. If not, surely one should be written by those defending the current bill?
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:24 pm

The Religious Freedom for Minors Act has essentially eliminated all Greek and Christian immigration.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:26 pm

Gothmogs wrote:The Religious Freedom for Minors Act has essentially eliminated all Greek and Christian immigration.


[Citation needed]
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:30 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:The Religious Freedom for Minors Act has essentially eliminated all Greek and Christian immigration.


[Citation needed]

Well considering around 97% of Greeks belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, and the bill bans baptism, and the fact that Greek children are not even named until their baptism...
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:32 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
[Citation needed]

Well considering around 97% of Greeks belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, and the bill bans baptism, and the fact that Greek children are not even named until their baptism...


Show me where the Act bans baptism.

As much as I personally oppose the concept of childhood baptism, there is nothing in the law that bans it.
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Postby Gothmogs » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:35 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:Well considering around 97% of Greeks belong to the Greek Orthodox Church, and the bill bans baptism, and the fact that Greek children are not even named until their baptism...


Show me where the Act bans baptism.

As much as I personally oppose the concept of childhood baptism, there is nothing in the law that bans it.

I am not a big fan of it either, but it is a very important concept in Christianity.

12. No parent shall force a minor to attend religious services or participate in religious rituals against their will.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:36 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Show me where the Act bans baptism.

As much as I personally oppose the concept of childhood baptism, there is nothing in the law that bans it.

I am not a big fan of it either, but it is a very important concept in Christianity.

12. No parent shall force a minor to attend religious services or participate in religious rituals against their will.


Since an infant would not communicate that it is against their will to be bathed in the water and/or oil... I don't see an issue.
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